| Author | Message | ||
     Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 236 Registered: 09-2002 |
I am now wanting to make a winch purchase and wanted to get recommendations. Like which brand, what size should i get, which models, I have looked at Warns and Milemarkers, not sure what makes one worth so much more than the other. Also is there a limit due to the bumper, such as ARB or would I have to go custom, Also is bigger better ie the 12000 over the 9000 or is it overkill, thanks. | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2002 |
If you look at elec winches, the biggest differance btwn warn and mile marker is the pull rating, the warn pulls much more per drum wrap compared to the mm, i have an 8k winch on the D1 and there have been several times that i have had to run the line through a snatch block to pull myself out, i am now ordering a warn m12ooo winch, tired of running out of line and needing to use a strap to extend back to myself, so go big and dont stall that 8-9k winch out too much or you might let out the majic smoke!!! Look up www.gowarn.com, and see what you can find! and i believe that most winch bumpers will hold the warn 12k, they do however weigh 135 lbs, so if you have stock springs you may want some OMEs or something! you may want to look at rovertym's slimline blade! a great bumper if you like the look! click on my name, and a pic of the ole truck with slimline. Peter | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
Personally, I am not too fond of electric winches. I had a HD9000i warn and smoked it twice. Very costly moters too. I now have a MM9000. I really like the hydraulic idea. They are great for long pulls. The only problem is that you need to run the motor in order for them to run. However with an elec winch, you won't be able to winch very long with the engine off anyway. One problem with the MM on a disco is that the stock pump does not produce enough psi for it to work up to its potential. This is fairly easy to fix. About $400 with a new pump, relief valve and some plumbing and it operates like a 12000 lb winch. So far the MM has been very reliable for me. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 744 Registered: 02-2002 |
Steve The D2 PS pump IS up to rated pressure of 1500psi, unlike the D1. Dean | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1520 Registered: 04-2002 |
Dean, do you happen to know about the ACE pump? Just thinking down the road when I remove ACE and if I move out of the electric winch. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 746 Registered: 02-2002 |
Al, no I don't know any more than what steve wrote. Kinda shame to loose the ACE though. I heard theres an electric/hydraulic winch (I think MM but not sure, ask Peter Blatt) which means you get the hydraulics running from a motor powered by an alternator/generator, but you can fall back on the battery if you stall. This way the electrics are not exposed and it may work well when submersed. On the D2 so far I am delighted with the (PAS) MM, power aplenty (I have the 12K), and although its VERY slow it sure beats digging! And a small bonus is that its almost silent. Dean | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Guys, the problem (if you can call it that) is the GPM is very low off the PS pump, meaning the winch has a VERY SLOW line speed (right Dean). As for running a separate 12 volt pump (hydraulic power unit) to drive a MM, the duty cycle for most small units is about 1 minute and the GPM ranges from 1.2 to 1.8 GPM. So you can get the PSI you need (pulling power) but the line speed would be incredible slow, (slower than yours Dean). AND, you can't run the pump for longer than a minute without letting it COOL for 3 to 5 minutes. I'm having a bracket made for a AGR power steering pump (3.5GPM, 1500PSI) to mount it where the ACE pump lives...Right now I have a ACE pump (with a pressure relief valve) to drive winch, the PSI is a little low (1200PSI at 2500rpm) but GPM is about 2.2GPM at that rpm. The problem with this set-up is I have to rev the motor... | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 790 Registered: 02-2003 |
worm drive ramsey RE12000 and forgetabout it. | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 221 Registered: 11-2002 |
I have a Warn 12000 and it works. I haven't had any trouble and it can pull me out of anything. It is very reliable and I've never needed to use a snatch block for self recovery (although a snatch block is still needed for other tasks). On the other hand, I have seen a brand new Warn 8000 seize up after only 45 seconds of use. Max T. I suck at wheelin' so my winch gets used! | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 254 Registered: 02-2002 |
While I have the MM, if I were to do it over again I'd probably get the RE12000. Its got a strong gearbox and should be geared so it can be run for a while without overheating. Setting up the MM correctly has been a pain in the rear. After sourcing all of the various fittings and new hoses, pump and relief valve, the job wasn't finished. It turned out that pressure setting on the relief valve was set too low. At low speeds the steering was awful, there wasn't enough pressure to even turn the wheel when the car wasn't in park. I've messed around with the relief valve to get the steering problems sorted out, but now the concern is that the relief valve could be set too high and might blow out the already weak steering box. Now I've got to get to the mud to see how this thing pulls. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2003 |
Mike,D1 or D2? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 255 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sorry, D1. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'm pretty sure that both the D1 and D2 power steering systems are only rated to 900psi. You need to watch to make sure that you blow out the seals on the steering box... cheers frank | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 256 Registered: 02-2002 |
The internal relief in the stock pump is set at 1100psi. "You need to watch to make sure that you blow out the seals on the steering box..." Are you advocating blowing out the box? Just kidding! | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2003 |
i thought i read that it was 900psi, but that would be for a d2, not sure and i don't have a shop manual with me...they'll probably start leaking now anyways... cheers | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 257 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm confused as well, Dean mentioned above that the D2 pump is rated at 1500 psi. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 750 Registered: 02-2002 |
The shop manual for the D2 states it should achieve 1500 psi at idle. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 92 Registered: 02-2003 |
Really, maybe I was looking at the wrong thing...what's the gpm? frank | ||
| Brent (Silly_me) Member Username: Silly_me Post Number: 59 Registered: 07-2003 |
I have a question, there is an article I read on a UK 3.5 petrol V8 discovery that the owner runs his hydruallic winch pump off of the gearbox power take-off shaft. It's a manual trans truck, so I'm not sure if the US spec manuals or autos have such a thing....just a thought. BTW, it's says he's running a relief valve and his system is pumping 250bar. | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 972 Registered: 02-2002 |
250 bar = 3750 psi- that's getting up there. I didn't think the MM hydraulic motors were rated to that pressure. Yes, you could run a hydraulic pump off the PTO on the Tcase -lots of money to do so though  Bill | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2003 |
MM tech support will tell that the winch is rated to 1800psi...Bill's right, it's $$$$ for the t-case pto system... cheers | ||
| Sandy Grice (Apg) New Member Username: Apg Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2003 |
I also investigated the PTO route...I've seen PTOs listed in Craddock's and other adverts in UK LR mags...*supposedly* the bolt circle diameter on the LT-230 t-case is the same as on Series vehicles. The chief problem I see with the PTO route is you lose the PTO and winch when you step on the clutch. There are times I want to have the winch moving but not the wheels.... Northern Hydraulics and other such handyman stores have a separate, belt-driven, 4 GPM, 2,000+ psi pump for just over a c-note. Of course, you have the whole plumbing issue plus another belt to deal with. Still haven't gotten around to installing the MM E12000...maybe this weekend.... | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 259 Registered: 02-2002 |
From what I understand, the way that the PTO system is operated is that you have the transmission in gear, and the transfer case in neutral. Michel Findlay has this system & posts occasionally. His system pulls well enough to rip the winch out of the winch tray. |
