| Author | Message | ||
     Pedro (Discoverys) New Member Username: Discoverys Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2003 |
Hello, I am thinking of getting the ARB Safari, it looks great. But besides that it will provide cooler air to the engine. Will it void the warranty? I have owned "ram air" systems in my previous cars but they did not voided the warranty, but to install the snorkel the panel needs to be drilled I was wondering about that. http://www.4by4connection.com/landrover3.html Thanks | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 976 Registered: 08-2002 |
Pedro, that should not affect your warranty at all. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 194 Registered: 05-2003 |
Pedro, Greg is correct. I asked my dealership that same question. According to them, having the snorkel won't hurt anything else either. The panel does need to be drilled. My dealership will do the install at their body shop. Good Luck!! | ||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Senior Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 293 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jamie, How much does it cost for them to install it? I asked the local dealership and they said they've never done it before, and i would have to bring the snorkel and directions out there to see how much "labor" they need to charge. $85 bucks an hour? WTF? Unless it's cheaper than $100.00 total for installation they can kiss my ass. | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) New Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 30 Registered: 06-2003 |
You will need to purchase or find 86mm hole saw. If you have a Dremel tool with various cutting and sanding bits, this should make quick work of the filter-box alterations. The instructions said 2 hours for install. Well unless you have experieince with pulling your front fender off, then you should at least give yourself the entire day to accomplish this install. I found most of my time was spent on the filter box and fitting adjustments in the engine-bay. TIP+ Before you assemble the fender use silicone to mount the hoseclamp so once the fender is back on you can use a long extension to reach the tighten the clamp by popping out the wrap_around blinker> BTW, when they give measurements, do not approximate else you will be sorry. The hardest part of the install is cutting the big-ass hole hoping you have the template on the fender in the right spot. I took a few deep breaths... Good luck. Bruce | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 197 Registered: 05-2003 |
Garrett, They want $500 + tax JUST FOR the install. Unless they drop the price way lower, snorkles just going to have to be content hanging out in my garage -- that's just way TOO MUCH for install. Hmmm... that is interesting -- my cheapy drill has a hole saw attachment. I wonder... Wait a minute -- is that last post from Bruce in Tampa?? Bruce, how much would you charge me for install? I will help you too!! Jamie | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) New Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2003 |
Jamie, Yes it’s the Bruce in Lutz. I would not dream of charging someone to help them with their rig. Time is my precious commodity and I have too many hobbies that conflict with family so I must say sorry, but I simply don’t have the time. Now Mike Bauer however… hmmm, he loves to tinker hee hee, but of course you already know that. If you are going to have it installed by a shop, do yourself a favor an hunt around before going to the dealer. Looks like the dealer is estimating close to 6-hours for the job. Good luck. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 734 Registered: 03-2002 |
I was just looking through my records. On the workorder after I had my truck in for the 4th time for the AT problem, there was a note at the bottom:
I had never noticed this until today. | ||
| Pedro (Discoverys) New Member Username: Discoverys Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2003 |
Michael, What kind of problems did you had? Pedro | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 735 Registered: 03-2002 |
Sorry, don't get me wrong, if you want/need the snorkel, go for it. I had a big BS situation regarding my AT, essentially I knew something was wrong with it, I played their game for over nine months (still under warranty) and in the end, they wouldn't stand by the warranty. First it was my tires, then the lift, then "it's just normal", then the MAF, then the CDL and on an on. My only real point was that LRNA/SM were going to use any excuse to get out the thing. | ||
| Pedro (Discoverys) New Member Username: Discoverys Post Number: 20 Registered: 08-2003 |
Dude sorry to see that. I thought that the snorkel was installed wrong and air entered after the MAF sensor and they gave you a lame excuse to void you the warranty and not fix the AT. | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 736 Registered: 03-2002 |
Naw, well, not sure if you have a D1 or D2, but on the D2, there is no modification from the fender forward (airbox, etc) for the Safari Snorkel. My guess is that they were going to say that the silicon I used (sensor safe BTW) ruined the MAF which in turn ruined my AT.  | ||
| Pedro (Discoverys) New Member Username: Discoverys Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2003 |
I have a '03 Discovery. I'm no mechanic, but the only way that the AT could be ruined is if the MAF has a sensor connected to the AT. But way before that you will feel the gas mixture problem. i.e.. engine stumbling, poor acceleration. It happened to me with my previous car, one of the hoses had a "dime" size cut and the engine gave me those problems. Good luck with your problem, I think that they just wanted to BS you. I went to my dealership yesterday and they told me that the snorkel will not void the warranty. Pedro | ||
| Alan Greening (Alan_g) Member Username: Alan_g Post Number: 50 Registered: 04-2003 |
I was told by the people I bought my Safari Snorkel from (Scorpion Racing) that it took about four hors to fit "providing you are quite handy". It took about three hors in total, although I must have spent about an hour of that sodding about with the stupid plastic rivets and rusty bolt that holds the plastic wheel arch liner in. It was straightforward, and I cut the big hole in the wing by drilling a load of small holes and filing it back. The kit came with all the bits you need and the instructions and the template to cut the holes were spot on. | ||
| R. Shane Linder (Shane_l) New Member Username: Shane_l Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2003 |
I agree that two hours is not enough time. For $500 you can buy all the tools you need for the install and still have enough left over to buy a second snorkel. As has been pointed out, you will take a few deep breaths before you start cutting away at your truck. A grinding wheel is a big help for the modifications to the air filter box. We did not remove the front quarter panel for the job either. Could not see any reason to do so. We did it in about three hours with two mechanics and me translating the instructions from English to Spanish for the mechanics. BTW, "LHS" is Left Hand Side. This had me baffeled for about 15 minutes. Also, buy a tube of black silicone and run a bead along where the snorkel runs along the body. This keeps out water and other garbage. -Shane | ||
| Chris Urquieta (Curquieta) New Member Username: Curquieta Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2002 |
We installed mine in two hours. Just make sure the template is exactly right and you use O2 Sensor approved silicone. We used a 2 inch hole saw and filed the rest out--no big deal. The only drawback I've seen is the mounting plate started to rust undxerneatht the paint on the support bracket mounted to the pillar. | ||
| Bill Mallin (Billmallin) New Member Username: Billmallin Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2003 |
Ho added the directions I put together for the installation of a Safari Snorkel under the Tech area today. Hopefully you'll be able to add your own snorkel without having to fork out huge coin for someone else to do it. Please send all of the money you save directly to me! -- Bill Mallin 2001 Disco II AKA “Sherman” Web Dood – Houston Land Rover Club http://www.houstonlandroverclub.com | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) New Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2003 |
I have a 97-D1 and there is no way to fasten the nuts of the exterior snorkel-body onto the backside of the fender unless the fender is removed. Removing the plastic wheelwell liner does not permit access. So for the kit that works on 97, fender removal is the only option. Could I be missing something here that would have saved me x-hours of the install? | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 1045 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bruce - all the mounting nuts are acessable once you remove the fender liner on a D1. I don't remember it being any big deal at all to do it. Certainly no fender removal is necessary Bill | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 541 Registered: 08-2002 |
Chris, Where would one find "O2 Sensor approved Silicone." Is there a brand name? Autozone? Thanks......got my CDL handle Monday! | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) New Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2003 |
I feel a little sheeeepish now! I guess I had it in my mind to remove that damn fender and when I dropped the fender linning, I did not even look for access... Well I have to say cutting that hole into engine bay and repositioning the bonnet-switch was a sinch with the fender-off. Also, now I am an expert at fender removal... FWIW, which is good as spit! Oh well, when you are dumb, gotta be tough! After that install, I am damn tough! LOL |
