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     Dave Van Haren (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 49 Registered: 05-2003 |
I've got new Brembo front rotors and Ferrado pads coming from Nathan, The rears went on last month without much drama. can I expect the same for the fronts? Any hints are, as always, greatly appreciated. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 326 Registered: 08-2002 |
same thing (well vented) only the other end of the truck...a one beer project | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 374 Registered: 04-2003 |
only one beer? what's your hurry? | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 51 Registered: 05-2003 |
most of my jobs are a two yeungling minimum. thanx. | ||||||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) New Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2003 |
Changing the pads is very easy. Check out Expedition exchange, they have it in their tech section. Basically unbolt the caliper, take out the old pads, compress the pistons with a C clamp then reassemble with new pads in. How much beer depends on whether or not your going to test drive it when its done. | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 523 Registered: 02-2002 |
If you installed rear rotors without incident, you can expect the same for the front rotors. I suppose you probably already know this, but if the fixing-screws for the rotors are stuck, you can use an impact driver with a #4 posi-drive bit to loosen the fixing-screw. | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 52 Registered: 05-2003 |
Yeah, Koby learned this on the rears. Left side hit it with the air wrench...bam turned right out! Went to the right side causually hit the retainer screw and...bam...stripped the head round! After some cussing and a few goes with the Dremel tool out it came. There's a moral to this story..but ... | ||||||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1356 Registered: 04-2002 |
I called the dealer on the issue of removing the retaining screw when I changed my rear rotors. They suggested a chisel and a hammer. I couldn't get them to budge with a screwdriver, but a center puch chisel and a 3lb sledge broke the screws loose with one well placed hit. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 416 Registered: 03-2003 |
Are you guys shitting me? You used an air ratchet or, even worse, an impact wrench on the brake set screw? And what's this chisel and hammer business? God damn. Do you guys also mix and match Posidriv and Phillips and use your wrenches as hammers? Here's the shit you need for that set screw: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06587.jpg That's a dedicated Posidrive No. 4 socket. Unlike a No. 4 Phillips, the Posidrive No. 4 fits the brake set screw perfectly. This is no surprise at all because the brake set screw is a Posidrive screw and not a Phillips. Here's an impact driver: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06601.jpg And here's the No. 4 Posidrive on the impact driver: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06603.jpg Simply place the impact driver on the set screw, turn it to the "off" setting, and then give it a tap with a hammer. The impact driver will turn the screw screw open while driving the positive bit fully home into the set screw. Cam-out is far less of a problem with an impact driver because the bit is being driven forward while it's being rotated. You might not even need the impact driver at all. If you have the No. 4 Posidrive bit, you can generate tremendous amounts of torque using a 3/8" nut driver or palm ratchet. | ||||||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1358 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well, in my situation, I didn't have an impact driver, nor a posidrive #4. The dealer first said to use a posidrive bit/screw driver, but I was in a pinch and unable to get my hands on one. The center punch chisel and hammer work. To break the corrosion that is holding the screw in place, you can take the center punch chisel and put it at the outermost extreme of the screw. Then, with the hammer, you can get the screw to turn enough to break the corrosion loose. In a bind, it works. If I had had the time, or luxury of a second car, I would have ordered or gone searching for the posidrive, but alas I had to make do. | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 54 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ah, crud! I've got one of those! Never even thought of using it! It's a natural reaction to reach for the damn impact wrench everytime I can't turn it by hand. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 327 Registered: 08-2002 |
I have the same set up as John Lee only it says Craftsmen on it. Lets not degrade into the tool envy thread of below. The one beer thingy...well I do have all these fancy (ok not super fancy) air tools and floor jack....it doesn't take long to get it up and things off both sides. Few slugs o' suds and everything is back on. Probably a shade over 1/2 hour including consumption. And the Mrs...thinks it's a couple o' beers operation ;) | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 526 Registered: 02-2002 |
Todd, Your point is? We all wish we could have Snap-on. It's those who keep mentioning what alternative brands they own that have the worst Snap-on envy. If your Craftsman works, then simply say your Craftsman impact driver works, don't mention "John Lee this ..." or "Lets not degrade into the tool envy thread ..." Otherwise you're simply inviting a tool envy conversation. LOL | ||||||
| peter nova (Peter) New Member Username: Peter Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2003 |
all I want to know is where did you get the brembos from. | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 55 Registered: 05-2003 |
Call and talk to Nathan, http://www.discountrovers.com/ The rears where very nice, if theres such a thing as nice rotors..Brembo is it. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 329 Registered: 08-2002 |
"Your point is? We all wish we could have Snap-on." No not really Koby...can we just leave it at that. peter, the first set i got from thepartsbin.com of all places, the second set from www.xks.com. | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 529 Registered: 02-2002 |
Peter, You're kidding, right? Wishing is not reality. I can wish all I want, but I can't come up with the cash for a badass KRL chest fully stocked with Snap-On tools like John has. I do still however, wish like crazy I could have a full Snap-On tool set. If you can honestly say that you WISH you could have Craftsman over Snap-on, then you're a cheap bastard to the core. Otherwise, you're just a liar. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 330 Registered: 08-2002 |
Koby it appears you're just another needle dick. If you want me to loan you the money so you can buy Snap On tools that are now doubt far exceed your abilities ...give me a call. IIRC..."wish" twas your terminology. But I suppose you can't figure that out either. Damn , I swore I would not get sucked in by a needle dick. | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 531 Registered: 02-2002 |
So, you are telling me that if you had the financial wherewithal to afford any tool you wanted, you would not want your tool set to be comprised of Snap-On tools? You obviously must not, since you write this: "No not really Koby...can we just leave it at that. " That is a fucking lie. Who wouldn't wish to own the best tool available? You obviously have recalled incorrectly, so suck it up. | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 532 Registered: 02-2002 |
Also todd I never asked for any monetary handouts so I could buy Snap-On tools, you dumb fuck. I'm not Phillip Perkinson. What you can't figure out is that nobody here is bashing your Craftsman impact driver. For crying out loud, it's the same tool I own. You're just thumping your chest because your pride was hurt due to a perceived slight at your tools. The third thing that's cracking me up is that you were the one that dragged brand names into this thread in the first place, then you say you don't want to get into a brand envy thread. Then you claim you don't wish you had Snap-on tools? Whatever man, you're lost and a liar. | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 466 Registered: 04-2001 |
John I have seen that little tool of yours strip plenty of screws. If you do it enough you will need to resort to the chisel/hammer method so you ought to just start out that way. Ron | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 429 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yeah, Ron, your comment means a lot coming from a guy who has multiple Rovers, not a single one of which is running and every one of which is FUBAR'd. And it means a lot coming from a guy whose usual solution to a problem is just to beat on it with a hammer. You're a hack. You always were a hack and you always will be a hack. These impact driver fuck-up's? Who was doing the work? You? BTW, how is law school? | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 331 Registered: 08-2002 |
Koby, So what you're telling me is that you're a needle dick with your head shoved so far up your ass that you can't find either with both hands. No...what I am telling you is this...I do have the financial wherewithal and I,.. read carefully here, choose not to use the financial wherewithal to purchase Snap On, Matco or MAC tools. Do I own some...yes these guys are the only ones that carry some of the specialty tools...that I have needed. Repeat needed. Do they comprise a majority of whats in the box...not even close. So Koby while your speaking for everyone else...leave me out as I truly do not wish to own the best tools availible. I am perfectly happy owning tools which merely get the job done...fulfill their designed purpose. Ain't it great. Re: also me I was merely offering to help you achieve your stated goal of Snap On ownership...I know I can't tell you anything...you're too ignorant. Bashing craftsman or not bashing craftsman...either way I don't really care. I have no pride and thumping my chest hurts me...I am just a big pussy. Wrong again...first brand name post (non rotor manufacturer) was by John Lee. And yes, I really didn't want this to head south that is why I said nothing positive or negative about tools or John Lee. I was merely providing a viable alternative to hunting down a Snap On truck. The remainder...go to top of my post and repeat as necessary. Should you desire to quit ASSuming (difficult I know) ...my .02 on this little tooltime discussion. Snap On is great stuff, if I were a professional wrench turner (like some...but very few on this board) it is a no brainer...they drive up to your shop and provide unparalleled service. For the weekend warrior...obviously Snap On will get the job done....so will Craftsmen. Sears hardware...5 mins down the street....Snap On truck and guy on Saturday afternoon... | ||||||
| Kobayashi (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 536 Registered: 02-2002 |
"I was merely offering to help you achieve your stated goal of Snap On ownership..."  Read John's post again, todd. Show me where he says "Snap-On" once in his thread. He posts some pictures of tools that happen to be Snap-On, but do you see him extolling the virtues of Snap-On in his post? Not in the least. It's obvious that you will never change my mind. You're too much of a cheap fuck to even think about wanting the best. To be honest with you, I expected more from a 45-year-old than being called a needledick and being told blatant lies. For a while there I thought I was dealing with Corey Shuman... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 399 Registered: 04-2003 |
damn, this is some funny shit Todd, are you saying you pop one axle's rotors off & on in only 1/2 hour? or are you talking about pads? | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 332 Registered: 08-2002 |
Blue...glad to help keeping things amusing...but as Corey...I mean Koby has so deftly ascertained I am 45 and being such a "cheap fuck" although I'd prefer just a lazy fuck...I grow weary easily. As far as your timing question...I believe the last time I did the rotor and pad shuffle on the D2 and had the wheels back on the ground in a little over 1/2 hr. Koby, http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06587.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06601.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/snap-on/DSC06603.jpg Think of it as a word jumble...can you find snap on in any of the above taken directly from John Lee's post. Hopefully, seven years of college weren't wasted. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 431 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Wrong again...first brand name post (non rotor manufacturer) was by John Lee. And yes, I really didn't want this to head south that is why I said nothing positive or negative about tools or John Lee." Todd, my post was a brand name post? Maybe you saw it that way, but it wasn't. In fact, I never even mentioned Snap-on, Craftsman, etc. I merely showed pics of a dedicated Posidriv socket, an impact driver, and the two together. In fact, the only brand name I mentioned in my post was "Posidriv". You're the one who started all of this by mentioning "Craftsmen" [sic] and "tool envy". | ||||||
| One_Bad_Needledick (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 539 Registered: 02-2002 |
Todd, You are showing me photos of tools, just as John did. No more, no less. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 400 Registered: 04-2003 |
I'm diggin that posidrive & impact driver action. While it's not nearly as elegant as a chisel & hammer, it sure is nice.* *Legal Disclaimer: the opinions expressed above do not necessarily reflect the opinions of DiscoWeb. Nor are the opinions expressed above intended to be construed as an endorsement of any particular product. Void where prohibited by law. OAC. Some assembly required, your parents put it together. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 333 Registered: 08-2002 |
John Lee, Initially, I think that I had just scrolled up to this post after reading some of the nonsense in the Tool Thread...and no I couldn't get through all of what was written and said there...and my intent was not to repeat some or any of that here. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 334 Registered: 08-2002 |
Koby...I like the name change. Blue.. ROTFLMAO | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 432 Registered: 03-2003 |
Todd, You might hook up with Mark Reeves. You two would get along famously. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 336 Registered: 08-2002 |
Sorry, don't know the person. | ||||||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1366 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well, as I introduced the hammer/chisel comment to this thread, and I've had enough beer to get on here and spit into the wind, I still stand by the fact that in a pinch, the center punch chisel and a hammer helped me to get the rotors changed. If you live in an apartment, have limited work space, have only one vehicle and don't have a posidrive and impact wrench handy, you sometimes have to make do. While I realize the hammer/chisel are not the preferred method of attack, they do work if it's all you have on hand and you want to get the job done. Not saying it's better than having the correct tool, but I am saying that you can't always discount something if it works. I like nice things. I love nice tools, good cigars, nice cars, etc, etc, etc, but sometimes you just have to go with what works from the things you have on hand. Hopefully that makes me a realist and not a cheap fuck................ | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 434 Registered: 03-2003 |
I think that ideas have gotten crossed in all the flaming on this thread. Todd, for example, perceives tool slamming or tool snobbery when it isn't even there. Greg, using a hammer an chisel on a tight Posidriv screw makes you a philistine, not a cheap fuck. There's a difference. You could use the most high-dollar hammer and chisel in the world on that tight Posidriv screw, but you would still be a philistine. Nobody even mentioned being a cheap fuck until Todd and Craig started going off on a tangent after Todd started imagining things. There are situations where you have to make do with what you have, but I don't see how changing rotors is one of them. If you remove the first wheel and see a Posidriv screw there that you can't get undone, then it's a simple matter to put the wheel back on and then drive to the local Sears to buy the correct tool. If your truck were on axle stands with the drivetrain torn apart, or if you were in the field and absolutely had to remove the rotor to get home, it might be a different story. In those situations, improvising something like grinding a Phillips bit to match the countour of a Posidriv bit would be being a realist. But changing the rotors in your driveway is hardly a pinch. I think this situation calls for a drive to the local Sears. A Craftsman impact driver is something like $25 I think, and the No. 4 Posidriv bit can't cost that much. Probably only a few bucks. And I think Ron Brown disagrees with both of us. In his opinion, the hammer and chisel are the better way to go, even if you have the impact driver and the correct bit for the screw. Just out of curiosity, is Ron the one at the "dealer" who advocated the use of the hammer and chisel? LOL. | ||||||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1368 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well, I was in a pinch because I was trying to get the parts installed in order to make a rover trip. I had about 1-hour to get them installed, and still make the drive to go on the trip, which was a 4-hour drive. Needless to say, I didn't make the drive. I did get the parts installed, and saved around $700 over what the local dealer in Naples, FL, quoted me for the same job of rear rotors and pads............ No comment on which dealer suggested the hammer/chisel, but I will say that the dealer, while maybe unorthodox in their opinions have always done a good job for me. I agree, it pays to have the tools for the job, and I'm not advocating my make shift maneuver in lieu of correct tools, but sometimes you just can't get what you need when you need it. I should have forgone the attempt at the trip, and sought out the correct tool, but I gave it my best effort to make the outing. | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 62 Registered: 05-2003 |
for what its worth to this flame fest. I used my hand held impact wrench and posidrive on the front rotors today, and I have to say it worked quite well, better than the air wrench. so having the right tool does make a job easier and I can only thank John Lee for making that early post on this thread, even if he was slamm'in me for using the air wrench....flame on... | ||||||
| James P Groom (Jpg) New Member Username: Jpg Post Number: 28 Registered: 06-2003 |
Dave Are the Brembo's drilled? How do they work so far? | ||||||
| Dave (Plain2000dii) Member Username: Plain2000dii Post Number: 65 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jpg, don't know. Nathan didn't send me Brembos, so we'll see what happens with these. | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 337 Registered: 08-2002 |
My Oh My...oh pray tell where in it is written that I started to imagine things there Johnny Boy...do you have the same literacy disorder as your butt buddy Koby ??? | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 338 Registered: 08-2002 |
And just since you've proven yourself to be a needle dick also...Posidriv (Posidriv(TM))is more than a brand...it is a trademark...which carries a little different meaning and weight versus what you and your needle dick friend mean when you speak of the ever popular Madison Ave brand name crap that you are so smitten with. | ||||||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 117 Registered: 10-2002 |
 "Madison Ave brand name crap" Damn Todd, way to stir the pot! LOL John and Koby, you both talk the BIG talk about tools, but neither of you can afford 100% Snap-On. Todd has indicated his CHOICE to not buy it even though he has the money, and you're crestfallen. This would be a great time to bow out of the thread, as you're starting to sound silly. [donning my Nomex™ BVD's]  | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 435 Registered: 03-2003 |
Isn't this thread remarkably similar to this one: ../27/30089.html"#444444"> | todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 339 Registered: 08-2002 |
Johnny boy... keep taking pics of your tools and posting them...you have truly become what you desire...a tool. | ||||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2003 |
So I am a cheap fuck for buying the TT from someone other than you. But you said this in the other thread: "No kernel of CB bashing intended." LOL, it really does not matter to me. I still don't see why you call others Cheap fucks. If this person had a business that used tools on a day to day basis, Snap-on, or Mac would be the only way to go. For the adverage person, spending that hard earned cash on tools is really not feasible. I would love to have a set of Snap-on stuff, but it is not worth it to me, as a "shade tree wrench turner" to buy them. I don't think that makes me, or 85% of the other people here a cheap fuck. Sure snap-on is one of the best, if not the best, but you can't bash someone for not having the cash to throw around on something like tools. Paying to keep a LR in running condition cost enough. Throw in some kids and a wife and your pay check is shot to hell. | ||||||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2002 |
now come on todd, back off john a little bit. having a sense of pride in ones things or being "over-informed" isn't all bad. and how many times have you surfed johns "over-informed" site and found very useful information that you then used. whether it be rovers, watches or tools, john seems to appreciate nice things and shouldn't be flammed for it. not that john needs any support, but this is an open forum. take the criticism like a man. and john, how are we suppose to take you seriously with that hobbist KRL761. i would have assumed that man of your stature and taste would be sportin' the 7000. let's face all "real" mechanics have "really big" boxes or is my shop the only one with penis/box envy mechanics. marc | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 468 Registered: 04-2001 |
John, Law school is fine. Only been in classes for a week. Getting a 4.0 will be a challenge. Met some nice people. I just wanted to say that the impact driver even in the most capable hands will strip the threads frequently and thus WHEN THIS HAPPENS you should be ready with a chisel and hammer which always works. The screws seem not to be hardened and are always corroded in. Also, most places do not replace the screws every time so if its had its rotors off once or more you may need to chisel as the previous hacks likely took my method. Whatever you do if you want them to come out easier you can coat them in antisieze when they go back in. Of course this ease of removal has to be balanced against the possibility of them loosening but that is up to the individual user. Like the cheap bastard title, I kinda like the title hack. You can have all the snap on crap in the world but if you do not have a feel of how to use a tool it is almost useless. Ron PS 5 of 8 are running | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 436 Registered: 03-2003 |
Will, I wasn't even talking about you; I was talking about Shawn McKenzie. You're not a cheap fuck; you're a stupid fuck. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 158 Registered: 11-2002 |
"john, how are we suppose to take you seriously with that hobbist KRL761." LOL...If John were working on more than just Rovers a statement like this would be valid. Marc if you were to buy a "hobbist" craftsman box and you quickly out-grew it, could you take it back to sears and trade up? "You can have all the snap on crap in the world but if you do not have a feel of how to use a tool it is almost useless." You could have all the craftsman crap in the world and still find that even if you did know how to use the tools you would require some of the items Snap-on manufactures. | ||||||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2002 |
easy Ron, no flamin' here, just a little "my tool box is bigger than yours" sarcasism. and you right a fleet mechanics does require more than one who installs rover accessories (no offense John). any tool truck will gladly upgrade a "craftsman" box, that's why we give them our business. besides wasn't this thread about brakes. marc | ||||||
| Hans Poppe (Hgpoppe) New Member Username: Hgpoppe Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2003 |
Daddy always said, "buy what you need...don't buy what you don't." He still owns a 1981 Dodge St.Regis, it's never seen the shop and never seen a tool Daddy didn't need. Take it for what it's worth... | ||||||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2002 |
John Lee, I am astonished that you would mention Will's TT thread. I thought you would have known better. For anyone who missed it, this was the punchline after John bitched like a little girl (as usual): No one can get your goat if you don't tell them where you keep it. You run a daily full-page ad with a 10 figure grid reference! For a guy of your background and obvious writing skills, (nice website) you spend a lot of time here sounding like a snot-nosed weasel in a school yard. The profanity while entertaining, diminishes your argument to that of a child. | ||||||
| Koby (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 540 Registered: 02-2002 |
Punchline?  You've got your order all wrong. You posted one of the biggest jokes of that thread. |
