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     Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 150 Registered: 06-2003 |
In the latest issue of Land Rover Monthly (I think that is the title) which features the British special forces doing deep water crossings on the cover, I noted a listing in the back of the mag. for a used Discovery. The listing appeared to be just like all the rest until I noticed that the person described the truck as having a 6.2 litre late model GM diesel conversion. Now, was this a misprint, was I drunk, or is there some kit out there that makes this swap fairly easy? If I do recall correctly, this was being sold at a "reputable" dealer so I am assuming the install didn't chop the hell out of the car. Anyone else heard about anything like this? -Luke p.s. don't read those listings if you don't want to get seriously upset at how cheap used Rovers are in Europe... | ||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Senior Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 297 Registered: 07-2002 |
The mag is either Land Rover Owners International or Land Rover World. I do recall a company advertising the 6.2L GM conversion in either LROI or LRW magazine. Yea, the classifieds showing how cheap Defenders and Series vehicles are really depress me. But the prices for Discos and RR's aren't really a bargain compared to here. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 151 Registered: 06-2003 |
Is the conversion junk? Isnt that quite a big motor to stuff into the Disco? What kind of weight issues are we talking here? Luke | ||
| Ken Doss (1disturbedtruck) New Member Username: 1disturbedtruck Post Number: 8 Registered: 06-2003 |
It's not common because of the mpg sucks but, there is a few companies that do it in England,Australia and probably elswhere. The thing to remember is that no conversion is easy. It's much more invplved than just dropping in a engine and new fuel tank. Man hours alone will shoot the cost thruogh the roof not to mention the assorted parts off the shelf and fabricated. Ken | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 244 Registered: 11-2002 |
There is a disco here in the US with the Diesel 6.2 V8 for an engine. I never saw the truck in action or saw it run. Even so, it was sweet  . http://www.brlrc.org/Uwharrie%20images/Uwharrie%20003.jpg http://www.brlrc.org/Uwharrie%20images/Uwharrie%20002.jpg Max T. | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 155 Registered: 06-2003 |
That 6.2 looks like it was shoe-horned in there. And Ken, about the fab. time and assorted "off the shelf" parts, I was wondering if a company made a kit, as in all fabbing was down and all parts included. Not that it would be a complete bolt in, but atleast you got everything that you needed (except the mechanic needed to install it). | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 215 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Luke THE GENERAL MOTORS V8 6.2 LITRE CONVERSION SUITABLE VEHICLES Range Rover, Discovery and Land Rover 90 / 110 CONVERSION DETAILS The engine is mounted onto the chassis using new chassis and engine bolt on mounting brackets and hydraulic mounting rubbers Adaptation to the gearbox is via special adapter plate and a special flywheel including spigot bearing and counterbalancing. The front suspension is uprated A special high capacity radiator is fitted to cater for arduous towing in adverse conditions A heavy duty battery is fitted. A complete low-back-pressure exhaust system (twin 2� inch pipe) including special manifolds is fitted. A 10.5 inch heavy duty clutch is fitted along with a new thrust bearing. A high capacity long-life air cleaner is fitted. A crankshaft mechanically driven vacuum pump is fitted to cater for brake servos, heater controls and diff lock actuators where necessary. A long life diesel fuel filter and water trap is fitted along with a hand primer unit. An automatic heater plug timer relay system is fitted. Original power steering pumps are re-mounted on the engine when applicable using specially designed brackets. A high output AC/Delco 12 V alternator is fitted. Rev-counters are re-connected where applicable. GENERAL DETAILS Built by General Motors Detroit Diesel Division, this engine was designed from the crank up to be a genuine automotive engine. Using the latest diesel technology, the GM V8 is all Cast Iron construction for optimum reliability, but is still lighter than many four cylinder conversions offered today. The latest design techniques employed on the combustion system and diesel injection equipment have enabled the engine to run extremely efficiently and quietly, more than just catering for the current US emissions regulations. The fuel returns on this engine surpass many other current conversions. The phenomenal power and torque figures of this engine speak for themselves, offering the kind of towing ability that people have been looking for, but also the free revving, smooth characteristics of the engine make it ideal for all applications :- from the people who expect shear outright performance - on and off road, through to the long distance traveller who not only needs cruising and mid range acceleration, but also comfort, refinement and reliability. SPECIFICATION Model GM V8 KGM 06 High Output Power / RPM 160 BHP @ 3800 (Naturally Aspirated) Torque / RPM 290 lbft @ 1900 (Naturally Aspirated) Fuel Rate 46.0 mm3/stroke Combustion Indirect No of Cylinders 8 Aspiration Natural Displacement 6200CC (379 cubic inches) Bore x Stroke 101 x 96.5mm Compression Ratio 21.3:1 Weight 298kg Firing Order 1-8-7-2-6-5-4-3 Injection Equipment Stanadyne Rotary Electrical Equipment 12v AC / Delco starter motor 12v 62A Heavy duty AC / Delco alternator 12V Glow plug with automatic timer Camshaft Gear driven cam, Overhead valve, hydraulic lifters Oil Pan Capacity 7.8 Litre Oil Cooler Remote take off , water or air cooled option AVERAGE FUEL CONSUMPTION Range Rover 25 - 30 mpg Discovery 25 - 30 mpg LR90 / 110 24 - 33 mpg Hope this is some help. Pete S | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 156 Registered: 06-2003 |
Pete, That is some really good information, sounds like most of the areas that traditionally hamper an engine swap are addressed with this kit. Sounds pretty capable as well. Anyone ever seen this conversion in the states or know someone who has this setup? Increased power and economy would be nice. Now I wonder how all this would work with a nice big turbo on the front? Any thoughts? -Luke | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 148 Registered: 12-2002 |
you've got to be kidding me! boys stay far, far away from any thoughts of putting that POS motor in a Rover. we work on a slew of those 6.2 and 8.2 gm/detriot bastards and they are the biggest joke on the planet. you think the 3.9/4.0 rover v8 has head/ head gasket issues don't get me started on the 6.2. please no more of this painful talk of this nonsensical conversion. next you'll want to know who has done a successful 2.3 ltr. pinto conversion. hey how bout' a cummins b series? now ther's a smoker!!! marc | ||
| Luke Tolson (Luke4696) Member Username: Luke4696 Post Number: 158 Registered: 06-2003 |
Marc, I would love to drop a cummins in there or a nice duramax with the alison (spelling) 5-speed transmission. If/when someone makes a fairly complete kit that the average mechanic (and not a rover expert) could install, that's the day I send them as much money as they want. -Luke | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 153 Registered: 12-2002 |
Mmmmm a cummins in a rock crawling rover, i think i'm getting a softy. to that i would add king coilovers for the weight, tube frame for the strength, and 39"tires. oh shit, now a real rock crawler and no longer a rover. to bad my money tree went bare. i guess one can dream. marc | ||
| Ken Doss (1disturbedtruck) New Member Username: 1disturbedtruck Post Number: 9 Registered: 06-2003 |
Luke, As you can see it can be done but, it realy is not a good way to go. This engine is well known for being a problematic. It does not have the longevity that people associate with diesel engines, not to mention the repair cost (if you have to pay someone else to fix it) can be very high. Good luck with whatever you decide, Ken | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 672 Registered: 08-2002 |
So what engines DO have the longevity that people associate with diesel engines? | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 156 Registered: 12-2002 |
CUMMINS!!!!!! marc | ||
| Alex Cabrera (Alexcabrera) Member Username: Alexcabrera Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2002 |
yep... those over the road 18 Wheelers are something else. I've seen some with +1 million miles... probably been rebuilt once tho. Detroits are pretty sound... (head gasket issues) My old man had his 60 Series rebuilt at 700K miles. | ||
| Ken Doss (1disturbedtruck) New Member Username: 1disturbedtruck Post Number: 10 Registered: 06-2003 |
500,000 miles estimated to be the average acording to a cummins rep I've talked to. Wtih some going over the million mile mark before a rebuild. Brian, like so many others on this board a I have little to no experience in what I post. On the other hand the people I get my info from do. It's also no big secret that the old GM diesel's had some problems. Ken |
