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     Roger Sinasohn (Uncle_roger) New Member Username: Uncle_roger Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2003 |
I am thinking about Limb Risers for my disco II. Because of the set up I have, I would need to mount a 6-8 inch tall post on top to which I would attach the top end of the cables. I'm worried that the post would bend before the branches did. Does anyone know what kind of force it would have to withstand under average off-highway use? Also, I ran across a web page (at <http://www.rickcrider.com/limbriser.htm> if you're interested) where a Hummer owner incorporated steel springs into his risers, to accomodate flex between the chassis/bumper and the body/roof rack. I'm thinking of doing the same thing. Anyone know if the flex between body & chassis would be an issue on a DII? Is a spring a good idea? Thanks! | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 778 Registered: 02-2002 |
Roger, Umm, you don't have a roof rack then or what? What are the posts for? The tension in the cables is quite high to keep them firm, and running through brush doesn't make much of a difference over that. They're mainly for posing really, and big branches you have to move anyway. They are cool though, they are the only addition ot my land rover that I can actually see from the driver's seat! Dean | ||
| Joshua (Joshua) Senior Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 381 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think there is a good write up in the tech section you may want to look at here on dwebb Just use one continuous cable...and if you dont have a roof rack, you can run the cable through the stock roof rails..just make sure you use the cable coated in platic sheathing so you dont scratch the hell out of your roof. Joshua | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1382 Registered: 04-2002 |
Unless I'm crazy, there shouldn't be any flexing between the body and the chasis, should there? At least, not enough to hurt an unsprung limb riser. Isn't it the axles that are mainly doing the flexing? Maybe I'm just not seeing the whole picture here, but it seems to me that putting a spring in the limb riser just defeats the purpose of the limb riser. The biggest issue I can see on a Disco is getting the limbs up above the roof rack lights. That's the reason I never messed with riser. If you attach to the bull bar and to the roof rack, your lights will stick up 4 or 5 inches beyond the riser, so they still are not protected, and I imagine my lights are worth as much as a new windshield, so they would need protecting too. Besides, on that hummer, any limb that would do damage to the front end is going to rip that raised exhaust right off the side. | ||
| Roger Sinasohn (Uncle_roger) New Member Username: Uncle_roger Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2003 |
My issue is that I have a tent on top of a set of Thule bars. In order to have the top of the risers above the tent, I need to mount a post on the Thule bars. I've looked at the tutorial on discoweb, but it wouldn't work for me, because running a single cable behind the bars would simply lead branches up to rip the tent off. Good points about the springs -- I think I'll leave them out. Sure, they're not necessary, but when you're parked on the Emperor Norton bridge, you don't have much to do except ponder such things... 8^) I'll try to upload an image of what I'm dealing with...  | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 462 Registered: 02-2002 |
You don't want any give in that line. It isn't as easy to do, but a single, taut run of stainless steel cable is best. As was said above, you should have no variance in the space between roof rack and bumper. Limb-risers are a little posuer even when executed very well and only protect the hood and windshield. You still pay the price down the sides of the truck and in the area just above the gutters as the deflected materials come in contact (read: slap against) with the paint. My limb-risers are all stainless, with in-line turnbuckles at the base so they're easier to assemble and break at the end of the day. If you're serious about having something that won't rust - go marine-grade fittings instead of Home Depot galvanised. My $.02 after about 1600 limb-riser assisted miles! e | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 464 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'd also add that the springs he uses have way too little tension-resistance strength for the job and will likely stretch quickly once he actually gets that dog off-road. e | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 100 Registered: 02-2003 |
I used the plastic coated wire from Home Depot rather than the stainless wire. It does not scratch the hood when I open it and it stretches just a bit more than the stainless. This may be good or bad depending on your viewpoint. Best of all, the wire was under $9.00. The total cost of this job was around $32.00 and I followed the write-up on the Discoweb pretty much to the letter. If you want to be able to open your hood with the limb risers attached, be sure to attach the risers as far out on the brush bar as possible. I'd not worry about making the posts since the main idea of the limb risers is to get the branches up and over the hood and windshield. I have boxes mounted up on my roof rack which is roughly similar to your tent (in size). I've never had a problem with it getting pulled off by branches. Thanks, Mike B. | ||
| Roger Sinasohn (Uncle_roger) New Member Username: Uncle_roger Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2003 |
The issue with my tent is that it sticks out (forward) about 2 feet from the Thule Bars. I also have a shelf next to the tent that goes forward a good foot past the bar. So, if I ran the cable to the Thule bar, the tent/shelf and the cable would make a nice 7 shape to catch the branches. If the front of the tent & shelf were flush with the Thule bar, it would not be a problem -- but with the overhang, I think it would be. If you look at the far (passenger) side in the picture above, you can see the support and how far back it is, relative to the front of the tent. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 283 Registered: 02-2002 |
it's not only for looks, it actually has use:  <ho> | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 465 Registered: 02-2002 |
Roger, I think it's more likely that you'll have trouble with low branches over your truck, not alongside it, with the tent up there the way it is. The top of my rack finishes out at 7' - 4" unladen, and almost another foot with jerry cans, peli cases and cooler, so I've had some firsthand low-branch experience. In the end, I've not lost anything, and the gear didn't suffer for taking a hit or two. As soon as I find some batteries, I'll take a picture of the hardware I used for my version of the risers. Ho, do you use risers and if so, how does it play into the higher Mantec snorkle? e | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 285 Registered: 02-2002 |
erik, i would think the limb riser would get on the way of the snorkel. even if it doesn't, i'd remove the towel rack and put the snorkel. do you see any limb riser stuff here?  <ho> | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 160 Registered: 11-2002 |
damn thats bright | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 466 Registered: 02-2002 |
West coaster! Back East, we have TREES. What do you need with risers on the LC anyway - its all rocks and miles and miles of off-road paradise! I'm definitely going to miss that aspect of California life - an hour and a half out to thousands of miles of dirt. I was moving the weekend of the Rendesvous, wish I could have finally met you and the others. Ah well, we'll have to wheel together eventually. e | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 286 Registered: 02-2002 |
i know you have trees. but you also have this round thing called steering wheel and something called brake pedal. use them well and i think you can avoid damage from the trees.  <ho> | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 467 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ho, Yes this is true, and my truck's finish reflects my off-road driving style. I do tend to take it more slowly than others when I'm concerned about damage. Here's some pics of my set up.  This is a close-up of the connection between upper riser cable and lower. This marine-grade turnbuckle is stainless for 5/16 in-line crimps. No hooks or rings here - it's all in-line baby!  Upper hoop of the ARB bumper is captured permanently with compression sleeve and one section of the turnbuckle pictured above. The sleeve is stainless, and the sheathing is left on the loop to keep the bumper from scratches.  This was tricky up here at the roof rack. I didn't want to expose the rack to scratches, yet I needed a permanent crimp. I ended up moving up on the Nicopress sleeve size and crimped over the sheathing, which is normally removed for compression. The 5' of cable coils up on the expanded metal flooring and zip ties down when not in use. e | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 287 Registered: 02-2002 |
i can't comment much on the riser thing. but i thikn it's time for another wax job. <ho> | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 863 Registered: 02-2003 |
ho man, you had the airforce one for a while. i suppose the steering wheel prevented dust ingress? now who has a snorcle and don't hand us that BS, shit, we know you don't do water. the dust argument is like someone in the east claiming tree branches are an issue offroad. you just got to be here to appreciate it. sucka ;) | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 288 Registered: 02-2002 |
yeah LOL i used to believe the superforce one gave me extra powers until it started falling off every week. and when back to regular air box i couldn't tell any difference. ok, on the snorkel, i don't do water cuz i hate water. but i have the snorkel cuz it looks bad ass. plus, if i ever do water, and my ecu craps out, at least i won't hydrolock. ya dig?  <ho> | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Member Username: Newman Post Number: 157 Registered: 04-2003 |
I think we're all missing the most important question here: Will limb risers from an '03 Disco fit my '96? | ||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 65 Registered: 12-2002 |
Check this out.   Picture on the left - they got the job done pretty good there. Picture on the right - they just plain look good. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 866 Registered: 02-2003 |
yes ho, the snorkle looks good, just like the risers.. hehe rd | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 289 Registered: 02-2002 |
of course rob, looks good to whom? for me, risers make the disco look like some 3rd world coach truck with a bunch of shit hanging off. especially with wet clothes hanging. LOL |ho> | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 104 Registered: 02-2003 |
Erik: I don't understand how the limb riser attaches to your ARB bumper. It looks like it will just slip right off. Thanks, Mike B. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 447 Registered: 03-2003 |
If there was ever a litmus test for a poseurmobile, this is it: limb risers or no limb risers. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 484 Registered: 09-2002 |
John, you could be right, 'cause try as I might, I can't find any limb risers here: http://www.discoweb.org/wildwest/ and I believe there were some 'east coasters' on that trip, and a few trees too. SC | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 433 Registered: 04-2003 |
I need (or needed) a limb riser to protect my poor little stock antenna. LOL, it broke off and I just inverted it and jammed it home....that was about a year ago. Whiskey Tango all the way, | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 867 Registered: 02-2003 |
driving around with the limb risers on around town is posuer putting them on in dense tree cover is simply usefull, but you would never know that because you'd have to actually wheel in the dense forest one time. that out west shit aint cutting it. i'm talking west virginia mining roads after all this summer rain. rd | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 468 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob, When we gonna go wheel? I'm doing trail maintenance at Uwharrie on the 20th - interested in a trip down South? Ho, If you really want me to make you some risers to complement that 3rd world snorkle set-up of yours, all you have to do is ask. We can keep it on the low-down. Mike, The connection on the bottom is made with a 1/8" (5/16" is the winch cable - duh!) single-crimp stainless Nicopress sleeve. Since the hoop is closed on the ARB, there is nowhere for the cable to come off. Make any sense? | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 294 Registered: 02-2002 |
erik, no thanks.  |ho> | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 870 Registered: 02-2003 |
eric, i am all booked up for september but i have lots of time off in october. i like a late october drive down to the carolina's the weather and trees are great. rd | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 184 Registered: 04-2003 |
Rob, West Virginia mining roads. Sounds like fun. Since I live in WV, maybe we can hook up some time and go driving a few of these. I live about a hour from Charleston and can be in the morgantown area in about 2.5 hours. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1895 Registered: 02-2002 |
Did someone say Whiskey Tango? I have those neat limb riser tabs on my bumper, but no limb risers attached. | ||
| Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Senior Member Username: Sillybus Post Number: 334 Registered: 08-2002 |
Paul - I was digging around trying to find those tabs for welding on from an old post. Are those the tabs you speak of or did yours come on your bumper? I need something on my ARB. I like the split-rings but couldn't find anything that didn't look ghetto-fabulous. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 872 Registered: 02-2003 |
joey, i was just in morgantown yesterday, nice area. a lot like PA but steeper. i was told they have measured more rain fall there this year than ANYWHERE else in the USA. should make things interesting. | ||
| Roger Sinasohn (Uncle_roger) New Member Username: Uncle_roger Post Number: 39 Registered: 06-2003 |
Limb Risers may be for poseurs, but I figure they can't hurt (I read a web page somewhere where the author made his removeable because if he hit a person he was worried that the cables could cut them in half. I figure that if I hit someone going fast enough to cut them in half, they're going to be more worried about the bumper than anything else.) Anyway, as I think I said, it's something to ponder, and fairly cheap. So I figure, why not? As for trees, we have 'em, we just don't have to trade in all the leaves every year. (Actually, we just like to keep 'em green so we don't have an excuse to wimp out when it gets cold.) Plus, we don't have those scrawny, east coast, 50 footers, we have *real* trees -- Redwoods. 8^) | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 297 Registered: 02-2002 |
roger, it's ok, we arel all poseurs in a way or another. |ho> | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 186 Registered: 04-2003 |
Rob, I know where I live here in Spencer, we got 3.5 inches of Rain just last week. Oh, and just to stay on topic, if you drove into the woods around my house you would need a chain saw and forget the limb risers.... Way too many down trees from the Ice Storm last year. 3 inches of Ice over night. |
