| Author | Message | ||
     Gary Wilkinson (Dune66) New Member Username: Dune66 Post Number: 1 Registered: 09-2003 |
Just to let you all know not to off road with Bilstein shocks, as it states in very small print on their web page under warranty. That if you actualy take the worlds greatest shock absorber off road you void the warranty. So the life time warranty isn't worth S##T. I found this out after shearing the top mounts off both rear shocks. Needless to say I now run EMU's and have had on problems to date. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 163 Registered: 11-2002 |
yep... those Bilsteins are awesome, much better than ranchos.  | ||
| Perrone Ford (Perroneford) Member Username: Perroneford Post Number: 211 Registered: 02-2003 |
Buy them from a reputable shop. No problems. I mentioned this "lack of factory" warranty on my web page about 3 years ago. After speaking to a few reputable vendors, I felt confident enough not to worry about it. I have EMU's on one truck, Bilsteins on the other, and no problems with either. -P | ||
| Hephaestus Smith (Hephaestus) New Member Username: Hephaestus Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2003 |
Gary you dumb shit any product warrant is voided f you take it off road... | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey Heph, please don't call someone a dumb shit when someone is only trying to state a fact. Gee whiz, most of us take our Rovers off road, so does that mean Land Rover is going to void our warranty because we used our product as intended? While that may be true with aftermarket shocks, Gary is only stating a fact, and in fact something some of us may not have known. I honestly wasn't aware of that, so that's good information for me, as well as anyone else who may not have known that. | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) New Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2003 |
June, actually its kind of funny part about voiding vehicle warranty.. B/c Jeeps for example indeed do that - they positioning their products as off-road, yet they void warranty if you get something broken while off-roading.. I never checked for Rovers, though... Wouldnt apply to me anyway as i own 94'  | ||
| Brent (Silly_me) Member Username: Silly_me Post Number: 73 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hmmmm >>>Hephaestus Smith (Hephaestus) New Member Username: Hephaestus Post Number: 1<<< So your first post to this forum was to call someone a dumbshit? I smell a troll. | ||
| Tbow (Tbow) Member Username: Tbow Post Number: 129 Registered: 12-2002 |
The way things are today, unconditional warranties are virtually non-existent. Almost every manufacture will protect themselves with exclusions for potential misuse or abuse. Offroading provides numerous opportunities for misue or abuse of a product. For example, let say you use the shocks for offroading and somehow flip over. You find an attorney who can find an expert that can say the shocks are to blame. Blam lawsuit city.. The trick is to deal with a reputable dealer so when you have any problems then they can be your best friend for warranty coverage. I've had people return products that I know they abused but got the manufacture / distributor to warranty it. Also, we should all be mindful that this is a information sharing/discussion board. If you don't like it then either debate it with your own knowledge or fact (politely) or simply don't respond to it. But there is no need to call someone names online. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2301 Registered: 10-2001 |
we just put a set of Ranchos on someones pickup today. man do they look like garbage compared to my OME. but OME does not make them for the Ranger. but the warranty implied does not state anything about off road use voiding the warranty. but i am sure the fancy red boots that came with the Ranchos will keep them from breaking if used off road. | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) New Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 24 Registered: 08-2003 |
Well face it - all manufacturers trying to protect their bums Good example - Jeeps (Grand Cherokees and Liberties, if i remeber correctly) in fact would be voided of warranty if you use them off road, altough they positioned like off-road vehicle. As of ranchos - yikes.. I seen/heard soo many bad things about them - wouldnt even touch those. Bilsteins are nice, who cares about that warranty thing - if you go offroad you most likely will have them worn out in couple years, and i see only one broken bilstein so far, and even then it was b/c that party was defective and they were a wee bit too long. On same note - i just got full set of ProComp shocks for my Disco - and altough they arent look as sharpy as bilstein - they fill about same. Not to mention that any shocks better than dead stock shocks | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1900 Registered: 02-2002 |
"I found this out after shearing the top mounts off both rear shocks" Interesting. Did they just shear off, tear off, break off instantly? Or was there an in-between period of wear? What were you doing to break both of your rear shocks? Hephaestus Smith? Paul | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 188 Registered: 04-2003 |
Interesting Name..... Found this via a google search: Hephaestus, the god of fire, especially the blacksmith's fire, was the patron of all craftsmen, principally those working with metals. He was worshiped predominantly in Athens, but also in other manufacturing centres. He was the god of volcanos. Later, the fire within them represented the smith's furnace. Hephaestus was associated with Mount Etna, which is on the island of Sicily. Known as the lame god, Hephaestus was born weak and crippled. Displeased by the sight of her son, Hera threw Hephaestus from Mount Olympus, and he fell for a whole day before landing in the sea. Nymphs rescued him and took him to Lemnos, where the people of the island cared for him. But other versions say Zeus threw him from Mount Olympus after Hephaestus had sided with his mother in a quarrel. This legend says that Hephaestus fell for nine days and nine nights, and he landed on the island of Lemnos. It was on Lemnos where he built his palace and his forges under a volcano. To gain revenge for his rejection by Hera, Hephaestus fashioned a magic throne, which was presented to her on Mount Olympus. When Hera sat on the throne, it entrapped her, making her a prisoner. The gods on Mount Olympus pleaded with Hephaestus to return to their heavenly domain, as to release Hera, but he refused. Dionysus gave the smith god wine, and when Hephaestus was intoxicated, Dionysus took him back to Mount Olympus slumped over the back of a mule. This scene was a favourite in Greek art. Hephaestus released Hera after being given the beautiful Aphrodite as his bride. Dionysus was rewarded by being made one of the Olympian Pantheon. Hephaestus is known as the son of Hera and Zeus, although Zeus had nothing to do with the conception. Hephaestus was parthenogenetic, meaning he was conceived without male fertilisation. Hera was jealous of Zeus after he had an affair with Metis, from which the goddess of prudence was pregnant with Athena. However, Gaia had warned Zeus that Metis would bear a daughter, whose son would overthrow him. To prevent this, Zeus swallowed Metis, so he could carry the child through to the birth himself, although Zeus could not give birth naturally. For retribution Hera produced (parthenogeny) Hephaestus, and legend says, that Hephaestus split the head of Zeus with an axe, from which Athena appeared fully armed. One particular legend says that Hephaestus wished to marry Athena, who was also a patron of smiths, but she refused because she found him ugly. Another legend says that Athena disappeared from their bridal bed but Hephaestus did not see her vanish, and spilt his seed on the floor. In a similiar version the semen fell from Athena's thigh and from it was produced Erechtheus, who became a king of Athens. (This relates to Erechtheus being the son of Gaia, Earth.) Aphrodite, in some versions, was the wife of Hephaestus, and he was suspicious that Aphrodite had been committing adultery. To catch her being unfaithful he fashioned an extraordinary chain-link net, so fine and strong no one could escape from it. Then one day he surprised Aphrodite and the war god Ares as they lay together in bed. He threw his magic net over them and hauled them before the Olympian gods and exhibited them as they were, naked and wrapped in each others arms. Hephaestus asked the assembled gods for just retribution, but they did the total opposite. The gods roared with laughter at the sight of the naked lovers, after which they allowed the couple to go free. According to Homer's Iliad Hephaestus had a wife called Aglaea, who was one of the Charites (Graces). Being a great craftsman Hephaestus manufactured wonderful articles from various materials, primarily from metal. With help from the Cyclopes, who were his workmen and assistants, he fashioned the thunderbolts for Zeus and his sceptre. He made weapons and armour for the other gods and heroes. For Athena, he made her shield or aegis and for the god of love, Eros, he made the arrows. The wonderful chariot which the sun god Helios rode across the sky was made by Hephaestus and in some versions it was a golden cup or goblet. He also fashioned the invincible armour of Achilles. Hephaestus helped to create the first woman, with the assistance of other gods, after Zeus had ordered that there be a new kind of human. Zeus plotted against Prometheus because he and his race of mortals had only included one gender, which was male, and so Hephaestus formed the first woman from clay. Her name was Pandora (all gifts) and from a supernatural jar, she released the evils of the world on mankind. Hephaestus is usually shown as an animated cripple bent over his anvil. He wears a beard and is normally depicted as being ugly, and in some art forms he walks with the aid of a stick. Homer describes Hephaestus as lame and walking with the aid of a stick. Hepheastus was worshiped mainly in Athens, where the Temple of Hephaestus and Athena (the Hephaesteum, also known as the Theseum) still stands. It is the most complete example of a "Doric" temple (one of the three orders in Greek architecture). It was built in 449 BCE and stands on a hill close to the Agora at the foot of the Acropolis. Hephaestus and Athena Ergane (protectress of craftsman and artisans) were honoured with the festival "Chalceia" on the 30th day of the month Pyanopsion. The Romans took Hephaestus as one of their own gods attaching the myth and cult to their god of fire and calling him Vulcan (Volcanus). | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1060 Registered: 09-2002 |
Joey, was it a discovery for you that Hephaestus was a smith? Gary, if you managed to break two Bilsteins, you are going to break much more hardware in your truck. Buying OME shocks will not save you from a bent axle, for starters. |
