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Author Message   Mary Griffin (Mary) Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 10:23 pm:    What type of dogs do you Disco lovers haul around? My 2 Dobies take up all of the cargo space in the D1 I recently bought and are pining away for the Explorer!   KJ Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:04 pm:    Currently I haul no dogs. I only have one incredibly ancient Jack Russell left of our original three, and he only goes outside to pee. My two cats LOVE the Disco though, but only from the outside. The black one regularly flops down in the middle of the roof rails and surveys his Kingdom. The grey one would LOVE to go for a ride, but I fear he'd go in anyone's car after that, and we have too many chances every week here for him to get carted away by accident. So, for us, no Disco Dawgs. Karen   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:24 pm:    I have a Newfie but no Disco. He is one of the reasons the IIa is being switched for a Disco though.   Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 11:53 pm:    A 3 year old Dalmatian who is soooo pissed that I just got the dog guard in. She liked sitting in the back seat and is still sulking after our inagural trip. JK   Dee Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 01:28 am:    The King of Dogdom "Great Dane" all 155lbs of him loves to slobber up the back of my Disco. Its sort of like riding around with Harry in the back (( Harry and the Hendersons))   Erik Olson (Jon) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 02:05 am:    Two Jack Russells in the back - I really need a dog guard! e   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 03:55 am:    Two Labs and a 5 mo. old Bernese Mountain Dog don't fit in a disco..... much less my girlfriend's Eclipse GST. They now all ride super comfy style in a 94 LWB... here's a pic of the newest additon to the pack... Craig   M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 06:34 am:    i carry Dilbert with me he is a 31/2 yo German Shorthair Pointer. and yes that dog can hunt! mike w   chrisvonc Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:31 am:    We have 2. An English Shepard who hates any car and turns into a pukiing, slobbering mess if we go farther than 10 minutes and a Aus. Shepard who loves the truck.   Andrew Maier (White96disco) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:54 am:    We have a Border Collie who loves to be in the back. Andy   Ron Ward (Ronward) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:36 am:    "Bedford's Duke of Delauney" 120lb Golden Retriever we call Bedford. He's 9 years old in June and the best friend a man ever had. Loves taking rides in the Range Rover (Disco is too high for his old bones) and delights in licking the tops of my kids heads as they fight him off from the back seat. Ron Ward   Mary Griffin (Mary) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:51 am:    Craig, how cute!!!! How did you add the pic?   Joanna (Joanna) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 12:18 pm:    I haul around a lab/great dane and a boxer...both leave slobber marks on all the windows and both love the Disco!   Joanna (Joanna) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 12:24 pm:      Lester Burnham Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 04:17 pm:    2 rotts, a chow, and a pom. No dog guard because I TRAINED them not to jump into the front seat.   Jake Hartley (Jake) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 05:11 pm:    Two Bouvier Des Flanders in the back. Bear, 10 and Ivy, 3 LOVE to ride in the Disco. Have taken 3500 mile round trips with them there as well as many off-road adventures.   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 07:22 pm:    Lester, let me know how well the training is working when you hit something doing 40mph with the dogs in the back. Don't forget to duck!!   Kyle Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 07:54 pm:    Woof! Kyle   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 09:01 pm:    yelow lab   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:13 pm:    Ceilidh (pronounced KAY-LEE) is a black lab-chow mix. She was mad at me for not taking her w/ to to Uwharrie this year the way I did last year... But, she was glad to see me get home.... -L   Chris Brown Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:24 pm:    A Red & White Siberian Husky who goes by the name of Ranger. He's not a big fan of the dog gaurd either!! Chris Brown '94 Disco   Alen Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:38 pm:    My 4yr old Sheppard "Honey" likes to write on the windows in her own language   joshua Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 11:25 pm:    Madison is a year old chocolate lab Lucy is a 7 year old Char-pei ( get it, loose-y) Brindle is a 6 month old boxer Saydie is a 6 year old chocolate lab Bubba is a 6 year old yellow lab they take turns, thank god for the rear seat cover from LL bean, and windex to wipe madisons "art" off the rear windows   Moe Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 11:27 pm:    Blue Healer, named Chan, who believes the Disco is his mobile dog house.   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 11:42 pm:    Nice. First saw Blue Healers when I lived in Fiji. There are a couple in town but they're pretty rare. Strong possibility for my next dog. One of the few smaller dogs that I'd consider.   Craig M. Highland (Shortbus) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 03:37 am:    Mary- Thanks, she's a heartbreaker for sure... to post a pic, click on 'Formatting' located in the sidebar to the left. Scroll down to 'images', and it will give you directions on posting pictures. Kind Regards, Craig   ken knebusch (Charlotterover) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 07:08 am:    Boxer here! JAKE   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 09:50 am:    I adopted a shepherd lab mix from the animal shelter in April 2000. Sherman is now a healthy 84 pounds with a white coat. He's great with kids and loves rides in the back of my DII. For those of you who were at Uwharrie and witnessed the Georgia D110 Crowd using their Hitler designed electronic death leash on a little cocker spaniel; I trained Sherman using love, Science Diet, and an occasional Lager. No electricution required. Paul   gp (Garrett) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:17 am:    yes i too was witness to the '2 beer queers' with matching shirts and hats taking turns shocking the dog. if we had more beers paul and i were considering tying the lady down and putting the colar on her neck and zapping her til she pissed herself. i mean it was not the occassional 'zap'.....it was every time the dog got 10 feet from them. i did like their 110 though. here is Bella. don't have a pic of Foster. they are not technically my dogs.......they just live in my house. haha.   Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:23 am:    I dunno, that dog came over and tried to wizz on my leg.... I had seen it wizz on Wayne's chair a few minutes earlier (while he was sitting it it!) so I wasn't surprised that it tried, and luckily I got my foot moved fast enough! I wouldn't zap my own dogs, but I'll let 'em have at that one.... -L   gp (Garrett) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:27 am:    i think i saw that leslie......you were over talking to Dave Gage at the UHaul. i wasn't sure what was going on from my seating position with lager in hand. i was just waiting for them to get really drunk and turn to zapper to 5 (high) and make the dog do backflips. peeing on your leg.....i would have paid $ to see that. haha.   Horness Spencer (Horness) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 10:53 am:    My Mother-in-law comes round every other Sunday, does she count? If anyone is selling a mesh dog guard for a D1, she could, er I mean I could do with it. HRNESS   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:05 am:    Yeah, peeing on your leg. Maybe that little cocker spaniel liked you Leslie. : ) Yes, I to had 110 envy. My god man, think of all the lager and chicks you could haul into the woods once you removed all of that pampered chef crap!   Joanna (Joanna) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:13 am:    okay, one more time... a lab/dane mix and a boxer who love riding in the "mobile playroom".   Joanna (Joanna) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:16 am:      Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:22 am:    Yep, that's exactly where it happened.... I was sitting there on the corner of the back-bumper, and the dog came up and started sniffing my leg like a tree.... I was watching it incredulously, like "It's not REALLY gonna do that, is it??".... so when it raised it's leg I jerked my foot back out of the way.... I was REALLY tempted to turn it into a place-kick and see if I could knock it across the road into JC's Disco, but, I thought that might not be a good business move on David's behalf... lol.... Story on that 110..... it was sold as "complete kit, just assemble it". Well, it wasn't complete. Wasn't close. The fella did a LOT of step-back-and-punt work to get that thing together. It's a lot closer to a Series, really simple. But, he did a good job w/ it. I really want his spare tire cover, w/ the sailboat on it. Need to find one (and NO! I'm not gonna "acquire" his, lol, but, I think it's a cool cover w/ the sailboat on there.....). Hmmm..... pay to see it, eh? Should've let me known, I could have arranged it, pocketed the cash, and then put the money towards a new chassis for the Series!! -L   Moe Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:25 am:    LOL, Jack and Maggie look a little regal there, maybe a pampered too Niall, the healers are great and are similar to the Disco. Lots of maintenance and everything runs smooth. Ignore the pooch for half a day and your feet will be attacked in the middle of the night. He gets his attention one way or another.   Andy Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:54 am:    I have 2 10 mos old mutts, they love going on trips with me offroad and camping in remote BLM land. One of the reason I bought the disco was to haul them easier over my old nissan p/u. I secure them, 65lbs and 55lbs, with dog seat belts that I got at petco. They didnt't like them at first but now they have no problems with them. They loved Moab this past weekend. Andy 95 d1 slc ut   niall forbes (Forbesn) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 12:14 pm:    Yeah, there was one next door to me that was left outside all the time. All he did was bark and bark until I threw some oranges or limes at him. We moved and there was one across the street who was much nicer.   Jeremy (Highmile) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 12:17 pm:    Kerbey Lane is a great window artist! She is a little older now days.   Heather Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 02:00 pm:    cute pics everyone! Our Golden Retriever goes every where with me and he is so well known at the local liquor store (where I buy smokes) that they have doggie treats just for him behind the counter ,,,   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 02:57 pm:    Here's my old boxer dog ... ... now that he's older, and the truck is just a bit lifted, I have to put his front paws on the back end and lift that heavy old guy in ... but I'm having more of a problem with his driving now, since he's getting cataracts in his eyes ... Kim   Jim Murphy (Murph) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:28 pm:    This isn't the best photo of my dog, but it does show her paying for her keep. Although you can't quite tell from the picture, I'm replacing the wheels, while she's been working on the driver's side, removing the running board. It took her longer than I'd have liked, but she got the job done. FYI, her name is Abby, she's a miniature German Schnauzer, and is about 10 months old in this pic. murph '99 DSII   Jim Murphy (Murph) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 04:41 pm:    Bloody 'ell. I got interrupted before posting, and you only have 5 minutes to post a pic once you've started. Here's try #2: murph '99 DSII   Mary Griffin (Mary) Posted on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 09:03 pm:    Abby and Sasha here, and if I'd seen that poor little dog getting zap-overkill, I'd knotted the collar around the guy's jewels and let 'er rip!!!   Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) Posted on Tuesday, April 30, 2002 - 11:33 am:    Chow Chow   Jason Kozma (Ravensjk) Posted on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 12:02 am:    These are my two boys... Leo is on my right and Griffin is the goof flopped over on my left. They are both around 2 years old and love riding in the back of the DII. Griffin was found abandoned by a river in Kentucky. We think he is a Rottweiller, German Shepard Mix. Leo is a rescue Doberman that we adopted in Greensboro the week before the Uwharrie Safari. For the last two saturdays I have been spent altogether too much time traveling to North Carolina! Jason   Mike B. Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 09:47 pm:    Someone's big puppy went after my 5 year old son at the Uwharrie Safari. I was setting up camp and my son was running around playing with his truck. I heard this dog growling and barking, but did not think much of it. Next thing I hear was my son screaming as he was running away from this dog. My son ran around a tree and between a couple of strangers and fell face first into our picnic table. The dog broke off the chase as soon as Zachary ducked between the kind strangers. Fortunately, although scared absolutely to death, Zack's only real damage was the big bruise on his face. I guess I'll be a lot more vigilent at next year's rally. Thanks, Mike B.   Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Posted on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 10:04 pm:    Mike, Sad to hear that. It is fortunate that your son did not get seriously injured. Hopefully he is not totally scared of dogs now. Its unfortunate that the owner didn't have his/her dog under control. Take care. JK   David Dryden (David914) Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 08:53 am:    This is Buster. We adopted him from the local Humane Society a year ago (about when this picture was taken). He's a Golden Retriever, Saint Bernard mix, and the reason (or excuse!) for getting our Disco. Although he's a year and a half old now, he only weighs about 67 pounds. Guess he's more Golden than Saint. He loves riding in the Disco. We have talked about getting a dog guard, but he has been good about staying in the back.   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Tuesday, May 07, 2002 - 09:12 pm:    Here is my muddy Rover dog http://www.discoweb.org/nealglessner/dog.jpg   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 06:21 am:    I tried to post a pic but the 50KB thing is speed bumping me.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 06:32 am:    Second Try: The first pic is of Sherman; a shepherd / lab mix at 6 weeks. We rescued him from the animal shelter (aka gas chamber). The second pic is Sherman now at a healthy 84 lbs. Special note: I did not use the Hitler designed zapper to raise him! Just love, Science Diet and an occasional lager.   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:36 pm:    wow, those are all beautiful puppies. this is the only one i got:   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 12:39 pm:    Oh no , not the poodle........ Kyle   Lil Bubba Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 01:04 pm:    You know that shock collar would have been really handy this weekend at Assateague...   Leif Posted on Wednesday, May 08, 2002 - 10:33 pm:    The Boys!   hotdog Posted on Thursday, May 09, 2002 - 05:54 pm:    Here are my dogs   Surprised Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:11 am:    Paul: I too saw the 2 beer queers and at first was repulsed at their actions with the collar. However, later in the evening I went to their camp and started talking to them. They seemed nice enough and after some discussion they let me borrow their collar. A guy I met that night (I think that his name was Paul) agreed to put it on his dog, Sherman, and he started doing what he called some "recreational shocking". I thought it was rather rough, but Paul was having so much fun that he actually wet himself. I quickly retrieved the collar as I didn't think that was the proper use of the collar. Paul seemed nice enough, but I think he had too many lagers that evening. Imagine my surprise the next morning as I walked by his camp and looked in his tent (the door was unzipped) and he was inside-naked and playing with a couple of D-cells.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:26 am:    surpised. i am sure you were just "talking" with them. honestly i don't know those folks from adam and i should not rush to judgement on them........but i will. they did seem like nice folk and i am sure they are, but their use of that gay collar was WAY out of line. actually they were freaks. and to add more insult they were acting like super gay freaks. now that i think about it they were more than that, but i will stop at that. god i hope these people don't have kids. if they have to have that kind of control over a small dog i can't imagine what they would do with a kid. there are ways to train animals. that ain't it. limp wristed twits like them need to go home and play with their EZ Bake ovens. lol   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 01:18 pm:    Who the hell is this Surprised person? Sounds like the two beer queers just evolved into the three beer queer trio..... At the next event please introduce yourself to me; I would love share my passion of hand to hand combat with you.   Roverine Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 01:46 pm:    Kim here, I like looking at all the cute pooches (even yours, Ho!) Paul, I think Mary came up with the best solution (see above) for those guys ... Kim   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:22 pm:    Let 'er rip! Hell Yeah!   danno Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:43 pm:    here's a pic of a friend's 2 lab's and RR \image {buck} and here's a puppy pic of my pup \image {hildi}   danno Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:45 pm:      Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 02:48 pm:    Danno, you let her run down in the Metroparks?   Danno Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 03:48 pm:    through Edgewater and my in-laws place.   David, Amy, and Mason Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:01 pm:    Paul, Garrett, and Leslie, First and foremost, lets set the record straight about the alleged abuse of our Cocker Spaniel. Before the shock collar was ever placed around the dogs neck it was approved by not only his vet but also the certified dog trainer that was training him at the time. (She too uses a shock collar on her dogs for barking problems) The shock collar we purchased has multiple levels of intensity, unlike cheaper collars. Before using it we watched an hour long video on properly training dogs with the shock collars. The dog must know his commands before using the collar and after 16 weeks of training our dog knows his commands. When there are distractions like strange dogs or people he sometimes runs off and the collar reminds him to stay close to us. The levels of intensity are 1-5 on this collar and we had shocked ourselves on all levels before ever shocking the dog. The level that was being used at the ralley was 2 which is barely a tingle. He has been shocked on the highest level before but only because he was in a dog fight that he had started. This ended the fight with no injuries to either dog. And I would also like to say that before you take any more jabs at us for using the shock collar, you all need to walk around your yards because if you have an invisible fence, you are doing the same thing. However, the invisible fence shocks on the highest level at all times. The big difference is our dog gets to leave his yard. Leslie, I believe that we already apologized for our dog attempting to pee on your foot. If you do not recall this, we apologize again. He has never done this before so perhaps you had stepped in something in an area that another dog had been. The biggest problem we have with this whole discussion is none of you came over and told us to our faces what you thought. But I guess it is easier to throw insults and call names when you are not face to face with the people you are insulting. And I can tell you that everyone that knows us and our dog is laughing at you because the "poor little cocker spaniel" in question sleeps on a king size Henredon bed every night, eats fillet mignon for dinner (prepared with pampered chef utensils of course), and is better treated than any of your dogs ever thought about being treated. We have never done anything to any of you all who have nothing better to do than to complain about people you don't know. And in closing, for the person who hopes we don't have kids, we don't yet, but when we do two of the things we will teach them are not to pass judgement on people they do not know and if you do not have anything nice to say then keep you mouth shut. So, Paul, Garrett, and Leslie, SHUTUP!!!!!!!   Phillip Perkinson (R0ver4x4) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:11 pm:    take that...Cocker SPaniel thats a fog I hope I will never have to own   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Monday, May 13, 2002 - 11:14 pm:    Hmmmm, all I'll add is that I know for a fact the pooch isn't treated better than those lounging around me right now and I have a 105-lb Dobie who knows her boundaries, abides by voice commands and has never been shocked. Best wishes to you!   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 01:09 am:    Eats "fillet mignon" my ass! I think you're trying too hard to make a point. First off, I spoil the shit out of my dog yet I'm not stupid enough to feed her fillet mignon. Her farts would run me out of the house. Secondly, I'm a dog trainer. I use shock collars for training and hunting exercises but not as a substitute for a leash. I could understand using a shock collar for occasional correcting, but you already admitted that you dog has problems with "distractions like strange dogs or people". What do you expect when you take your dog to a place where that are a lot of strangers? In those types of situations use a real leash, don't try to use a shock collar as a virtual leash. And BTW if you're dog really knew his commands after 16 weeks, you wouldn't have needed a shock collar. That's obvious or your dog woudn't have wandered off and tried to piss on someone.   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 01:56 am:    Oh, this is good, HAHAHA Mary & Neal ... I was just shuting down computer for night, and couldn't resist taking a peek at the pooch pic thread ... You guys immediately jumped right in on the first two thoughts that ran through my head, after reading that post. I could not agree more. uh, David, Amy, and Mason, I am not trying to be mean, but,,,, you are misguided. Maybe well meaning, but misguided. Besides the misuse of the shock collars, filet mignon?!! Are you nuts?! (even if the farts wouldn't run you out of the house, LOL) If you love your dog, get an education. Kim   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:40 am:    Pass the popcorn! LOL! "Never ever under estimate the power of denial" Paul   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:03 am:    david, amy and mason. true we never did come over and call you pansies to your faces. sorry about that. but as i do recall there was a flurry of debate about the collar. actually not from me, but from Julie and a little from Rebecca. i think she (or they) made their point clear about the use of the collar and how you were all using it. i don't think i need to explain why it was over used that evening or why someone should not even have the need for such a device. there is just no point in arguing about it......it's stupid for you to try and even ATTEMPT to defend yourself. who gives a shit if you feed your dog beef and have him sleep on a nice doggy bed. death row inmates get the same treatment before they are put to death. gosh that dog must loooooove you guys. try taking the time to actually have it trained properly. and yeah next time i won't hesitate to come over and pay a visit there cupcake. either give the dog to someone that will take the time to patience to care for the dog properly or do it yourself. don't involve leslie either. he had nothing negative to say about this......so if you have a problem with Paul or I you can confront us next time. good luck. garrett   Jason Johnson (Discomojo) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 09:34 am:    I'm no dog trainer and I have no intentions of calling anybody names but I do have one question to put out here and I think the answer I have come up with makes sense to me. Unless I'm mistaken, when used properly (in certain circumstances) these electronic devices are a means of "negative reinforcement". Therefore if a dog is shocked and not immediately corrected with the proper verbal commands what does the dog actually learn? The point is to teach the dog immediately. No disrespect to those using the collar but I personally witnessed several instances where the dog was shocked and then the dog wasn't even addressed following the shock. For instance while buying raffle tickets the dog starting compulsively crying in pain or shock(we at the table thought someone was stepping on the dog) the dog immediately became disoriented and eventually started running towards it's masters. At that point I believe someone in the audience made a comment. Paul, Garrett you heard better than I but the consensus was that the collar was being used (in this instance) as a substitute for a watchful eye. A dog might as well be your child and if you are unable or unwilling to keep a constant eye on it then it should be leashed or left at home it really is that simple. If you love your dog enough to feed it a $10 piece of meat then you should love it enough to teach it with a minimum or complete lack of zappage. On the bright side, it was funny to see Shane get cranked with a level 5 zap. Had Leslie been next to him at that moment I think Shane would have pissed on him too. My $.02   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 09:44 am:    well said. shane got zapped? did i see this? forgive me for i was disoriented.   Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:11 am:    Chow-Chow ...now where did I put that color photo?   The Big Daddy Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 10:51 am:    Could I borrow that collar for the next time my series won't start ? It may come in handy when turning the hand crank . Now lets see where could we attach it..........   Lil Bubba Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 01:46 pm:    I think I will add in a comment or to. I think both Julie and I (Rebecca) were vocal about how we felt about the collar. The others in our camp were a little less vocal because they didn't want to start a fight. In fact after we played the board game we decided to leave. The four of you came over and joined us. The only one of who was even slightly interested in the collar was actually Sidney. Who I might add has a half wolf and half lab mix that is well over a hundred pounds. In fact just the other day when we were over his house, the dog was on a lead attached to a wrought iron bench in front of their house and was walking away trailing the bench behind. I can understand about getting a shock collar in that instance, especially when nothing else has worked. There were many dogs at Uwharrie, larger ones that were well behaved and if they weren't their master had the dog on a leash. And when they left camp, and didn't take their dogs with them they were on a lead attached to something. When you own a pet you have an obligation to take care of that animal to the best of your abilities. You would do the same of a child, they are for the most part the same. Any type of dog can be trained with a certain amount of patience and persistance. Obviously from what I have seen you don't have that. But in your case what you have is a dog, while treated well, goes around and goes to the bathroom on people, if he were trained better or on a leash, that wouldn't happen. And while your sitting at the raffle all cozy on a blanket, with matching outfits and drinking wine, your dog is somewhere about and instead of going to find him, you hear whelping off in the distance. Please do us a favor, you do not have the abilites to take care of a dog, please do not pollute our gene pool by breeding. Leave that for the people who can take care of their pets.   bad doggie Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:33 pm:    I've got your shock collar right here:   yelp Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:46 pm:    ROFLMAO! ... I KNOW who posted that one! ... still laughing ... Kim   p m Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:52 pm:    here's my trail companion - a 75lb Airedale Terrier: no freakin' shock collars here, letting the good nature take its course! peter   bad doggie Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:52 pm:      Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 02:58 pm:    Is that an HK MP10? What a fine looking weapon. I think we are past the "let's hug" stage now.   bad doggie Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:05 pm:    that's an MP5. Like my master's shock collar, it has different settings to suite my mood. I can't wait for master to hit me with a 5-zap again. Then we'll set it to full auto and redefine our concept of negative reinforcement. Damn, I wish I had opposable thumbs.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:07 pm:    Now "David , Amy and Mason" have struck a nerve.... I wasnt there and I didnt see the whole thing but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to see that the Collar is being used exactly as Neal stated , a "Virtual Leash". Since I am not sure who made the post "David , Amy , or Mason" I dont know who to address here but I would like to make an offer that should clear things up a bit. I dont go to "Rally's" at all but I will certainly make an acception for this deal. How about I come to the next one and put that collar on you ? You do something I dont like and I am zapping your ass. Its up to you to know what it is I like and dislike and I wont give you any clues as to how to correct your behavior (This was touched on about the pooch). Since you watched videos and shocked yourself I dont think this should be a very big deal for you , should it ? Shocking yourself and shocking the poor god damned dog is completely different Einstien,,,, you know what it is and where its coming from so you only feel a little pain. The dog doesnt know what it is and whats causing it so he not only feels pain but a great amount of fear as well...I can hardly believe someone would take a dog of that breed into a crowd of people and expect him to "Behave" perhaps you should have watched a god damned video on the breed , maybe that would have served you better.. Dogs are dogs and they do what dogs do. Its up to people to be smart enough to know this and do whats needed to avoid it , the Dog shouldnt suffer because you lack good judgement. Let me know when you wanna have the Shock collar pepsi challenge would ya ??? Kyle   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:17 pm:    "Son, remind me when I get home to slap your momma in the mouth!"   Jason Johnson (Discomojo) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:25 pm:    Kyle, I salute you for your comments. If you ever make it to Robesonia again I owe you a Lager (I realize that's one less for you Paul but I'll make it up with a Yuengy 40 ouncer). By the way my brother still talks about his misadventure on the trail in his red Jeep. God bless whoever it was for capturing the picture of the jeep being recovered by the great white hope driven by Kyle. We are hoping it will make LRM.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:33 pm:    this one was taken with my camera, but i forget who ran down and took it. i still have some leftover 40's.   p m Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:39 pm:    LOL Kyle, you sort of contradict yourself. You're absolutely right on the fact that since the dog doesn't know the nature of the shock and how or whether it is dangerous, it may feel a great deal of fear. I never thought about it, however, I would never do it to my dog regardless. the contradiction is in offering the owners to try it on themselves. They know what it is, so it will only cause them minor inconvenience. To even out the feelings, I'd bump up the charge, and make it random! peter   Roverine Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:48 pm:    "I think we are past the "let's hug" stage now." LOL, no shit, let 'er rip! I have really tried to contain myself ... when I posted after your hand to hand combat suggestion, Paul, I actually put in 3 of my personal favorite moves, but then thought better of it and deleted it (it wasn't very ladylike ) Kyle: LOL, very good Bad Doggie: LOL, "bad, bad, doggie!" Kim P.S. Peter, I have a soft spot for Airdales - I adopted a little Airdale/Mut mix pup from the pound long ago ... poor thing ended up having just about every dog disease there was, and died 7 days later, but I was so attached to him ... spent a lot of $ trying to keep the little critter alive.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:49 pm:    Poor little Jeep..... He was giving it hell right up to the end though.... Jason , I really wanna shock this guy a few times.... He is comparing it to an underground fence where the dog is in complete control over getting shocked or not. I will run down the process here so maybe he can respond to me (I doubt he will) When you get the underground fence installed it comes with boundry flags that you put in the ground where you have installed the wire. You then take the pooch and walk the boundry with a leash giving him some slack and verbally correcting him each time he tries to cross. You do this over and over a for a time and he will start to catch on with just the visual of the flags and the verbal from you (Putting 2 and 2 together). Then you turn the system on and you walk him out again on the leash. The collar will make a warning beep of a certain tone when he is getting in the danger zone and at that point you give him a verbal command and pull him back from the fence and stop the beeping. You do this over and over for a short period so that he starts to assosiate that sound with a "no no". At that point I turn the dog lose and let him find out on his own what happens next. If he got too close he would get a beep of a certain tone , if he proceeded he got a higher pitched tone with a few second delay , and then a shock. This only took a couple of shocks before it wasnt even needed anymore really. He knew his boundry and that was that. The atteries were dead half the time and he would still not cross unless he was on a leash. Thats a static enviroment where the dog can learn the rules quickly and not have to adapt to dynamic situations and read your mind about how he should act off the leash. "Confusing" is the only word I can come up with when I think of a dog being let go in a crowd and then electronically corrected for things that he may not even know he is doing... Kyle   p m Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:55 pm:    how about a dog getting zapped for another dog barking next to it? no, that's plain fucking wrong. on a scale of livestock - pet - family member, that damn collar is next to a cattle prod. peter   Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 03:58 pm:    Well put Kyle! I am sick of people that have know idea about the breed they own. The dog got into a fight an you zapped him...smart! ..that will help him defend himself. I own the Chow above, and Chows are known for there bad disposition. If he were loose and started trouble he wouldn't understand why I was mad. ...I could zap the hell out of him (I wouldn't) and he still wouldn't understand. He's a big male Chow, and they like trouble! So guess what! HE DOESN'T GO OUT LOOSE! He is always on a lead, and alway under controll. If he were to piss on someones leg, I would zap myself for being stupid and not having him under controll. I love him, but HE'S A DOG! Ditch the zapper and get some responsibility   Roverine Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:12 pm:    Oh, and while we're handing out animal advice here,,,,,, Danno: your puppy is awfully young to be drinking beer, you may want to curb that habit (talk about nasty dog farts! ) Leif, Joanna, & Ken K: Watch out for those Boxers ... Oh sure, they act soooo innocent and sweet when you're around, but they're really very sneaky ... ours lays on our couch, smokes cigars, and drives our (and other's) cars only when he thinks we're not looking or we're gone ... In fact, I had a nagging suspicion that my dog Bosley was behind the wheel in the "Jeep Fall Down" thread ... Kim   Lil Bubba Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:15 pm:    I say this is what we do. Next event they go to, lets get an undergroud fence for them. Put it around their area and then put the collars on them and let the dog roam free. Plus it will keep them away from all of us, the MP5 and Paul.   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:20 pm:    Well no Bubba , then they are in control of being shocked. I kinda want them to learn some mind reading.... You know , there are lots of things that people do that I dont like ... Kyle   Lil Bubba Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:23 pm:    You're right Kyle, what was I thinking. They had a virtual world in their camp, they would have no reason no leave. All the food they could need, a shower and even a butane powered curling iron. Maybe we should let Paul and the MP5 take care or it... Paul?   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 04:49 pm:    Now Now people, Can't we all get along? LOL! In '94 I got out of the Marine Corps and have become a much nicer person since then. No Firearms required, just good ole heckling! Nothing else compares to the power of public hecking from your peer group. Paul White letters in guy   Rob Davison (Pokerob) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 05:21 pm:    aww.. kyle is a softy. rd   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:06 pm:    paul, no, we can't just all get along. of course not. HELL NO! LOL   Kyle Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:09 pm:    Rob , shuddup...... Kyle   Lil Bubba Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 06:50 pm:    Well I recall them saying that they live in the Atlanta area. I don't know about you guys, but I will be at Solaras. With bells on, a beer in one hand and a shock collar in the other. All are welcome to join are. We can have a friendly chat about it there. You know I am just trying to make it happen and I can't with a dog running around yelping!   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:25 pm:    I was going to be nice Ho. But I am starting to fall to peer pressure! LOL   Ho Chung (Ho) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 07:42 pm:    yeah man, open that 55 gallon drum of whupass! LOL   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:00 pm:    Damn picture problems!   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:01 pm:    Picture challenged! I give up.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:09 pm:    "Damn Man, tastes like zapped cocker!" "We told you to leave that poor cute little doggie alone!"   Anonymous Posted on Tuesday, May 14, 2002 - 08:29 pm:    "If my answers frighten you then you should cease asking scary questions."   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:21 am:    No replies,,,Imagine that.... Kyle   KJ Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:33 am:    I'll go out on a limb here and suggest that perhaps these events are not the best place to take your dogs. Most of you probably know by now I'm a horse trainer in real life, and I own dogs, cats, parrots and horses. I differ from most of the horse community in that I don't think dogs and horses go together all that well. Until/unless dogs are trained to not react to their innate instincts as predators, dogs will tend to chase things, be they horses, children, cats, cars, fill in the blank. It is my professional observation that most animal owners are, shall we say, idiots. Whoopsie! I'll make that a bit more P.C., and say that the human owners can usually use a bit more schooling in the care, training and maintenance of their non-human charges. Too often they don't know there is a potential problem until it BECOMES a problem. Everybody loves their Rover, be it a dog or a vehicle, and that makes the average human blind to the faults therein. I'm all for appropriateness, and I say dogs don't belong at most large events unless it is a dog event, and then they'd better be leashed and well behaved. Until you've seen the accidents I've seen caused by idjits not controlling their dogs, kids, horses or even themselves, this might seem a hard line. I love my pets and for the most part I leave them where they are most safe, at home. Karen   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:35 am:    Hmmmm , I have never seen a horse collar zapper.... Kyle   KJ Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:54 am:    LOL! The horse collar zapper? That would be ME! You ought to see the remote control I have with often just a word or jesture..... Karen   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 10:58 am:    Hmmm , so the Horsies are frightened of you ? You are the Horse Hitler ? Kyle   KJ Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 11:43 am:    LOL, no, not at all. They respect me, I respect them, we all have our roles. Lemme see, I cook for them, clean for them, doctor them, buy them new clothes, new shoes, new blankets, new everything they need. Uh-oh, I think I'm getting the Universal Horse Gesture for LUNCHTIME! Hmmmmmm, who's getting the better of the deal here?????? Karen   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 11:49 am:    Well , they actually provide you with the cash so that you can do that for them.... Soooooo , what was it you were saying ? Actually , they bought that Disco of yours too!!... Kyle   KJ Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 11:54 am:    Can't argue with that! It's a perfect simbiotic relationship. I'm the tree, they're the moss, or vice-versa. I've also kept them off the plates of the Europeans and Japanese, so it's all good. Karen   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 11:57 am:    Hmm , yeah , you gotta watch those Koreans,,,they eat anything... Kyle   gp (Garrett) Posted on Wednesday, May 15, 2002 - 04:21 pm:    no.....not dogs. please no. they suffer enough as we can see.   not sure Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:02 pm:    This thread is absoultely amazing! Message boards sure do give people a sense of strength that they obviously don't possess in their normal day to day lives. If this is the David and Amy I am thinking of they are two of the kindest people I know (by the way David and Amy I also beleive started the Solaros event in Georgia about five years ago), I and if I am correct (not 100% sure) that cocker spaniel was rescued from a Korean restaurant in PA. I think he was about to be boiled with some Yuengling (yes there are Koreans in PA and they do like their "Lager"!) I hear this combo tastes like a good Braut. By the way LAGER means Light or Legere (light) real men don't drink light beers. As far as our marine corp buddy ,yes marine corps is in lower case ,as not to confuse the jug head, (paul or garret is your name i think) MP5's are not the weapon of choice to control yor pet, a shock collar is profoundly more humane. You might want to check with your local VA hospital you may have some sort of "syndrome" from your previous duties. Beware of going to Georgia I hear it's pretty muddy down there and you might get your "grocery getter" dirty. Well in closing this has been really entertaining. And I too will attend the Solaros Rally, which should be very interesting, you know the South has quite a bit of pent up angst for the north. Not to mention that garret and paul may have bit off a little more than they can chew this time. Anonymity is awesome, I love the internet.   sure Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:43 pm:    "MP5's are not the weapon of choice to control yor pet" no shit sherlock - I believe Bad Doggie was expressing his desire to use his MP5 to blow away the stupid shits who shock him for being a dog because they are too lazy to properly train him. This is for you, the anonymous fool:   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 01:45 pm:      gp (Garrett) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:00 pm:    oh man. i have to go through this again......and with someone does not even post their true name. yeah.....message boards DO give people a sense of strength don't they. two of the nicest people? hell i don't know these people, nor do i care if they are nice or not. i am just refering to how they treat their dog. and in my mind was just wrong and obnoxious to say the least. if you say they are the "nicest people" then i guess it must be so. koreans in PA? what is the world coming to buddy. i mean i have live here for about 10 years or so and was not aware of such things. you need an education on beer too. you may want to brush up on your knowledge of where Lagers came from and how they compare. how many good dark beers come from the south anyhow? i am pretty happy with Yuenglings fine examples of beers. they have been at it longer than anyone else in this country and PA has more breweries (regional) than any other state. so to call it is sissy beer is well......sissy. angst for the north? sorry to hear about it buddy......get over it.....we won. lol. if you got a problem with me state your name. and as i should have done with the shock colar people, why don't you stop by at Solaros. i am sure i will be there and will be happy to talk trash along side my grocery getter. i mean if you are trying to make this out to be some back yard "no your a pussy" game then have it. my beef with these people is how they treated a little dog and their overall attitude. not the kind of people i would like to be associated with at a rover event. not that i like everyone or everyone should like me at these events, but to sit there and defend these folks is pretty amusing in itself. did you happen to be there? if not then get back to your coloring book billy. your right this thread is funny. better yet why don't they defend themselves instead of having some faceless and nameless person do it for them.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 02:16 pm:    Damn preverbial horse won't die! Let it go man.... Anyone have the number for Jimmy Carter or Jesse Jaskson? I really think they can help our poor friends with the electronic zapping addiction that are traumitized by this thread and the World Wide Web. From a similiar quote: Mason the little doggie did not whisper in your ear in the middle of the night saying "please shock me, oh oh please!"   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 03:44 pm:    So Garrett, Are you going to British Motor Car Day this Weekend?   gp (Garrett) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:02 pm:    where? i better wax up my truck with Zymol tomorrow!!! thanks!!   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:16 pm:      WHAZZZZUPPP Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:41 pm:    Hey GP...It'll take a lot more than "ZYMOL" and a lager to clean up your truck after my electric dog gets through with it.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 04:49 pm:    that's not your electric dog.....that's your wifes vibrator. now put that away!!! hugs and kisses   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 05:07 pm:    Help Garrett My neighbor just cut down a tree. The poor tree never saw it coming, it wasn't warned, or anything. If your not doing anything, (saving whales, trees, etc) then lets get together and talk some trash about him. I know we don't know him, but who cares.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 05:10 pm:    Anon , dont be a pussy..... Atleast Garrett uses his name... Kyle   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 05:28 pm:    But I'm scared Garrett will beat me up. He was in the marine corp ya know.   Kyle Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 05:42 pm:    Should I look up your ip and give him all the info on you anyway? Kyle   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:40 pm:    My God, they must let pre-schoolers drive Discos these days from the looks of the nameless whiners posting!!! Now I'm gonna have to attend the afore-mentioned event and let Abby abide my some of my voice commands..."get 'em girl, take away the collar, stick up their arse, ZZZAAAAPPPP!!!" I detect a needledick or two behind a couple of these posts.   David Dryden (David914) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 08:58 pm:    Wha' happund? I thought this thread was about pictures of our dogs... Oh well, another thread bites the dust.   Dee Cantrell (Disco_Dad) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 09:05 pm:    Kyle good post on the fence, My Great Dane did not give a shit for it or respect the boundaries arounnd the nice $700.00 fence I installed. It seemed he figured out if he ran really fast it would only hurt for a second. Living with a Great Dane is just like the comics. His crowning achievement was a poop episode while inside our Motor Home not one square inch was unscathed words can not describe it, and this was an hour before we were to leave on vacation. If I thought it would help I would have zapped the shit out of him, but beating an anminal makes about as much sense as spanking a baby, Just plain wrong.   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 10:12 pm:    Since we are on the topics of dogs, this is a very helpful trainging book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0316578398/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/002-7731334-1803253 It teaches how to dicipline your dog without hitting it. One of the best dogs training books that I have ever read.   Dee Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 11:17 pm:    Maybee this is where i went wrong   Dee Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 11:25 pm:    About the only trick he knows Lay Down   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 - 11:42 pm:    Dee, Is that a Great Dane?   Dee Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 12:00 am:    Yep, He is a Mantle Great Dane all 165lb of him!!!! Thats why I got the Disco the old RR was too small in the back. I felt like Harry and the Hendersons driving down the road,   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 06:31 am:    Dee, Beautiful animal! A friend of mine owns two Danes that run around his house and is great with his 4 year old son.   Kyle Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:51 am:    Man that 4 year old needs to Saddle up!!! Kyle   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 08:54 am:    Kyle, Those dogs are big enough for me to ride!   HELP Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:29 am:    Urgent Dog Abuse Paul and Garrett we need your help!!! This picture was captured by our agents last night at the Yuengling factory with night vision cameras. This poor canine is required to carry vats of beer with his KEG COLLAR this is much more serious than shocking as he is not unionized and may not have enough "bones" to pay for his repetetive stress injuries!! A call to arms gentlemen!! Hand to hand combat may be required!!! Bring them water pistols too!   pic Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:30 am:      KJ Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 09:55 am:    I need to see more puppy pics, but happy puppy pics only please. The last of my Jack Russells will be put down today. I feel like shit. Show me your happy puppies..... Karen : (   gp (Garrett) Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 10:11 am:    sorry to hear about that karen. ron posted a link http://www.petfinder.com there are lots of puppy pics there. even horses!!!   Carl E. Cedeholm (Cederholm) Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 10:15 am:    Karen, I'm sorry to hear about your Jack. Was he sick or old? My Chow is 12, and going def (gone)....but still very active (for a Chow). He getting his own yard for his retirement, (We just bought our first house)he's not use to being outside without a lead, but he's lovin it. Anyway, again...so sorry! Carl   Heather Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 11:08 am:    Awe Karen, that breaks my heart to hear that!!! I wish there was something I could say to make you feel better! I don't have any puppy pics but I'm sure the folks here will keep your spirits up! Try to have a nice weekend Heather   p m Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 01:06 pm:    Karen, I've had dogs all my life, the first died when I was nine. Always ugly. peter   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Friday, May 17, 2002 - 07:49 pm:    Karen, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss and we'll keep you in our doggie prayers! Sasha (the little red one in the pic I posted earlier) is 13 and had a stroke in January. The vet thought they were going to have to put her to sleep, but she rallied around and is back to normal now. She's like my child and just that incident was gut-wrenching enough. We're thinking of you!   Dee Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 01:06 am:    Paul, Life with two Danes oh man, Its funny this dog is so funny he is 5 years old and acts like a 6 month old puppy. We would love 2 have another one but he is so spoiled and such a baby i think he would be a real but head to another dog introduced into the home. He is not a wimp either he almost killed a Pit bull who tried to attack him and my wife last year. What is really funny watch him try to play with some dairy cows, He thinks there big dogs..   Jake Hartley (Jake) Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 11:42 am:    garret: I don't have a dog in this fight, but there are some good dark beers from down south. Shiner Bock comes to mind as well as a couple of darks from Abita Brewery in Lousiana. So remember yankee boy, before you spout off your ignorant ass mouth about the south, do a little research. By the way, it appears that most economic growth and development these days is taking place south of the Mason-Dixon line. I guess that corporate America got tired of smart ass northern boys like you. Remember, we are all one country here. Jake (not a marine, but 20 years as an airborne special ops Army Officer)   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 05:31 pm:    Karen, I was out most of yesterday, and didn't see your post here. I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. ... To me, it's even more of a heartache to have to make that decision when it's time to put them down ... but better than watching them suffer or have no quality of life at all. Last month during a routine shots/checkup office visit (something rare since it's usually something major), my dog's vet looked at me and said, "He's done well. I didn't think he was going to live this long!!" (uh, gee, thanks, Doc) ... The dog already had a malignant tumor removed 2 years ago. After some blood work, he found elevated pancreatic enzyme levels that seem to indicate the old hound probably has a tumor on his pancreas. As the vet put it, there's nothing that can be done about it anyway, so no use doing further testing ... Right now the old guy is doing okay, but losing a little steam. I'm just taking each day as it comes. We'll always have great memories of our beloved family pets. Here's a 'virtual hug' - (hug). Kim   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 06:49 pm:    P.S. Don't have any more happy pup pics handy, but how about the ole' "Australian Centerfold" pic ??? (it's all I could come up with for now) ... Kim   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 06:54 pm:    oops, (i'm not helping here, am I?) one more try ...   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Saturday, May 18, 2002 - 09:00 pm:    hahaha...Kim, you're a little devil!   KJ Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 12:40 am:    Hey Guys, Thanks so much for all the kind words, and the devilish pics (G). We put Badger down about 5:30 last night. Even knowing we had little choice but to do the right thing by our kid, it was tough. He'd been having seizures and was beginning to have obvious brain damage. This family of Jack Russells had been with us all our adult lives. We got their mother about 22 years ago (I bought her as a surprise for David), and when we bred her we kept two of the pups. We put the female (Badger's sister) down only a couple of months ago, and now her brother is gone, too. Can't complain, these dogs were ancient (18.5 years old), and lived damned great lives. But, it always hurts. This may be the only time in my life I've not had a dog. So, all three of our great old terriers are ensconced under our oak trees, all in a row and hopefully chasing one another in Doggie Heaven. If there IS a Heaven they deserve a good seat. Incredibly fun dogs and we really miss them. Karen : (   gp (Garrett) Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 11:43 am:    easy there big Jake. i am quite aware of some of the decent beers that come from the south. had a case of Abita Turbo Dog at Uhwarrie actually. but if you consider those truly "dark" beers, then maybe you need to find a new 6 pack shop. (try Yuengling Black & Tan or Porter) beer just happens to be something i have had an appreciation for a very long time. worked at a beer distributor that specialized in micros from all over the world, so "ignorant" is hardly the word. sure there other great things that come from the south as well and i am glad to hear the hardships of the south are getting better. the northwest and northeast have historically been the purveyors of the 'best' brews in the US of A in my opinion. and actually i am not a smart ass northern boy. grew up in Missouri and had a farm in southern Missouri. so if you call that north then maybe you should get an atlas out brain trust. where's the love. ps: never was in the military either. geeeez. 0 for 2.   lisa johnston (Lisa) Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 02:40 pm:    We just got a new greyhound May 11 bringing our current total to 2 greyhounds( our 1st passed away 1 year ago) Since we live in New Orleans, my husband and I decided we needed a "hurricane evacuation vehicle" to haul the dogs, three cats, us, and our assorted baggage. Got a 1999 disco 1 on May 15!   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Sunday, May 19, 2002 - 10:44 pm:    Hey, Garrett, I can vouch for the beers in the Northwest! Lived in Portland until a few years ago and tried a sip here and there (yes, I'm a wimp) of my friends' dark beers. Anything with a name like "Black Butte Porter" is definitely a dark beer in my book!   John Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 05:09 pm:    I spent last Saturday night at an outing with David, Amy and Mason. My wife even got into a discussion with them about this very thing (electronic collars). At different events over the past 5 years I’ve spent at least 250 hours (6 weekends) with them and I’ve never seen anything but love between them and their dog. I had heard about this thread and had to come see what it was about. Before they even made a comment in the thread let’s see what you animal lovers had to say, “2 beer queens with matching shirts and hats”, “pampered chef crap (referring to their outfitted vehicle)”, “super gay freaks”, “pansies”. I hope that your love for your animals is better than your love for your fellow man as you want to, “tie the lady down…”, “knot the collar around the guys jewels…”, “hand to hand combat”, “random electric shocks”, some of you are found of showing your respect for women by referring to them as “chicks” hopefully anything you did with the “chicks and lager” you hauled into the woods would only have involved consenting adults. Hitler’s name also gets thrown about a good bit here but perhaps you should try to look at the reference to him in a different light. Hitler’s Germany didn’t start out with throwing Jews into concentration camps. It started with a little bit of hatred and escalated to full scale fear and denial of rights. Look at this thread. This thread starts with a little bit of name calling and hatred towards people who use a training technique different from one that you choose and escalates to references of bodily harm and overt displays of your weapons of choice. You ask why there is no response from the accused? There also isn’t much defense from those who may defend them. Who wants to walk into a mob that is pointing virtual guns and making bodily threats. You’ve already told those who may have a differing opinion, “no point in arguing, … stupid to try and even defend yourself”. The prudent person would just say forget it and try not to anger you into the next level. In my 36 years I’ve owned and handled many dogs. I’m not a dog trainer but I can tell you that I was lucky, until my current dog, that I didn’t have any dogs with major problems. Sometimes you don’t choose a dog, it chooses you. I am the third owner of Molly, my current dog, a beagle basset mix. Molly was on the way to the pound when she asked me to take her. Molly has some behavior/emotional problems that so far no amount of money (pro training), time, patience, reinforcement has been able to help. There are times when I wish I hadn’t met Molly but she’s mine, I love here and I don’t think anyone else would tolerate the problems so I work around them. If I thought an electronic collar would solve all the problems I’d buy one tomorrow. I’ve been able to train her to a point where she isn’t currently endangering herself or destroying the house. I am guilty of letting Molly run loose at off-road events and many of you raise good points here. I will leash her in the future until she is settled in with the other dogs and the cars have stopped moving. I seem to remember that in the past David and Amy have spent much time with trainers. Their dog is much better disciplined than is mine. But I don’t know what their tolerance level is. And, perhaps they are trying this as a last ditch effort at training. I don’t know the answer to this. I didn’t ask during this past weekend. I wish I had asked even though truthfully it is none of my business. They are using an approved training technique. After a short search and calling trainers I find that most approve of their use with owner training. WHICH DAVID OR AMY SAID THEY HAD PRIOR TO USING THE COLLAR. I’m glad there are those of you who have perfectly trained dogs who only required lager, love and science diet for their training. Some of us have dogs where were not so lucky. Some of us have dogs who are allergic to meat. Some of us have dogs who were abused before we received them. Some of us have dogs probably afflicted with inbreeding problems. You don’t have to approve of the use of behavior collars. You should realize that some people use them and use them effectively for their intended purposes. You should realize the many (though not all) trainer recommend them for a variety of behavioral problems. Remember the things you love that other people have a problem with. Your SUV for instance how many of you are tired of others practically wishing your death because of the size of you vehicle? How about the guns that some of you posted for us to see. Since you know about the weapons I can only suppose that you have been trained in their proper handling and function. Because a tiny percentage of people use them inappropriately (and an intolerance of others to open their mind to facts) you have already lost the ability to own some types of guns. A couple of years ago I was at a friends house who had just installed an invisible fence. I put the collar on my arm and walked up to the barrier zone. This past weekend I put Mason’s collar on my leg and progressed through the levels from 1 to 5. Easily the invisible fence shock was 4 times greater than level 5 on the shock collar. Last year our chow was escaping both over and under our fence. I installed an electric fence for small animals around the perimeter. Tina, the chow, would step on the wire to aide her in getting over the fence. I didn’t believe the fence was working so I grabbed the wire. An electric fence has an even higher shock value than the invisible fence. Oh, and by the way, I guess my wife got lucky when she saved the chow, while working as a Certified Animal Rescuer. Because other than wanting out of the yard Tina is the sweetest most loving animal I’ve been around. We removed the electric fence, since it wasn’t doing any good, and have Tina proofed the yard in other ways. There is no way that either David or Amy were abusing their dog with the collar. I wasn’t there but I know these two well enough to speak to that. On Saturday night Mason was howling while I was holding the collar so the dog howling with the collar on is not proof that they were shocking the dog. I am amazed at how much time some of you were able to spend watching this family. I was around this dog for hours before I realized it had an electronic collar on. After that I was spending time with my family, my dogs and other friends and didn’t take the time to dwell on how others were training their dogs. I don’t frequent this board so I probably won’t check back more than once to see any responses besides, “......it's stupid for you (me) to try and even ATTEMPT to defend yourself (myself)”. You don’t like these collars so therefore they must go. And anyone who would try to defend their use must be silenced by personal attacks and threats if necessary. Oh and I’ll crawl back to my coloring book because while I’ve been around those accused for many, many hours over many, many years it doesn’t compare to you spending a weekend critiquing their lives. I’ll pry myself away from the coloring book however and try to come to your defense when the anti SUV crowd are taking away your truck because they don’t like them. And I’ll always be there as your gun ownership rights are whittled away little by little by your intolerant brethren. For those who still have an open mind here is a link to more information. Some of it agrees with collar use and some does not. http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/obed.htm#elec   Kyle Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 05:43 pm:    So basically you want to say something and leave a trap door to run out and not be accountable for what you have said ? Now that is the LAST thing any of the boys here have done. So john , you have a dog that isnt very managable ? Would you take such a dog to an event ful of people to "TRAIN" him ? With a collar ? Oh , thats right , I forgot about the trap door that bails you out of having to answer..... Kyle   Dee Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:12 pm:    I dont think there is a high enough voltage collar to handle mine, I also tried the bark collar several years ago. He barks so much at all the activity around my house he wore the batteries out in 2 to 3 weeks. Watching him he figured out the pitch and durration of his barking barking so as not to get zapped. Bark loud 3 times wait 60 seconds after the beep the bark again After spending 85.00 for the collar who is the one that needs training..   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:36 pm:    I'm building a pool fence to keep my 1.5 yr old daughter safe from the pool, but maybe I'll just put a collar on her. Go near the pool....ZAP! During parties, we can zap away to the delight of our guests. Oh, what fun we will have.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:52 pm:    john. you misquoted me.....i said, "2 beer queers" not "2 beer queens". thank you. and yes my love for animals is stronger than some people. people (adults) are more capable of defending themselves.......unlike some animals. have a nice day.   Kennith P Whichard III Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 07:54 pm:    To all, I just wanted to cut in for a second. In about the middle of the postings there was a fellow who cut in saying that the south had great pent up angst for the north. He used the name not sure. Some of you probably know that I live in PA. Most of you do not know that I am origionally form Texas. I feel it neccessary to say that the north and south are just like Jeeps and Land Rovers. All those hostile feelings have been whittled down to a little innocent poking and prodding. There are no leftover hostile feelings (unless our friend is from a backwater hick village) to speak of. I don't know this fellow, but I don't find his comment amusing, as it is not at all the case. I am wondering just what he meant by saying some of you guys bit off more that you could chew. I'm with you guys about shock collars, but I can't judge the family you refer to, because I wasn't there. I only hope that if I ever meet them I will not find the same problems you may or may not have, and that I will enjoy their company. I pray you are not right though, for the sake of the dog. I hope we will not be hearing from mr. not sure in the future, as he crossed the line of constructive criticism. Oh, and I know what comes out of Texas....MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol Kennith   Dee Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:08 pm:    If needed ill pass my dogs collar on to you for your pool side enjoyment. Does Child protective services have you on there list?   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:08 pm:    John, David, Amy & Mason, If I had a dollar for every time someone made fun of me, insulted me, either in jest or anger; I would be able to buy Land Rover back from Ford. Kennith, Remember the saying....."Don't mess with Texas!" Paul   Anonymous Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:14 pm:    Dont Texans get real mean when Zaped?   gp (Garrett) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:18 pm:    and doesn't the north suck Ken!! haha lived in the north for 16 years and missouri (southern and northern) for 15. glad someone can seem some humor in this south vs. north thing. garrett state college, pa ps: i like this idea of making fun of Paul.   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:21 pm:    Please don't make fun of me, I'll become sad. I will never ever ever say a bad thing about another American again.........Well, unless I am provoked! HA!   Roverine Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 08:22 pm:    Come to think of it, I kind of like cowboys ... boy O boy, am I in trouble now, hehehehehe Kim   Kennith P. Whichard III Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 09:48 pm:    LOl knew it'd happen sooner or later. Well, guess that could be me on the far left, just a little thinner.......and I don't know that I could hold that hat up...... Kennith   Roverine Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 10:02 pm:    OK, sorry you guys ... didn't mean to gross y'all out ... (just trying to get even I guess, for a few other pics posted on here in the past) It's just some pic that was being passed around via e mail by a bunch of other perverted women ... I mean, seriously, those guys can't be real cowboys ... that one on the right side is tanned all over his whole body! (hehehehe) I don't know of too many nudist cowboys, Kim   Dobie Disco (Mary) Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 10:14 pm:    Hey, Kim, that's the whole reason I transferred to Texas!!! Yes, the North vs. South thing is really worn out. How does it even come up?! Shock collars, not my personal preference. My issue with the story we heard is the environment in which it was used (just as others have stated) and I'd still be more than happy to begin wrapping the collar...! Don't need to know the parties to know how I feel about it, just like I've never stopped to introduce myself to some jerk kicking the Hell out of a stray before I rescue the animal. Maybe the trainers who say they agree with the use of the collar weren't enlightened about this situation.   KJ Posted on Monday, May 20, 2002 - 10:44 pm:    Wow, those cowboys really get turned on by their beer. Which one is Missouri Garrett? Kim, astute observation about the tan-lines-free dude. He shaves, too, so he's either a swimmer (not likey with that bod!) or a body building competitor. Hmmmm, this will take much pondering, perhaps I should make this pic available offline....for research purposes, of course. Karen   MTB Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 02:57 am:    Kim & Karen You two ladies should be a shame of your selves Put that kind of smut on the D-web . Karen there are some of us out there that are hairlessly challenged. But think about that pic. 3 guys standing around naked drinking beer.And there is only one way I can think of keeping those hat where they are. Only one word comes to mind HOMO. I am starting to see Garrett in you two what will be next flirting with 16yr old boys on this site. Behave   gp (Garrett) Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 08:10 am:    mary. i think i made some smart ass (can you imagine!!) about the south not having any good beers. and another comment about "not getting over the war". all in jest of course and i think he (jake) was a little sensitive about it. i am sure he could care less.......like myself. and karen missouri is the state in the middle with the boot heel in the bottom right corner. haha. the only thing i liked about that state was that it was called the "show me state". never was a good pick up line anyhow damit!! lol. and about that pic....wow....impressive to see you 'ladies' getting a little more aggressive with your postings. very nice. but i would prefer naked ladies with hats on their own 'racks' thank you. in the future think of me when posting. (now no ditry thoughts now) ps: mike. i never hit on 16 year olds here. (camille) lets make that clear!! haha. only 30 somethings from Richmond. i may not appear to have morals, but for some reason i do.   KJ Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 10:54 am:    MTB, Quite right! Kim, put some hat bands on them thar nekkid hats! Sheesh! As for the lack of hair, trust me, that guy shaves, look at his legs. Now, let's see those guys crawl across John's milk truck, just for equal time. Karen P.S. In gp's defense, he only asked Camille for a job...and gratis, too! (G)   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:31 pm:    nice truck   Roverine Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 01:52 pm:    LOL, MTB, whua...??? Starting to see Garrett in us?? ... hmmmmmm, .... you're right, and it's all Garrett's fault! HAHA. Actually, I've got to say, SOME (I swear I'll come after you Garrett if I see any more kitten bashing) of Garrett's pics & posts have given me the loudest spontaneous belly laughs (I know, don't encourage him, hehe). I don't think gp has been flirting with Camille - the mother in me has been keeping an eagle eye on that thread and who is saying what LOL, yeah, that guy shaves, and, I'd have to agree, if I came across 3 guys standing around bare ass 'nekkid', with woodies, I'd head for the hills! HAHAHA. (but they're still not bad to look at, hehe). I think that will fill my qouta of naughty pic posts ... Kim   MTB Posted on Tuesday, May 21, 2002 - 10:26 pm:    Karen & Kim Garrett only asked for a Job. Lets just say this I used to babysit for my wife's 2 kids now stepkids. I was 17 (damn I was a happy teenager) Damn you two making me look closer @ those guys to see if one shaves. As for your 3 studs I still bet the one in ?? does not shave. I have no hair on arms,chest and very little on the legs, hell I don't have to shave for 2-3days and I only started that 3yrs ago.(35 now) SOrry for the nightmares. Garrett I never said you hit on her. "Flirted" in around about way You big Stud.   KJ Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:02 am:    Kim, I take a different tack on this. I mean, if I came upon these three in the woods avec woodies, I'd feel safe as could be. Clearly, I wouldn't be their type, LOL! Heeheehee, we've got Michael taking a closer look....for scientific purposes only, surely. Of course, he's an admitted hairless home wrecker, so who KNOWS what he's really up to (G). As for Garrett, the rotten bugger makes me laugh too, but if you tell him, we're both done for. I won't if you won't, but we'll both hurt him bad if anymore wrong kitten humor crops up, agreed? Karen   MTB Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 12:29 am:    Karen Hairless Home Wrecker. Oh Shit I am still laughing. What can I say. As for checking out the 3 dudes No Woodies here Just scientific And I will stick with that. Now did you say that you need a babysitter for your horses.   Roverine Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 01:39 am:    LOL! KJ, so true ... Kim Guess I'd just head for the hills, for some fun with the Rover   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 07:44 am:    Concerns me bout our fire fighters for sure. Now girls , just imagine one of your boys there with one of the others bent over the hood of that truck giving him the ole prostate check. That should cure you from looking at that pic any further...... Looks like ass miners to me... Kyle   Roverine Posted on Wednesday, May 22, 2002 - 06:08 pm:    LOL, Oh, thanks a lot Kyle, that is a wonderful mental image ... I will never be able to look at that pic again ... Now, to make things worse, I'm out jogging coming down the home stretch, and I see this lone white Ford pick up (almost exactly like the one above, can't look again) coming down the road, and that horrifying mental image pops up in my mind ... Guess it serves me right ... Kim   KJ Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 12:04 am:    I won't let Kyle wreck it for ME, Kim, LOL! And MTB, nooooooooooo, my horses don't need a horse sitter, they are all happily married! LOL! Karen   Rebecca Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 11:35 am:    Hey Dee, I have always wanted to a Great Dane. I know some things but not a lot. I knew a guy who had three of them and his wife had her shoulder dislocated so many times because she insisted on walking them all together. But I am curious, what do you think are the worst things you had to deal with? What do you think are the best features of them? If you had to go back and get another dog, would you still have gotten one? I have heard a lot of things like, they don't live as long because they are so large, they get hip dyslpiasa (I know I spelled it wrong) more frequently. I also heard that they make better apartment dogs because they don't like to run, assuming that the apartment is big enough. I am curious to know what you think. Also, since you have a dane, what type of dog was marmaduke and scooby doo? Oh and one other thing, do they fit in a Disco, do you ever take yours to a rover event?   MTB Posted on Thursday, May 23, 2002 - 06:33 pm:    Rebecca Friends of mine have always owned Danes. The ave. life span would be 8yrs. Yes on the hips but all large breeds can have that problem. Tumors most of thiers were non fatal one. and yes they can pull your arm to the next county. Your looking at 140+lbs on those babies. But no different than any dog you get good & bad dog, in all the catagories (temperment & health. They have a older Trooper and they fit fine. Choose your breeder wisely.   KJ Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:17 am:    MTB, "Choose your breeder wisely"???? After what we've learned about you on this thread????? ROTFLOL! Uh, define "breeder"..... OH! You meant DOG breeder? LOL! Karen ; )   Ron Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:06 am:    Time to let the fluffy puppy out again. Already taught her to retrieve a 19mm wrench. now to teach her the difference between a 19mm and a 17mm Alyssa took her to the shop. She is not to phased by airtools (even the thunder gun ) Yes choose the breeder wisely. Ron   Rebecca Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 08:41 am:    Didn't I mention something about not breeding in one of my comments. I thought I did, could be wrong though, there was so much mud flinging around that I ducked, didn't want to get whacked in the face. I have two cats now, so I am not looking in the short future to get a dane, but I would like one eventually. Ahh I can picture it now, Paul and Garrett fighting over who gets to have her in his tent...I will just have to check Garrett to make sure he doesn't have a bonnet or a little black dress....   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 09:04 am:    That is morally wrong young Rebecca. There are folks out there who would be offended by your perverse ideas......... Paul (dripping with sarcasm)   Rebecca Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:11 am:    I am not considered young anymore, as I just celebrated my quarter of a century mark...and nowhere in any of the conversations that we have ever had, have i ever implied that I was moral...after all I hang out with you.....   Anonymous Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:22 am:    One lab and a Bassett. Just installed the dog guard - to keep the crap in the back from falling on the dogs sitting in the back seat!   Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 10:27 am:    Yes Ma'am! You should change your D name from Rebecca to "Dirty Girl" LOL   Brad Mc (Mcartist) Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:19 pm:    Ok... back to the dogs Here is my pup 5 year old German Shepherd Her ears are so big she slows down the Disco when she sticks her head out the window She is pissed off because my girlfriend makes her wear that red collar during the holidays   Rebecca Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:21 pm:    I may not have morals all the time, but I wouldn't say dirty girl. You were the one with apple pie and garrett has his amish fetish.......I just fell in the uwharrie river.....   Rebecca Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:22 pm:    I am going to add more...even though I will regret this. I have enough morals not to shock the crap out of my dog.   kyle Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 12:44 pm:    Brad ? Can you blame the Dog ? Heather got "The hand" from our Golden last night..... Kyle   Brad Mc (Mcartist) Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:00 pm:    Kyle... dont you meen the paw (lol) and after this pict shes been in therapy (the dog not Stephanie... but Steph is next)   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:31 pm:    it looks like Santa crapped his merry red pants in that pic.   Kyle Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:32 pm:    Oh damn , I am calling the ASPCA,,,,, That poor damn dog , she is dripping with humiliation in that pic.... LOL Kyle   Kyle Posted on Friday, May 24, 2002 - 01:34 pm:    Ron , I have a pic at home somewhere of a little light colored Golden that was just a few months old at the time , sitting in the kitchen sink looking quite pitifull with a big black grease streak down his head.....Its priceless.... Kyle   Daniel Posted on Tuesday, May 28, 2002 - 09:54 pm:    These are my boys. They are regular passengers, but I do have to put the seats down. (the back seats pretty much stay folded)   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:42 pm:    Well, the 4-paw drive Labadorks have to join in the fun as they go everywhere we do: /image{2 dogs} Here is Jack, alias sufer dude, in Japan showing the locals how it is done: /image{Jack} Jaime   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 02:45 pm:      Heather Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 08:00 pm:      Kyle Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 08:17 pm:    Hard to beat that Surfing dog,,,,damn Kyle   Heather Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2002 - 09:02 pm:    those are our babies,,, the one on the right is Einstein and the one on the left is buddy. Buddy is our new furry, we just got him on friday and as you can see they are all getting along just fine ....   Roverine Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:08 am:    Keep them happy dog pics coming! They look like very happy puppers indeed. Kim My ole' pooch always hated the water ... Funny, his 'best friend' was a golden ... we would take them together down to the beach, and he would do his best not to get his toes wet (until our son would wander in ... that seemed to coax him a little)   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 09:18 am:    Kyle - both Labadorks are water addicts. Jack is older and has the surfing technique down pat as it is easier to get to shore. Sorta like body surfing when we were younger. Sweetpea the younger by 5 years hasn't quite figured out the wave technique so she just swims through the waves. It was pretty hilarious to see the Jap kids watch him surf when they were having a hard time even getting out to the waves! Heather - nice bow-wows. ALways felt having 2 was much better than just one. They take care of one another and can laugh together at the stupid owner antics! The looks we sometimes get are priceless. Think all retrievers are just clowns at heart. There is a cool book called "Just Retrievers" that really illustrates this side of them. Jaime   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 10:13 am:      Heather Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:11 am:    thanks James! They are both sweethearts and your right the faces they make are priceless! Einy, the older golden is a real character, I can't even brush my teeth in the morning without him being right there, head proped up on the sink and throwing the sad eyes my way   KJ Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:33 am:    Oh Heather, how cute are they???? Even the pup in the middle is cute (G). Did you go to a shelter to get your new boy, or what? James, great surfing pic! I'm with Kim, keep those puppy pics coming! Karen   Heather Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:07 pm:    lol,,, Karen, I can't even begin to tell ya, they make so many faces, especially the one in the middle . I took my son to his best friends house last friday and his parents were getting rid of him so Kyle and I discussed and and thought we would give it a shot. So far everything is great... Heather   Kim S (Roverine) Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 01:27 pm:    Well, Einstein sure doesn't look too sad about the new bro' - That look on his face is priceless! Kim They're all so darn cute   Heather Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 03:38 pm:    No Kim, not at all. They are both spoiled rotten red dogs   C. Ross Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:29 am:    Woody my 8 year old golden loves the short bus...In this pic he was recovering from trying to retrieve a basketball. It stretched his jaw muscles out and couldn't fully close his mouth for about 6 weeks. Talk about slobber. We had to give him drinks with a syringe... Ross   Susannah Posted on Monday, June 03, 2002 - 11:36 am:    I have an Autralian Shepherd/English Shepherd mix named Mika (meekah=it's an Osage/Ponca Indian word for little raccoon) who loves to ride in the cargo of my 95 Disco. She's 7 months old and whenever you open the rear door, she jumps in ready to go!   C. Ross Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 08:26 pm:    : Here is a pic of our 8 year old Golden/lab mix. Woody (like Cheers not...) loves the D90. Ross   Anonymous Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:33 pm:    I've stepped in way too much dog poo in my own yard and had neighbors dogs barking all night keeping my awake after I've worked all day to understand why anyone would own a dog.. baffles me right to the end. get a cat, at least they bury their poo and they're freakin' quiet.. anon to avoid harassing emails..   Kyle Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:54 pm:    Hmmm , what good is a cat ? Kyle   KJ Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:45 pm:    Kyle, Roverine and I both warn you (and you, too, Garrett!), don't start..... Karen   MTB Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 12:51 am:    Cats HMMM Good Now that is a subject for Trail Cuisine. Cat Kabobs, Cat Chow Mein, Seasame Cat, Mushu Cat, Cat with a Raspberry sauce, Cat Fajitas, cat Chili, the list goes on. I have found that outdoor cats taste gamier then a good old plump house cat. Karen are you going to MAR this Fall maybe someone can cook some up for you. Here Kitty Kitty Kitty   KJ Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:08 am:    MTB, you are a rotten boy. I hope Mrs. MTB doesn't give you any "cat" for a while just for that! Karen   gp (Garrett) Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:49 am:    what good are cats? tennis rackets (back in the day) and skeet shooting!! "PULL!"   James F. Thompson Jaime (Blueboy) Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:15 am:    Question: What do you call a cat with no legs? Answer: Anything you want because it won't come to you anyhow. Jaime   Kyle Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 10:22 am:    ok ok , so they do provide some source of entertainment. I guess I cant argue that.... Kyle   Blue (Bluegill) Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 02:40 pm:    Quote: I've stepped in way too much dog poo in my own yard and had neighbors dogs barking all night keeping my awake after I've worked all day to understand why anyone would own a dog.. baffles me right to the end. get a cat, at least they bury their poo and they're freakin' quiet.. anon to avoid harassing emails.. I agree with everthing said here except for the cat part - cat's aren't much good either. I'm allergic to kitties, but I don't hate them like some of these deranged boys do. In fact, the 22 year-old housecat that I spent a good deal of my childhood with just died last year. And yes, I was allergic to the damn thing for 22 years...shows where I rank in the family... now me, I have a fish.   gp (Garrett) Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 03:00 pm:    anon. what fun are cats? can you take them for walks, hikes, play frisbee with them, take them camping with you, put 'em in the back of your truck, pick up ladies with them or blame farts on them? (not in that order) hell i will scoop up tons of shit before i own a cat. may as well put a rainbow sticker on the back of your disco and wear mesh tank tops. lol. ps: and cat piss......ugh.....i cannot think of a worse smell. anything that craps/pees in my house (even with the aid of a box) will be quickly evicted. well except for me.   Anonymous Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 09:17 pm:    Well, I was just saying that I would prefer a cat, but I do agree that their piss stinks worse than my a$$. But, since I don't own a cat or dog, I'll say that I've never walked out into my yard and stepped in some neighbors cats poo and tracked the shish back in on my carpet or into my Disco, or had a cat keep me up at night barking at nothing. I shall modify my previous somewhat biased statement and say that dogs are great pets for the right person who is courteous enough to acknowledge that they are not the only ones in the neighborhood. If your dog has to crap, let it crap in your front yard so you step in it when you walk out in the morning to get your paper.. blah blah blah. Oh, and how did you know that I wear a mesh tank top and had a rainbow sticker on the Disco.. you know me so well *KISSES* to you!!   KJ Posted on Thursday, June 13, 2002 - 11:23 pm:    gp's got incredible gaydar. Draw your own conclusions about that.... Karen, thinks the Olsen twins chat of his is a flimsy cover story.....bet he LOVES to listen to Liza   gp (Garrett) Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 08:21 am:    what the? haha. i just have visions of some dude listening to Jefferson Starship and dancing with a mesh tank top on, some hightop Reeboks and a cat in his arms. yeah.....draw your own conclusions!! lol. i love mindless threads. i seem to really thrive on them. haha. and annon......   james Posted on Friday, June 14, 2002 - 12:07 pm:    Lady Sasha and Mr. Moca my two boxers (they hate the dog guard)   Anonymous Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 09:08 am:    Garrett, I don't much care for the Starship, I prefer either Loverboy or perhaps some Pet Shop Boys... and I wear my black hightop Reeboks with the velcro at the top   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:52 pm:    \   Neal Glessner (Nealg) Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 07:57 pm:    not everyone can have a wheelin dog like me....   Kyle Posted on Saturday, June 15, 2002 - 08:45 pm:    Its apears to be driving a Jeep Neal ... Kyle   BW Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 02:19 am:    Speaking of old bands . . . STYX is playing locally next weekend. BW