| Author | Message | ||
     Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2002 |
I was out wheeling on FR42 the other day, and started a hill climb that I normally can just cruise right through, only this time, I didnt. I came to a stop, and my front passenger wheel just started spinning. I thought it was odd, so, I tried to back off the hill. It was then that I found out that I had little or no brakes. The pedal went all the way to the floor, and I knew I had lost hydraulic pressure from somewhere. So after getting back to relatively level ground, I started the usual checks, brake lines, reservoir...and found this:  The bolts of one of the caps on the ABS unit had sheared right off. Must have been some insane pressure to make that happen...or just weak bolts. So, it was on this day that I learned the achilles heel of the DII. With no brakes, ETC isn't worth shit on a stick. I am agressively searching for a tcase with a CDL now. Lesson learned. What was it that GW said? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...uh..wont get fooled again" Cheers Jess | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 220 Registered: 11-2002 |
Here is another  | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1923 Registered: 02-2002 |
That is very interesting. The pressure sheared the retaining hardware in half! Better go out and inspect mine. Thanks for sharing Jess. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 464 Registered: 04-2003 |
I'll bet it was fun coming home from FR42 w/ no brakes  How's Brutus? | ||
| June H. Han (Junehhan) Member Username: Junehhan Post Number: 103 Registered: 04-2003 |
That is one reason why I don't understand why Land Rover chose to use an open front/center/rear differential. Without ETC, you are useless, especially if it goes out while you are on a trail. | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 221 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes, 42 with only engine brake, emergency brake and momentum sucked. I have never had to romp this truck over stuff, but that day, it didnt matter...I just wanted off that trail. I drove to the dealership with only the left side of my brakes working. You know how Pima road is...everyone flying, cutting each other off. Not fun at all. It seems that they built some redundancy into the abs unit, because I had SOME brakes (just the left side, I think) Still, such a failure causing the whole traction system to turn to shit is not good. I dont understand why they went open on all three either. Really rather stupid if you ask me. Jess Brutus is great. Looking forward to some nicer weather to take him out on the trails. Interested in making a run, Blue? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 468 Registered: 04-2003 |
sure - we've been flirting with <100 degree days, so it could be time for something local soon. How was the weather on 42? | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 222 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hot. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 115 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jess, Could you send me one or both failed screws? I have a friend that works in a lab that does failure analysis. Either that or I need very clear close-ups of the break. You didn't hear a loud bang when the screws failed? I can't believe the ABS pump generates that much force to pop two, what 6 mm(?) screws. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 116 Registered: 05-2003 |
The company that supplied the ABS to Rover could have been scammed by counterfit hardware. Probably thought they were getting a good deal on "certified" grade 8 hardware. Got mainland Chinese pig-iron. | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 223 Registered: 11-2002 |
Eric, Unfortunately, no I cannot provide you with the screws. Dealer took them and the rest of the ABS unit. There was no noise, or noticeable difference in how the truck drove until I backed off the obstacle. When the thing broke, I was with a buddy that works for Boeing as a stress/failure analysis engineer or something along those lines, and we were looking pretty closely at them. It appeared that the one toward the right was overtightened or something, because it was cleanly shorn. The one toward the left had sort of a peeled off look, suggesting that the right one failed first, and caused the cap to peel off toward the left. The presence of brake fluid further off toward the firewall supports that theory too. Honestly, who knows how it happened. Nobody else may ever have the problem, but I though it was unusual enough to be noteworthy. Jess | ||
| Bill Collett (Bcollett) New Member Username: Bcollett Post Number: 18 Registered: 07-2003 |
Damn vavle blocks. They had to replace the one on my ACE when I got back from AZ. Somehow air was getting into the lines trough the vavle block. Jess, What did the dealer say? | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 224 Registered: 11-2002 |
Basically said they had never seen anything like it before, and that they were happy it didnt happen on a freeway or in an intersection where it could have really been a problem. | ||
| Bill Collett (Bcollett) New Member Username: Bcollett Post Number: 19 Registered: 07-2003 |
Any luck finding a t-case? I'm looking for one too. If I come across any I'll let you know. | ||
| Tom V (Cozmo) Member Username: Cozmo Post Number: 177 Registered: 09-2002 |
Contact George at http://www.roversdownsouth.com/ I'm not sure if he has transfer cases or just whole trannies, but its worth a shot. | ||
| OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks) Senior Member Username: Everythingleaks Post Number: 310 Registered: 10-2002 |
May want to investigate how the CDL works on the factory equipped D2. The new style uses a cable driven activator instead of the linkage. The cable goes in thru the side plate on the front output cone instead of the nipple on the top. You may be able to update your current t-case cheaper and with a lot less effort. maybe onr of the guys from OZ could post a few pics to help you out | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 225 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh, so are you saying I may not need the nut on the tcase? Mine is one of those unfortunate ones that doesnt have the nut on top. | ||
| Bill Collett (Bcollett) New Member Username: Bcollett Post Number: 20 Registered: 07-2003 |
I've been talking with a tech at my dealer about doing the CDL on my 03. He is going to tell me what parts I need when he sees exactly what t-case I have. I going in the early part of next week and will find out the what I need for the cdl. If he tells me I need the nut, then I would assume you can do the nut setup on yours Jess. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 273 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jess, Glad to hear you are ok. That HAD to have been downright scary! Jamie | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 226 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yes, Bill, please do. Jamie. It is only as scary as you let it be, buddy. Jess | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2002 |
You know, come to think of it, I have a friend that got his CDL put in, complete with the D1 Linkage and all from a company in Albuquerque, NM, completely installed for around 1k. I know nothing about the company, but can get the contact info. Email me off list if you want more info. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 482 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey Jess, was that you turning left onto Washington from Priest yesterday a few minutes after 5:00? | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2002 |
No sir, Blue. I usually dont venture into those areas unless required. Seriously. Contact me via email soon. Need to get you involved with AZLRO. Could use some support here. Jess. PS Still looking for that biz-devel beer. Later | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 502 Registered: 04-2003 |
damn, then that was a carbon copy of your D2. ARB front, winch, 3 hellas, no roof rack, hooker in the back seat I'll drop you an electronic mail. Be glad to help get AZLRO goin again. Let's coordinate & discuss over that beer. -Blue | ||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 451 Registered: 03-2002 |
Holy moly, Jess! Geez, talk about "mechanical failure" ... Ditto, to above comments, glad you, vehicle, and anyone else around you didn't suffer carnage. LOL, of course now I'm just itching to run out and take a look at at "Rrrrricky's" ABS unit ... Can't though, because DH (dear husband) is driving the Disco today ... hmmmmm, speaking of DH, he started out as a stress/failure analysis dude with Mcdonnell Douglas (long ago). Think I'll give him some 'stress' to analize when he gets home with my D2. -> "Honey, could you please, please, RIGHT NOW, show me the ABS unit and look at those bolts? ..." Good luck with your CDL project, (a good thing indeed). $1,000.!!! eeek! I just sold the D1 CDL linkage to someone out here for a little over $100. (roughly what I paid for it). Don't know if/how that would work in the '02 T cases ... Kim | ||
| OLIVER CLOTHSOFF (Everythingleaks) Senior Member Username: Everythingleaks Post Number: 318 Registered: 10-2002 |
Sorry guys, I was wrong. The CDL on the 04 still uses the nipple coming out of the top. It is cable actuated though with a bracket bolted to the housing to hold it in place. This should stop the frozen shifter issue that tends to happen to the D1 shifters. The revised side plate may work though. The factory setup just moves a brass collar in and out with the nipple. If you could come up with a new side plate and make it slide the collar it may work. Of course, the parts are not in the t-case to begin with so it may not be practical or just more cost effective to change the front cone. P.S. - the 04 disco has been released | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
A couple of things: I have gotten several emails enquiring on how I am solving this problem. I have been monitoring/participating in other lists, and talking with people about getting this CDL conversion taken care of. Bill at Great Basin Rovers is talking about coming out with a cable actuated CDL system that does not require you to have the 'nipple' on the tcase. I think the setup is similar to Oliver's cable actuated one coming in through the side. For those of us with D2s, it may be worth the conversion. Not sure on what he is asking, price wise. Kim, the 1k conversion gets this: (cut and paste from my friend, Ted, who had it done) "Bill from Bill's European in Santa Fe did the work. Mine was the second truck he has done. He replaced the front half of the T-Case housing with an older LT230 housing, installed the "nipple" and then installed the linkage from a D1." Ted says it works phenominally, and can be used in conjunction with ETC, not necessarily at the expense of it. I agree, a 1k conversion isnt cheap, however this last run in with ETC failure really taught me a lesson on how much I rely on that one system to make this truck work like I want it to. Unfortunately, those are the only two options I know of, short of getting the parts from a junkyard and doing it yourself. Cheers! Jess PS Blue, bizdev beer? Oh...and it wasnt a hooker in the back, that was a drug dealer. The hooker was in the front passenger seat, but you couldnt see her, if you know what I am sayin. Oh yeah...but I wasnt there. I didnt do it, nobody saw it, you cant prove a thing. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 72 Registered: 11-2002 |
I spoke with Bill at Great Basin last week. I'm not sure what his "fix" will be, based on what he described it sounded like he was installing a "nipple" but using the '04 cable linkage rather than the DI stuff. In either case he said he should have the parts list and $$ sorted out by mid-October. |
