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     Neil Lokuge (Neil) New Member Username: Neil Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
http://www.elcova.com/6/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=2826088551&f=5106011751&m=5936002334 Here's a link to this weekends So Cal LR event that Steve attended. Big props to Steve for being the lone H2 amongst a sea of Land Rovers. It looks like he did rather well, Hey LRNA are you listening, how about a rear locker to go with that CDL!!! Great Pics Steve, see you on the trail. Neil | ||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 71 Registered: 07-2003 |
Steve, Congrats on your accomplishment. Maybe you can put to rest some of the criticisms about the H2! Kenny | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 716 Registered: 05-2002 |
Oh Man! I sure hope that nobody from this board was there! Especially since I would like to chalk it up to bad driving on the Rover owners part, and commend Steve on his great driving skills rather than his rig  Curtis | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1972 Registered: 02-2002 |
God, that was a funny read: "Not this Hummer, Not this driver, Not today....it was time to open-up a can of whoop-ass and lay down some sweet Hummer music on these guys." "...I'm going to take my Hummer and eat that hill up like it's my bitch!!!!" "I wish I had a video or pics...but we were busy laying it down." | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 469 Registered: 10-2002 |
seriously? no locked rover could make it up the hill? I find that kinda suprising. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 173 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jack, You have to understand the scenario while reading his wonderful take on things. The hill was not as difficult as it reads; rather there was a serious safety issue. Had something gone wrong there would have been more than just a vehicle suffering. Ron | ||
| Neil Lokuge (Neil) New Member Username: Neil Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yer, the trip was aimed for beginners so I�m sure there weren�t many who new what line to take. I�m far from an expert but with my stock DII I have gone through areas where others with their aftermarket CDL and lifts have got hung up, it�s all about the line. Unfortunately I wasn�t there but I have seen Steve drive and he knows what line to take and how to approach an obstacle. Neil | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 174 Registered: 11-2002 |
There were a total of three lines that could have been taken by a stock disco. It wasn�t about the line Neil, It was about safety. Only a dumb-fuck would run that hill with all those people and rovers waiting right at the base. Only a dumb-fuck would call out to a group of beginners such a challenge. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 175 Registered: 10-2002 |
Damn. That was an, um, undiplomatic post on that Hummer board. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 513 Registered: 09-2002 |
Nah, really? (tongue bitten off) | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 174 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sorry Steve I got the color of your RR confused with the guy with the white one(cant think of his name). At any rate watching him drive and knowing his rig Im thinking that was not him. He does belong to the SCLR though right? | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 514 Registered: 09-2002 |
No prob, your H2 is pink right? And, you're right, that was not the same white RR. Steve | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2003 |
Man, I keep missing you. Im one board behind . I think Ill go work out and get my thoughts straight | ||
| Doug Walker (Dougw) New Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2003 |
I was the trip leader on that run. We had a good # of very experienced LR drivers in the group. What can I say? The hill was perfect for the H2's wide/long wheelbase. The hill was a side trail (optional) on an otherwise intermediate run. The only folks that even thought about it were advanced drivers. The d90 took the wrong line -- he is a very experienced driver -- and nearly rolled her. The short wheelbase didn't help. My 110 did it in June with open front and rear diffs, and two out of three LRs that tried it made it all the way. The H2 had the rear locked up tight. IMHO, any rear locked vehicle could ascend this hill without much trouble. Fortunately the tie rod on the H2 didn't pop! IMHO, the H2 thread is way over-dramatic. It was an entertaining day in the life.... Doug Walker | ||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 72 Registered: 07-2003 |
I think most would agree that the driver is more important than the vehicle in most cases. I mean, a driver with no sense of line, throttle, approach etc. won't necessarily survive even in the best of vehicles. Kenny | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 175 Registered: 11-2002 |
Come on Little "shortcomings". Come and play. Signed Pathetic. Next time you challenge and find yourself challenged don�t back down. | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Senior Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 443 Registered: 01-2003 |
Okay I wasn't there, and I think H2's are fine,and I don't want to own one but to each his own. I have to wonder though about this; "... The H2 came right up through the first nasty section with no hesitation at all. My back end was getting air here and there...but I kept my line and drove the hill. There was never a hestiation, not an single instance of problem...the H2 ate through that hill like Rosie O'Donnel at a buffet: UNSTOPPABLE...truly Like nothing else. We blasted our way right upto the top instantly....not a single tire-slip. The crowd went wild and they cheered me..." So I turned around and went to the other side of the same hill. I proceeded to go right through it without a problem...only this time I decided not to do it all pretty and gassed my way like a hog gone wild to the top of the hill...where I greeted the hill-top people with a rousing "ya'all can kiss my Hummer ass!!!!" just before my dust-cloud came upon them and dusted 'em..." The part where the rear was "getting air" sounds like to get a H2 up the hill requires lots of trottle, beating on the truck and luck not to screw anything up locker or no locker. A good Jeeper friend of mine used to say, "... you can gas your way through almost anything, but is that what you want to do? Eventally you'll break something or tear up the trail enough to get us all kick off ..." I agree a H2 would kick most LR's asses in mud or when you want to hammer head over stuff, but I don't think if you choosen to buy a LR that's your driving style. On a sub-note, we need to spice up the language here on dweb, that encove post was sure dramatic! Made me feel like I'm boring, ho hum off to drive my disco. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 176 Registered: 11-2002 |
"H2 up the hill requires lots of trottle" Andy, your on the right track Signed Pathetic | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 176 Registered: 02-2003 |
Andy--- Thats who it was Scrover. I dont know if its the same Andy but thats who I was thinking of in the white RR Ron, When are you comming down from Oregon for some fun | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 177 Registered: 11-2002 |
I'm down here right now Kevin... I was there... Before you take this in another direction let me make myself clear, this is not about capability, it�s not about H2, and it�s certainly not about Driver capability this is about his SHORTCOMMINGS. I now better understand why it�s so difficult for him to find people to wheel with, why he is so proud to go to his reunion in his H2, and especially hide behind his board. No matter at how you look at a HOT DOG, its still a weenie ;-) | ||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Senior Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 444 Registered: 01-2003 |
Not the same Andy, Red D1, and I live in Utah. Also what is a stock H2's articulation numbers vs a discovery's? If your hammering up something, lots of travel doesn't do a whole lot. I've seen trailered in Jeeps in Moab not making up hills that stock Chevy long bed extended cabs go up without issues. It's a wheel base thing ... I would understand... | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2003 |
Ron ROTFLMBO. No agenda on this end I love going out with whoever. Anytime on the trail is better than time on the couch. BTW what are you saying? | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 178 Registered: 11-2002 |
To clarify, his judgment is clouded by his Napolean Complex. He knows of his problem as it is clearly noted on his lic. plate frame. We can play anytime Kevin. Anytime. I understand you do not have this syndrome. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 517 Registered: 09-2002 |
Not only that, Kevin has a urinal. | ||
| Kahbahzahkee (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 564 Registered: 02-2002 |
And he figured out paragraphs. There may be hope yet.  | ||
| Kevin Bridges (Craniac) Member Username: Craniac Post Number: 178 Registered: 02-2003 |
Paragraphs? Hey not only that I use the space bar after commas and periods See how these things work to bring things back togather. Its good to hear from you guys, when can we do it again?? | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 518 Registered: 09-2002 |
Anytime Kevin. Hey you don't happen to have a porta-urinal do you? | ||
| Kahbahzahkee (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 566 Registered: 02-2002 |
Kevin- We must wheel again soon. I want to wheel with an H2 driver who's got nothing to prove and no hidden agenda. | ||
| Doug Walker (Dougw) New Member Username: Dougw Post Number: 13 Registered: 08-2003 |
Man, and I thought Dweb and EE were tough crowds. That is some deep doodoo over on the water board.... | ||
| Alec Wallis (Alec_w) Member Username: Alec_w Post Number: 43 Registered: 05-2003 |
There really is no need for this to get ugly; I am posting this on both sites because I thought we had a common goal Wheeling �stories� are a lot like fishing �stories�, the rocks were bigger, the hill was steeper, the gap was narrower, the other guys didn�t catch shit and I am the man. Steve thinks he was the man that day. Maybe he was maybe he was not, I was not there. I can tell from Steve�s original post that he was very proud and excited about his day. I can talk from experience; I have gone out with a bunch of guys I don�t know before who are skeptical about H2s, it�s not easy (Brian F, I was scared shitless about running Holy Cross with you guys). Steve, you are a true ambassador for the sport of wheeling. I truly hope my truck is fixed by Friday so I can meet with you and your club on Sunday. That is all. IMO this hostility was preempted by others by a reaction to an excited Steve R. Alec | ||
| Kahbahzahkee (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 568 Registered: 02-2002 |
SteveR an ambassador for the sport? I beg your pardon Alec, but if reckless showboating, loudmouthed shit-talking and flagrant antagonism makes a good ambassador, then we will continue to see trails closed and lands taken away from us. SteveR is a piss-poor representative for H2 owners. He claims he was teased. So was Craniac, as I'm sure he will admit. The ribbing went back and forth. The difference between the two is that Craniac checked his ego at the door, and wheeled instead of showing off what his truck could do. Naturally, we were impressed with the truck's capabilities and he showed me up many times that weekend. But, unlike SteveR, Craniac felt no need to rub it in our noses. In the end, the impression Kevin left on all of us at Truckhaven that weekend was that he was a class act and was truly a good representative for H2 owners out there. | ||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 459 Registered: 03-2002 |
SteveR, Where were YOU that weekend (March) in Truckhaven?? It was an open invitation. This "King Of the Hill" thing. I can't believe you chose to go out on an LR club event with 30 plus trucks, and behaved like an ignorant teenager. What really disturbs me, is what you, as an "ambassador to the sport" are going to do/have done to White Mountain. You have much to learn. Tell us, what experience (beyond your H2 purchase) do you have "as a trail leader" in navigating the wilderness & deserts? All I can say is at leat Kevin is a true/class act. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 179 Registered: 11-2002 |
""IMO this hostility was preempted by others by a reaction to an excited Steve R." Alec, you said it yourself you were not there, so your opinion is worthless. You should be proud that the president of your club represented you in such a professional manner. His behavior as president of reflects on all of you. That's the worst part of it. You all lose as a result. All he has to do is apologize for his actions. But he wont, he is too busy with his own "shortcomings". | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 342 Registered: 02-2003 |
From Steve R on the H2 BBS: Okay guys....let's wrap this up and bring an end to the festival of hostilities. I'm really not happy with the way things have developed on this forum or the DiscoWeb. For the record, I have not actually been kicked off the Dweb.....I simply cleaned my computer and removed a bunch of "cookies", the site just doesn't recognize me and I don't recall my password. They say hindsight is 20/20. In reflecting back I have to admit that openly challenging the crowd seemed a bit over-the-top...but you have to understand the preemptive elements that led to that situation: I came to that event with the sole intent of perhaps finding a new trail for our group to run AND to just get out and have some fun. I had no other agenda. Yes, I was heckled, teased and given a hard time about the H2. It was annoying, a bit rude and provoked me a bit. Heck...just after being introduced some guy (Ron???) in the crowd suggested giving me a sticker that read "I wish I had a Land Rover"...and everybody laughed. The joking continued...much of it done face-to-face as people checked out the H2 (and so Scrover & others may not have been aware). All this teasing didn't exactly promote my keeping a humble composure. I kept it mellow and rolled with the punches. I went up that hill with only one intent...to get up it and make it safely. I went straight up with no problems at all. When I got to the top it was evident that I would have to be the first vehicle to come back down....and so I turned around and proceeded down. To this point everything was just fine. They cheered me, I got congrats and all was well. It was when I got to the bottom that some jerk (Ron??) heckled me by telling me that I had been lucky and that I had taken the easy way up. Okay...THAT'S a freakin' challenge and something I wasn't about to swallow. You say that to me or any other guy and you're gonna get a response. I turned around and proceeded to repeat my ascent up the right side of the hill. My reference to "tearing" up the hill was in regard to speed and authority...not actual damage to the terrain. I probably had the least impact on that hill that day. I then turned around and came back down. When I got to the bottom I thought it would be funny (and shut the heckler up) by running backwards a bit. It was quick, brief and maybe 1/3 the way up. I then got out and asked if anyone else wanted a crack at the hill. Yes, it was (in hindsight) a bit obnoxious. I'll admit, I got caught-up in the adrenaline and was riding on a victory-rush...much like the football player who runs the ball into the endzone. All things considered, you can't tease a guy a whole bunch, heckle him and then belittle his accomplishment by telling him he was just lucky and took the easy way. Bottom line: the heckler deserved the attitude and not the entire crowd. What's worse, most the crowd was not likely aware of all the crap I was being given.....and so I can understand the title of....how did Scrover put it....ah yes..."arrogant dick" being bestowed upon me. For the record, I much prefer arrogant Prick....or bastard. Scrover actually seemed like a real cool guy...he (earlier) waved at me, gave me a smile and greeted me with a deilghtful english accent. I've got no beef with ya Scrov...just please consider the pressure & grief I was operating under. I was really there to have fun, be helpful and enjoy the day.....what I got was less then...well, you know. As for my "write-up", Alec is right....it's much like a fishing story....I sensationalized it and fertilized it rich with humor. It was an entertaining piece intended to bring home some pride to the home team. We've taken some nasty heat from attacks...it seemed like a triumphant story to enjoy. It's probably not the best read for a diehard LR-fan.....but this is an H2 forum and it's quite tame as compared to some of what I've read abroad. I believe an understanding of my perception explains much of my behavior that day. I really had no hidden agenda and actually sought to avoid competitive confrontation...some of those Defenders looked pretty fierce! Doug was, and is, a complete gentlemen. He was very graceful in extending to me an invitation to their event and I appreciated the opporutnity to meet some new people and check-out some fascinating rigs. I appreciate the backing some of my forum-buddies have given me, but now it seems like a good time to bring to a close the bickering I seem to have initiated. We're all better people then this. As Scrover says....PEACE. For my part I will apologize. - Steve - Axel | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 343 Registered: 02-2003 |
And that is the end of this discussion. - Axel |
