| Author | Message | ||
     Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 49 Registered: 06-2003 |
I am currently negotiating for a set of 16" wheels. Now I want an aggressive set of off road tires for them. I have 33" AT's as a light trail/street tire. Is anyone here using Jungle Trekker 2 tires. They are available in 33/11.5/16. Where is the best place to get them? Or should i go with Super Swamper boggers 33/12.5/16. is there a dealer in the NJ area for these? I am not too concerned with a perfect fit. thanks -Rick | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 112 Registered: 05-2003 |
Get the Boggers! -Jim | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 51 Registered: 06-2003 |
What is the best/cheapest place to get them? 4wheelparts has them for $182. -Rick | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 1155 Registered: 02-2002 |
If you have a US source on Simex Trekkers or Centipedes - clues us all in! Bill | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 126 Registered: 05-2003 |
Rick, I bought my BFGs Mud Terrains at OK Auto 4 wheel Drive and Tire in Stewartsville, NJ (Warren County, Route 57). http://ok4wd.com/ (908) 454-6973 I paid $100 a piece for 4 tires (old style, but I could care less). Ask for Jason | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 498 Registered: 04-2001 |
Boggers are coming or now come in 33x10.50 and 35x10.50 if I were not an underprivledged law student I would get a set to keep up with Bill B and his TSLs The 33x12.50s are WIDE and those lug will tear into the fender if you do not trim enough. Ron | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 356 Registered: 11-2002 |
boggers are really hard on hardware with there irregular lug pattern down the side get some baja claws.....they acctually ride pretty good and have awsome traction | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2003 |
I like wider tires, check out the minimar thread in trails sectoin to see a picture of me sinking to china in a mud pit. I am going to extend my radius arms. I am running 11.5" wide AT's and there is about .5" of clearance between the fender and tire, so a 12.5" wide tire would be .5" wider on each side and hopefully clear, but i am still going to extend the arms and get a set of spacers. 35's sound awesome and when these tires are run down, i will probably put on 35/12.5/18 BFG MT's. as far as simex tires, i searched the web and found an importer in fl. http://21st-century-tires.com/simex/suvspecs.html but they have yet to return my e-mail. thanks for the help -Rick | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 358 Registered: 11-2002 |
keep looking  get new rims...18" are currently pretty limiting for tire selection | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 56 Registered: 06-2003 |
Thom, Do the claws come in 33/11.5 or 33/12.5? I looked at them and like them, but dont think they have the size i want. I have 16" rims on the way, but i really like the 18's and more tires are gradually coming available for them. -Rick | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 124 Registered: 02-2003 |
I have run/drove on the TSL Radials, Boggers (not my rig) and, now on the Simex Centipedes (a.k.a. ET). The Boogers and the ETs are in a different league, since a) they are directional, and b) they are GREAT. The TSLs I am not too fond of. A buddy of mine has JT2s on, and he loves them, they're the MOST aggerssive tire you'd enjoy on both street and offroad, so best for ONE set of tires. If you do have a second set, I'd go for Boggers or ETs. Boggers had a bad side-grip, but that is debatable, they have nice sizes nowadays. The ETs are great, and I was driving up ledges with only the center diff locked (rear open) when an equal Disco on 33" Trexus fully locked (whithout my nice cuustom articulation ) was having trouble. If you're willing to go 33s, I'd suggest to pack it up and work for 35s, the feeling is GREAT. Rocks become the pebbles and boulders become the rocks. | ||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 399 Registered: 05-2002 |
Next Time around I am going with the 35 inch Extreme Trekkers. I have some things to do in the driveline anyway and I may as well upgrade the broken stuff, as the aftermarket is cheaper than LR. I have seen some pretty impressive things done with the Simex tires, and I like the option of choosing the aramid side layers. I know those tires are around the states somewhere, and if not here, they can probably be had in Canada or South America. Cheers, Kennith | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2003 |
Some guy in a Burgendy RR classic that participated in an All-Rover comp in the US was running 35 ETs. Forgot his name, but he frequents the Pirate4x4.com site. | ||
| Chris von C. (Chrisvonc) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Chrisvonc Post Number: 280 Registered: 07-2002 |
I assume you already know Simex tires are not DOT approved. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 126 Registered: 02-2003 |
Chris, I know that they are not DOT approved, the guy was running them for offroad use only. | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 96 Registered: 07-2003 |
Why waste money on Boggers? If you are going to have a set of "Off-Road only" tires go with a Bias Ply Swamper, if you want a duel purpose tire (On and off-road) go with something like a BFG Mud since the XZL's cannot not be found. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 128 Registered: 02-2003 |
XZLs can be found at EE (www.expeditionexchange.com) "Waste money on Boggers?"...comon...for bias swampers? IDEALLY, I'd recommend he go for 33x12.5 Boggers rear and 33x12.5 TSLs front...nice nice | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 360 Registered: 11-2002 |
I have owned boggers and I have owned BFG MT's and to use them in the same sentence is just ubsurd! I will and due use bias ply baja claws and they are better then anything I have had to date. | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 97 Registered: 07-2003 |
If you go here http://www.expeditionexchange.com/michelin/ you will see the XZL's are out of stock, and have been for a while. I'm not saying you cannot get them, but for some reason it's hard to do in the US right now. Boggers suck, period. I can say that because I have used them before. They look cool, but they ride like shit, suck off-road, they do alright in mud, but they only last about 10,000 miles with off road use. A bias ply swamper at 6-12psi will do far better than any bogger. But, then again they suck on the road. I have never owned a set of BFG muds, but I have seen alot of people running them, and they seem to be a good tire. Unless you are going to run two sets of wheels and tires, BFG seems to make since too me as an all purpose tire. Even though the XZL's are something like 225.00 per tire, the mileage you get out of that tire is unreal. I dont think the XZL is an ultimate off road tire, but looks to be another good choice for an all purpose tire. Other than the bias ply swamper the only tire that I have seen come close to its performance off road is the BFG Crawler. But, I don't think they make it in anything smaller than a 35". | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 501 Registered: 04-2001 |
"A bias ply swamper at 6-12psi will do far better than any bogger." LOL Ron | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 60 Registered: 06-2003 |
looks like im back to square one. What swampers are bais ply other then the ltb? most of my off-roading is mud, water, and sand which is why i was thinking the boggers. XZL's are military and all of them are probably in iraq now or ready to go wherever needed. -Rick | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 365 Registered: 11-2002 |
32 11.50 16 mickey thompson baja claw...you would be very happy if you want a very off road minded directional tire with very acceptable highway manners | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1093 Registered: 02-2003 |
thom, do you need fatter rim for that claw? what's minimum? rd | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 370 Registered: 11-2002 |
I run my 35 13.50 15 claws on 8" rims on my scout ,I would think the 32/11.50/16's would work perfect on 7" rims. I like the smallest rim width that you can get away with,that way at real low pressure off road the tread is flatter. You also get the benifit of less lost beads on the skinny rim. I would dive right in on 7" rims , then flex it up and see what you get. you wont be let down off road. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1100 Registered: 02-2003 |
except for the blown bead interesting just the same. i'm not interested my self but just thinking about it. i'm going with a 255/85. i'd like a 33" x 235wide if i could find it. rd | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2003 |
Rob, have you checked these out? http://www.intercotire.com/html/special_service.htm Rick, "What swampers are bais ply other then the ltb?" http://www.intercotire.com/html/tsl___sx.htm "most of my off-roading is mud, water, and sand which is why i was thinking the boggers." Boggers are good in mud, like I said. I don't know much about sand. But, these tires are not very good on rock, or pawing out of ruts. There were two guys at MAR with Boggers. One Rangie and a disco1. I saw the GY MTR's, XZL's, and the Interco M/T's do better on steep hill climbs. Could have been the driver's, but never the less they had trouble. | ||
| Milan (Milan) Senior Member Username: Milan Post Number: 280 Registered: 10-2002 |
Super swamper TSL, LTB, SX and Bogger are all bias ply. For off road only I'd pick the Bogger any time (we don't have many real rocks or much sand here), especially for rutty trails. The bias ply Mickey Thompson Claws come very close to the Boggers as far as off-road performance goes but their true sizes are quite a bit shorter than advertised. Their 33 is like a 31 and 35 is more like a 33. Don;t know about the 38s. BFG MT sucks. MT/Rs are excellent but not good in mud. BFG Crawler seems to be excellent but very limited in sizes so far (35x13.50R15, 37x12.0R17 is all we have here). Its tread is very similar to Michelin's XZL. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 945 Registered: 02-2002 |
Milan, "BFG MT sucks" LOL. They have great tough side walls, they do very very well in mud, and they last 40-50K miles on road. How in any way does that mean they suck? | ||
| Milan (Milan) Senior Member Username: Milan Post Number: 281 Registered: 10-2002 |
In ways that Swampers TSLs, SXs, Boggers, MT Claws are better in mud, and so are BFG Krawlers. GY MT/Rs are better on road or off in anything but sticky mud and get great mileage too. "Great tough sidewalls", now that's a reason to LOL. All of the tires I mentioned have way stronger sidewalls. I'm doing this with toung in cheek, BTW. But while I used to be a BFG MT fan I think there are many new tires now that are quite a bit better. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 948 Registered: 02-2002 |
No doubt that boggers and the others you list there are better in mud. But then are you gonna change 5 wheels every time you go offroad? Or wear them out $$$$$$ in just 15K miles? No, realistically the BFG MTs are a truly outstanding combination. I have never heard a bad thing about them from those who run them. So they don't suck, period. | ||
| Milan (Milan) Senior Member Username: Milan Post Number: 282 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well I ran them on 2 vehicles and my friends run them and right now I would not buy them unless they were the cheapest tire I could buy. If you compare them to cheap brands they suck as they are usually no better than something like General Grabber MTs or Bridgestone Deulers off road or on. At least around here. Yet they cost almost as much as Goodyear MT/Rs which are much better IMO. The BFGs are horrible in snow, which we have a lot of here. So in short they still suck in my book. If I want a good on-road only tire, I'll go for that long-wear attribute of a BFG AT, sure. But the MTs don't fill a void for me. They're neither here nor there. There are better off-road tires than those. So if I could be bothered to swap tire sets, I'd have better off road tires and ATs for on-road. If I could not be bothered to swap I'd have a better all-around tire like the MT/R (that's what I actually do run for that reason). If I wanted all arounders that are better than BFG MTs in not just snow but in mud also, I'd run General Grabbers. If I wanted and all around tire that's good on road and better in snow/rocks/dirt and has strong sidewalls I'd pick the MT/R. If I could get BFG MTs cheaper than General Grabbers or Bridgestone Duelers, I'd get the BFGs. The side walls of General Grabbers are thin compared to the MT/Rs, Swampers, Krawlers, etc. But so are the BFG sidewalls. Even with all their hoopla about how tough they are. They're not bad tires but out of those mentioned I do consider them worst bang for the buck, and pretty good in everything but not really best in anything, so they'd be my last choice. A true compromise tire. If I'm to pay premium for tires they'd better deliver something the other tires don't have. I don't think the BFG MTs do that. Don't forget Dean, it's just my opinion backed by what I experienced. Your experiences may be different. And no doubt others have their own too. You like the high highway mileage, I don't really care as after 25K all tires seem to loose their off-road performance quite a bit. And a mud tire at less than 40% of its tread usually sucks off road. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 949 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, I'll give you this: they DO suck on road, especially in the wet. But with the new side treads on the KM version which came out 2 years ago the side wall is very much strengthened with tread, and in mud they do great for an MT that lasts well on road. And I know they have a good following from other people I've spoken to. I was not objecting to your opinion, except that to simply state that they suck may unfairly put people off on otherwise awesome tire. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 758 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ever sipe them? Works great. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 951 Registered: 02-2002 |
No its too late. Unless someone can sipe them after they've been driven for a while? | ||
| Milan (Milan) Senior Member Username: Milan Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well and I was just offering an opinion on the other side of the spectrum. People have to make up their own mind anyway. What works for one person does not necessarily work for another. Siping works for most tires, I'd say. Siped and studded General Grabbers were the best all-around tires I have tried yet. Siping helped wet pavement traction regardless of the studs and the studs hepled on ice and also with climbing out of muddy ruts. |
