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     John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 186 Registered: 08-2002 |
Boston not only lost this game but showed what losers they really are, by throwing at batters, and grounds crew attacking pitchers in the bullpen! The Yankees not only won the game, but showed the whole fucking town what class is! Like em or not, the New York Yankees are a class act! They should change the name to the BOSTON LOSERS! They don't need any curse, they simply SUCK and should be ashamed of themselves. And Pedro Martinez is a REAL MAN beating up on a 72 year old man. He couldn't have just moved out of the way??? What a BIG PU**Y! Y A N K E E S ! ! ! ! How ya doin??? | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Member Username: Newman Post Number: 248 Registered: 04-2003 |
Whoa, man, wait for the caffeine buzz to wear off before you post that....  That said, the game was every bit the battle it was hyped to be. Clemens was masterful and Martinez pitched well too -- this is gonna turn into a classic series unless something changes... Andy | ||
| Robb Sundmaker (Robb) Member Username: Robb Post Number: 95 Registered: 03-2002 |
Class is not using the f word. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 113 Registered: 05-2003 |
Robb, I agree with you, but he's a Yankee fan you see, they don't do things right. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) New Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2003 |
Must be something about the blood in a Yankee fan ...My husband, whom is a Yankee tried and true, used that f word several times in a row after that incident with Pedro. I must say, it even got me a little riled up to see that! It's as if Pedro hit my own grandpa...what a loser. | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 188 Registered: 08-2002 |
LOL, WE don't do things right? You're right Jamil, you guys do things right! As for caffeine, caffeine had nothing to do with it! It really burned my ass when Pedro threw the Zimster to the ground! That was TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR! The guys Seventy two years old and you NEED to throw him to the ground??? Class is not throwing at batters in frustration! Class is not grabbing a 72 year old man by his face and throwing him to the ground!! And Class is the grounds crew members NOT attacking the opposing teams relief pitchers in the bullpen! Anyway you slice it, that's embarrassing! And if I were a boston fan I wouldn't get on ME for cursing, but then again I wouldn't expect anything less from a boston fan! How ya doin? | ||
| Robb Sundmaker (Robb) Member Username: Robb Post Number: 97 Registered: 03-2002 |
John, Sorry I even said anything. When I saw your post I was interested in what you had to say about the game since I had not seen it. Then when you cursed you lost me. No big deal. | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 189 Registered: 08-2002 |
No problem Robb, I usually don't have a difficult time with words and can express myself without the use of profanity, but I hate to say it ,sometimes it's just fitting! LOL I'm not the bickering type and I don't use this bulletin board, or any other, to pick fights. I do love sports and find myself getting VERY carried away, but I do have a sore spot for this type of uglyness in sports. There is no room in this sport, or any other, for this type of behavior! Children need to learn to compete fiercely then, win or lose, respect the other team/teamates. How can we expect them to learn this lesson from this type of behavior??? I can only imagine the frustration red sox fans have, but defending this type of behavior is unsportsman like, to say the least! The Yankees players/organization have done things that I'm embarrassed of, but I don't defend them when they do. And if a member of the Yankees grounds crew were to attack a relief pitcher in the bullpen, he'd be fired, arrested, and brought up on criminal charges. The Yankees organization doesn't support or advocate that type of behavior. I don't have a problem with fans rooting for there team but that type of behavior is nothing less than embarrassing! That organization should be ashamed of themselves! | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 55 Registered: 06-2003 |
Fenway park is a joke, just like the redsox. I know 4 security guards at fenway. I go to school up there and local students who are fans work their. it was only a matter of time before it broke down. They are good guys, but their management sucks. I was at the games at yankee stadium, and boston fans up there were surrounded by professional security and riot police were around the field. as said after the game "an incident like this would not be tolerated at yankee stadium." pedro should be fined if not thrown out of the game. Zimmer is 72 for christ sake. And can anyone in boston explain to me why boston fans destroy cars and burn things when they win? -Rick | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 481 Registered: 10-2002 |
"I'm not the bickering type and I don't use this bulletin board, or any other, to pick fights. " lol. I think we need a little more light here gaffer, you clearly can't see the obvious too well. | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 571 Registered: 08-2002 |
-Boston fans destroy things when they win because they aren't use to winning. -Let's not forget that Zim also coached the Sox for a little while, many moons ago. -The Yankees/Redsox will probably go down in history as THE best rivalry in any sport, anywhere, anytime! -Even if the Redsox won a few World Series, they would need like forever to catch up the the Yankees 26 WS Championships. -Yankees vs Cubbies in the WS.....could be the biggest interest WS in many years. I would even like to see the Cubbies win, just cuz they never have, and I've been a Yankee fan since, well, let's just say I remember the monuments still being in play at Yankee Stadium! -If you think yesterdays game was a bru-ha-ha, wait until tonights game! It is going to be intense! | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 190 Registered: 08-2002 |
LOL, I here ya Jack! But throwing down the Don was the last straw!!! LOL Like Rans, I also find myself rooting for the Cubbies. I usually root for the underdogs so being a Yankees die-heart is difficult. And Rans, let's also not forget that the Zimster was hit in the head by a pitch when he played, and was in a coma for two weeks! (thus the plate in Uncle Zimsters head). I doubt that the uneducated, no class, pedro martinez is aware of this or any other bit of baseball history. He should've been ashamed of himself, not threaten to throw at batters heads! Accident my ass! He's a LOSER in life AND baseball. He was scared shit of the Yankee line-up and proved it by throwing nothing but breaking balls! No match for the speed and power of "The Rocket"! Another great player the Sawcks had and chose to get rid of. And red sox fans actually brag about how violent fenway park is. How stupid is that??? This is suppost to be a game! You know, something to share with your kids. That whole organization is a disgrace to the sport! The park, the fans, and the team! What a joke! Now excuse me while I go root for my JETS, Another classy New York Organization. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 482 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, Your posts fail to convey much more than your convoluted understanding of the word "class". Unfortunately, your fondness for the term does not carry with it any sort of appreciation for the concept or its merits. Class, style, manners and etiquette are the characteristics which define a person's behavior and asthetic. They are the finer points of self image which we pursue in the interest of our companions NOT ourselves. Class, style, manners and etiquette exist in order to enable us to make those around us most comfortable and able to experience the most enjoyment that we can afford them through our personal behavior. These are qualities towards which one may aspire and strive, but they are not labels to be worn like medals. Those who posses these qualities would never use them to promote themselves and they would certainly NEVER attempt to indicate their absence in any other person. To attempt to slander our belittle someone else by describing their lack of class is the antithesis of class, style, manners and etiquette. These qualities are not ranks or titles to be bestowed or displayed. Rather they reflect an attitude which seeks to act in consideration of ones companions at all times. Draw from this what conclusions you may be able to. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1019 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yanks are awesome. After that whole fight everyone in my floor came in to see what was wrong. I was yelling as loud as I could and cursing up a storm. Padro is a good pitcher, but he is an asshole. How could someone do that to Zimmer? That is horrible, I wish there will be some action taken against Padro by baseball. I think it would be awesome for the cubbies to be in the world series. I am a yanks fan, but I think I would also what the cubbies to win. It has been a while since they have won much. | ||
| noel Bond (93dico) Member Username: 93dico Post Number: 86 Registered: 06-2003 |
"world series." Where,s the rest of the world come into this??????????? | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2002 |
Jack, I hate to say this but I think you're missing the point entirely! Your posts fail to convey much more than your convoluted understanding of the word "class". Unfortunately, your fondness for the term does not carry with it any sort of appreciation for the concept or its merits. Give me a break! LOL Are you serious??? Class, style, manners and etiquette are the characteristics which define a person's behavior and asthetic. They are the finer points of self image which we pursue in the interest of our companions NOT ourselves. So please, point out to me how this was shown by pedro martinez's actions? How about his finer points of self image??? Was it him grabbing a 72 year old man by the face and throwing him to the ground? Or maybe it was his throwing a fast ball 90 mph at the opposing batter in frustration! Or still yet, maybe it was his threatening to throw yet another fast ball this time at the head of the other teams catcher!!! Those who posses these qualities would never use them to promote themselves and they would certainly NEVER attempt to indicate their absence in any other person I don't play for the Yankees! I'm not employed by the Yankees in any way! It's not the Yankees saying they are a class act! It's me, a fan saying they handled themselves in a very classy way, in a situation that could've quite easily, in a macho attemt to "save face", turned into an even uglier scene!!! Is "Class, style, manners and etiquette" one word? You seem to have a fondness for grouping them together, and as far as I can see, they're four different words with different meanings. One can refer to someone whose attire they admire as having STYLE. One can think that someone has MANNERS by them removing their hat when entering a building. One can feel a person has good ETIQUETTE if they chose the correct fork to eat their salad. CLASS a number of persons or things regarded as forming a group by reason of common attributes, characteristics, qualities, or traits. excellence; exceptional merit. Elegance, grace, or dignity as in behavior. The best or among the best of it's kind. A meeting of a group of students for instruction. Speaking of which, this one is over! Hope you were able to learn from this. Yankees! How ya doin??? | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 192 Registered: 08-2002 |
Oh and, I think you might need a recess counselor! | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 573 Registered: 08-2002 |
John, Even as a Yankee fan, and not at all pleased about that whole brawl on any level, I still find myself wondering what 72 yo Don Zimmer was trying to accomplish when he charged Pedro Martinez. Regardless of his age he was the agressor in this and has to accept much of the responsibility for finding himself on the ground. I love the Zimster, but I really have to look at this objectively. On the point of the groundskeeper attack int he bullpen, I haven't seen any followup to this, but they said on ESPN SC Saturday night that the 2 pitchers may well be charged for assault for starting the bullpen brawl. I know when I saw the photos of that melee that the groundskeeper had footprints down the back of his shirt. I'm not saying who is ultimatly responsible for that brawl, I will leave that to Major League Baseball to investigate. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 483 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, You are like a child who wanders into his parents' dinner party banging pots together because he's not ready to go to bed. | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 193 Registered: 08-2002 |
jack, "You are like a child" I won't resort to name calling, see above definition of class, but I understand your need to. "you clearly can't see the obvious too well" You were right, but now I do, and I won't waste any more of my time. I must admit you had me fooled into thinking you were a grown-up (must've been the dictionary, nice touch). Rans, As far as Don Zimmer attacking anyone, I find it hard to believe that pedro couldn't have just gotten out of the way. That, in my opinion, would've been the right thing to do. I'm not defending Don Zimmer at all. He was wrong in resorting to physical violence to solve this problem and should be fined by Major League Baseball. pedro martinez was not defending himself when he grabbed Don by his face and threw him to the ground. I feel that Baseball and Don Zimmer deserve alot more RESPECT than pedro has/had given them. Total disrespect for the game, total disrespect for a retired player of the game, and total disrespect for himself. Charles Barkley said once that he didn't ask to be a role model when he was playing basketball. I disagree, being a role model comes with the uniform and paycheck! If you don't want to be a role model, don't play the sport! Is it too difficult to conduct yourself in a respectable fashion??? If so, get a real job with a real paycheck and see how long you last. As far as the groundskeeper not starting the brawl, that's gonna be very difficult to prove. As far as I can see, he jumped into the bullpen, attacked the first pitcher he could find, then proceeded to get the shit kicked out of himself. Did you see it differently??? How? No Yankee went into the stands and attacked him. And how about a blood test. I bet his BAC was off the charts! All while on the clock as an employee of fenway park. I bet he's touted as a hero to those LOSERS! The red sox and their fans need to understand that one can lose without being a LOSER. And as far as Major League Baseball taking care of the problem, since when? These problems have been going on for a while and they haven't done anything yet! I could tell you this much, the Commissioner of the National Basketball Association has it much more difficult than the Commissioner of Major League Baseball. I know David Stern personally and, say what you want about the man, he doesn't take any shit from the players. He runs a tight ship, and brings down the punishment quickly and swiftly. Baseball should learn from his example because this is getting out of hand. And to think, baseball is suppost to be America's game. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1020 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well Zimmer did the right thing after and said he was sorry. Thats more then you can say about those 2 boston ass holes. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 254 Registered: 04-2003 |
True. Only thing worse than a Yankees fan or a BoSox fan is a Cubs fan...that's all I'm going to say. Andy | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2326 Registered: 10-2001 |
sorry, but the all-time worst fans are NJ Devil fans. (yes i realize i am changing the subject to hockey) i get chest pains thinking about it. | ||
| Rob Goodall (Lobster) New Member Username: Lobster Post Number: 11 Registered: 06-2003 |
Zim was way out of line! He searched Pedro out and tried to smack him. Good for Pedro! Go sox. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1023 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well maybe if Padro did not try to hit a Yankee in the head with a ball and then taunt him, maybe Zim might not have done that. Padro should have moved to the side or avoided him, not throw him down Rob. At least he got fined, but he did not get fined enough. Stupid boston people. Jack would you define zimmer's apology as class? He knows he did something wrong and said he was sorry. Not trying to start anything, just curious. | ||
| Joshua (Joshua) Senior Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 386 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rick..are you sure you know what you are talking about here? enlighten me, when you say: "I know 4 security guards at fenway. I go to school up there and local students who are fans work their. it was only a matter of time before it broke down. They are good guys, but their management sucks. I was at the games at yankee stadium, and boston fans up there were surrounded by professional security and riot police were around the field" If what you said is the case, I wonder what "we" were all doing at fenway? I know I wasnt enjoying a beer and a dog. Your post went from giving shit about the sox and what occured the other night ( which even as a hard core sox fan, I agree was a little stupid on everyones part), to being a moron. Lets just say, I hope your not driving that black lifted d2 with a big roof rack and mudders, with jersey tags 'round my city..Your Tag doesnt happen to be 284G does it? | ||
| Joshua (Joshua) Senior Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 387 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh and John, dont you feel stupid now that it has come out the Yanks started the bull pen fight? | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 485 Registered: 10-2002 |
I knew there must be some particular reason you're so intelligent Joshua and I found it in your profile. If you're a red sox fan with a 97 disco and a Chocolate Lab you've already got it all figured out. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 263 Registered: 04-2003 |
Somewhat off topic, but who saw the dipshit Cubs fan take away an out that continued a long (8-run) inning for the Marlins in tonight's game? LOL -- I love it when the Cubbies lose... | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1024 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yanks won, HELL YEA! | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 197 Registered: 08-2002 |
Joshua, "dont you feel stupid now that it has come out the Yanks started the bull pen fight?" By "come out" do you mean your fellow boys in blue having said THEY SAW Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia attack Paul Williams unprovoked? Gimme a break!!! "feel stupid?" No, not even a little bit! The red sox whole organization SHOULD feel stupid for the way they're acting. Big bunch of sore LOSERS! The city of Boston and it's fans deserve better representation than this! And I'm not talking about winning and losing. Throwing at batters in frustration, throwing a 72 year old veteran of the game to the ground by his face, employee of the ballpark attacking pitchers in the bullpen, and worse of all, not only NOT appologizing for any of it, but crying over the ass whipping Mr. Williams got. No city deserves to be represented like this! Me feel stupid, no Josh I don't. | ||
| Tim (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 577 Registered: 12-2002 |
O.K. GP that's it, I coming off the porch. Don't blame every Devil's fan for your chest pain. I have never been to East Rutherford but up here in the sticks we cheer them on in a very civil manner.... O.K. that was a bad choice of words, but you get my point.  | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 582 Registered: 08-2002 |
John, Once again I am a longtinme Yankee fan, but I like to think I can see things objectively instead of only thru pinstripes lenses, can you? On the bullpen issue, as I understand it the groundskeeper was stationed in the Bullpen all along. He had support signs for Boston with him and was waving them at the Yankee Pitchers everytime Boston did something good. Both pitchers asked him to stop as he was distracting them from their warmups, but instead of stopping he got more animated until they attcked him. Both the groundskeeprs and the pitchers are in the wrong. On the Don Zimmer/Pedro matter, regardless of how Pedro defended himself, Zimmer had no right attacking him. Zimmer admits it and apologizes, why is it difficult for you to see it? I believe Pedro throwing at Garcia is the starting point of the whole ugly episode, and apparently so did the League who fined him $50k for his behavior. I never thought I'd see that day when I'd be commending Roger Clements for being the best behaved player during a Yankee/RedSox basebrawl, but he deservs the credit! | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 269 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hold off on that credit until after Game Seven tonight -- might get kinda ugly if someone gets a lead... Andy | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1027 Registered: 11-2002 |
It also might get ugly if Pedro tries to hit a Yankee in the head with a ball...... | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 274 Registered: 04-2003 |
True, true, true. It'd be nice to see the Rocket knock down the first batter or two when the Sox bat in the top of the first....I would LOVE that! Because pitching inside is a part of the game -- throwing behind someone and then taunting him and the opposing bench afterward is not part of the game... | ||
| Tim (Snowman) Senior Member Username: Snowman Post Number: 581 Registered: 12-2002 |
The best baseball I saw in 2003 was my son in the Little League All-Stars, pure baseball! | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2003 |
The only thing more absurd than Yankee's Fans railing against "classless" Red Sox Fans, is Red Sox Fans railing against "classless" Yankee Fans. I have seen some horrible behavior from both sides, and neither crowd has a reputation for being "nice" to each other. It's one of sports' greatest rivalries for a reason. Neither side has done a lot to deserve getting up on their high horse. As far as the Pedro/Zimmer and Garcia/Groundskeeper incidents go, I'm startled that anyone with an ounce of objectivity would think that they are so black and white. From my angle, it sure looked like Zimmer charged Pedro head down, fist up and Pedro deflected him off to the side. Then Zims fell down. Tough break, but a guy his age shouldn't be charging out for a fight and expecting a hug just because he's a senior citizen. As far as the Garcia/Groundskeeper incident goes, it sure is sounding like the Yankee guys decided to do a little damage. warranted or not, it certainly isn't how professional athletes should be conducting themselves. I expect that once the series is over, the Boston PD will make us all very clear on what ACTUALLY happened and end the speculation. Jroc, The fact that you think it's all so one sided and black and white only illustrates your bias. you're welcome to it, but I think we'd all be better off putting our negative emotions aside and just try to enjoy what has got to be one of the best playoff series EVER. | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 583 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well put David! | ||
| Rob Goodall (Lobster) New Member Username: Lobster Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2003 |
Kudos! | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 200 Registered: 08-2002 |
Rans, I used to work at Yankee stadium and know for a fact that, as far as security, they don't tolerate ANY bullshit! The level of professionalism has reached an all-time low when we don't see anything wrong with groundskeepers employed by the stadium to taunt and ridicule opposing pitchers in the bullpen! Certain people employed by the stadium have to have access to areas that are off-limits to the fans for obvious reasons. These people (employees) MUST behave in a civil manner! They are representing the Stadium, and the Team, and are expected to do so in a civilized/professional manner. The tension is usually very high on the sidelines, dugout, benches and it's difficult enough to keep the fans in check without having to worry about employees. Yankee stadium used to have a problem out in the bleachers years ago with fights and general ill behavior. They put a stop to all that and enforce the safety of EVERYONE at the game. I have a co-worker who is a diehard red sox fan, and he's told me that Yankee stadium is nothing compared to Fenway park. Not in terms of intesity but in terms of safety! sox fans actually brag about fenway park being a violent place to root against the opposing team! Talk about wearing something as a badge??? Should players be allowed to beat the crap out of a groundskeeper because he's taunting them? Of course not, he shouldn't have to. The groundskeepers and everyone else employed by the stadium should conduct themselves in a professional and dignified manner. If they're having a difficult time doing this, then the police should step in and help them, before it becomes a problem. This didn't/doesn't happen at Yankee Stadium. As far as Don Zimer and pedro martinez incident I think it's a joke to say pedro was defending himself! If Don was his grandfather would he have behaved the same way??? If your grandfather came at you would you grab him by his face and throw him to the ground??? That's not the way I was raised, and maybe it's asking alot of someone to treat older/elderly people as if they are your own family, and be a little more tolerant of them, but I don't think so. Why is it difficult for YOU to see this??? Not to mention the fact that Don is a former player who helped build the game that allows pedro to make a VERY COMFORTABLE LIVING! My brother in law runs the Retired Players Association for the National Basketball Association, and I see this type of blatant disrespect for the game and it's former players far too often. pedro martinez is a LOW LIFE and showed this by the "incident", but this wasn't enough. One could argue that it was the heat of the "battle" and he got carried away when he saw someone charging him and didn't realize who it was, and wasn't thinking straight at the time. But why then did he NOT appologize for the "incident" the following day? Or the next day?? Or the next??? You know why? Because he didn't think he did anything wrong! And neither did a few people on this board! Wanting to not believe a player from your team did such a stupid/classless act is one thing, but defending this stupid/classless act is entirely another! It's very difficult to be a fan and root for a team that isn't winning or hasn't won in a while, believe me I know, and I'm reminded everytime I go to a Jets game or a Rangers game. When Roger Clemens threw the bat at Mike Piazza I was totally embarrassed as a Yankee fan! My father (who happens to be a Met fan) asked me what that was about, I didn't have an answer. It made me embarrassed that a player representing a team that I'm a big fan of did something so heinious as throw a bat at the opposing batter, obviously in frustration. Some would be quick to point out that this particular player formerly played for the boston red sox, where this type of behavior is more tolerated. And does ANYONE think that the first pitch Roger Clemens threw after pedro hit garcia was ANYWHERE NEAR hitting manny ramirez??? Or was that a attempt at defending his masculinity which would've been in jeopardy had someone viewed him backing down from Clemens??? Not only do I think the latter, but I think this had alot to do with setting off the tempers. manny ramirez should've been penalized for overeating to a pitch that was obviously NOT an attempt to hit him, and being the spark that encited a already volatile situation. In other words Low Class Macho Punk! I too was proud of Roger Clemens behavior. He conducted himself like a real gentleman and deserves the title athlete. And YES one can look like they are up on a pedestal/high horse when others behave in a way that puts them BELOW the surface! Unlike Andrew I'd feel horrible if Roger Clemens intentionally threw at any of the players on the red sox! That would bring us down to that level! I expect that once the series is over, the Boston PD will make us all very clear on what ACTUALLY happened and end the speculation. In other words the Police Department whose job it is to enforce safety and security of the ALL the people at the game? You want them to make us clear on what happened??? You expect them to tell us that they didn't do there job of preventing a situation in the bullpen? Or you want their keen observation of what happened? If they didn't see all the taunting that the HIGHLY PROFESSIONAL groundscrew was supplying then how would you expect them to see what happend? Or they saw the taunting and did not perform their job of alleviating a possible situation? Either way it's a BIG JOKE! How about the possibility that these Highly Trained Professional Police Officers are most likely PSYCO redsox fans? Anyone think this is a possibility??? Gimme a break! David, I am bias to the Yankees but I'm allowed to be, I'm not an employee of the Yankees or Yankee Stadium! And if by putting my negative emotions aside, you mean act as if these actions that are ruining the game of baseball aren't happening, then No I won't do that! And believe me I am enjoying the games anyway. And as far as one of the best playoff series ever, it will be scared by these senseless incidents. And Tim, I'm glad you had a wonderful experience watching your son play ball! Young minds can get confused when watching adults behave like spoiled brats on the field! Especially when it's done without repercussions or god forbid praised! Losing does't make you a LOSER and Winning doesn't make you a WINNER! YANKEES... How ya doin??? | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1030 Registered: 11-2002 |
YANKS WIN!!!!!!!!! WHAOOOOOO | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 203 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hat's off to the Boston Red Sox, they played their hearts out! Especially the bullpen, totally outplayed the Yankee bullpen. Tough break. And did anyone else notice Joshua, a die hard red sox fan and member of the Boston Police Department, threaten Rick Neff? "Lets just say, I hope your not driving that black lifted d2 with a big roof rack and mudders, with jersey tags 'round my city..Your Tag doesnt happen to be 284G does it?" Or maybe that was ALSO my black and white, one sided view of that statement! No member of the Boston Police Department, who's going to make us all very clear on what actually happened in the bullpen lol, would conduct themselves in this manner??? How about Jack Quinlan commending him on his intelligence immediately following this threat??? Nice work! And Rick Ness I don't know if you guys know each other and are just playing, or if this was an actual threat, but if it is watch your back. It's very brave of you to put your full name on your description but be careful because Joshua didn't. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 486 Registered: 10-2002 |
John, I'm still trying to figure out which makes you sound more moronic? 1) Your ideas or 2)your spelling and subject/verb agreement Thus far it had been as close as the ALCS, but just like the Yankees, your ideas edged out the competition at the last possible moment. | ||
| David Morin (Sporin) Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 59 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jeez Jroc... bitter much? Yikes! You team WON, didn't it?? I said you were allowed your feelings on the matter, just as I'm allowed to think you are wrong. Say la vie! I'm perfectly happy to agree to disagree. | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 586 Registered: 08-2002 |
Just a couple of points John, then we should end this by agreeing to disagree. First, I've seen the Yankees Security forces at work, they would make the Gestapo blush. I saw a guy with a banner walking around the mezzanine at Yankee Stadium and watched with horror as 5 yankee Security guards descended on this guy and beat the shit out of him to a point where he had to be taken out on a stretcher. Draw your own conclusions. Second, I never said anyone was right in the bullpen situation, they were both wrong. The groundskeeper should not have taunted and the pitchers should not have become violent. Childish behavior on both accounts. Third, the pitch from Clemens that set Manny Ramierez off was not his first pitch to him, it was the 3rd or 4th pitch, and I agree it was not even close, it was laughable how far from close it was. Ramierez overreacted, and was at fault, no doubt. I don't care if Don Zimmer is 185 years old and is the Pope....he had no business losing his cool and charging Pedro. Just as Pedro is responsible overall for everything that happened becuase he beaned Garcia, and just as Ramierez is responsible for charging the mound, and just as the groundskeeper is responsible for taunting, Zimmer is responsible for the fracus with Pedro. Don't be so blinded by your Yankee loyalty that you can't see that. As I said before, even Zimmer realized it, why can't you? Congrats to both teams for a VERY exciting ALCS. Special congrats to the Yanks for not quitting! THE YANKEES WIN!! THE CURSE LIVES!! The WS will be a let down. |
