| Author | Message | ||
     Scott Ritzer (Truck603) New Member Username: Truck603 Post Number: 10 Registered: 07-2003 |
What is it that actually causes a lean in the Discovery aside from a bad spring? If it's so common wouldn't Land Rover fix it. Would the cause also make lift springs sag? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 671 Registered: 04-2003 |
it's a spring issue - shorter springs on the passenger side it's by design, so a "fix" is not really appropriate | ||
| john heath (Jheath6) Member Username: Jheath6 Post Number: 77 Registered: 09-2003 |
why do they put a shorter spring on the passenger side | ||
| Jeff Johnson (Jefferson) New Member Username: Jefferson Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'd love to hear whether this is a D1 issue or a D2 or both. I had always heard the D1's lean on purpose but that the D2 do not. Mine, a 2K D2, definitely leans towards the right front pass side. I have asked the dealer and they say "all discos lean". Is this a cop out? Anyone else heard the same about D2's? | ||
| john heath (Jheath6) Member Username: Jheath6 Post Number: 78 Registered: 09-2003 |
did they say why the lean is on purpose | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 672 Registered: 04-2003 |
D1: The original location of several components, coupled with the right-hand location of the driver (UK) necessitated taller springs on the driver's side to compensate for the increased weight load on the springs. I have no idea about the D2 - your dealer is probably just saying it because the saying is cheap and new springs are not. At least that's the info I've gathered on the "lean" issue. Someone correct me or add to it if I'm wrong. | ||
| Bazzle (Bazzle) New Member Username: Bazzle Post Number: 32 Registered: 09-2003 |
If it bothers you just swap springs over. Bazzle. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2331 Registered: 10-2001 |
i have never seen a D2 lean. or if it did it was much more insignificant. my D1 still leans witha 10mm trim packer. gotta love it. | ||
| john heath (Jheath6) Member Username: Jheath6 Post Number: 81 Registered: 09-2003 |
so if i put on hd springs and shocks this will level it out? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 674 Registered: 04-2003 |
only if you buy a matched set of OME's from Expedition Exchange. Otherwise, OME duplicates the lean with their springs. Monkey see, monkey do. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 260 Registered: 04-2003 |
Get "matched" OME springs from EE. Or load down the "high" side of the truck with the stock springs.  Seriously, it's not a big deal -- just makes an already unique vehicle more unique! | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 807 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yea, you're going to find all kinds of things about Discos that make them "unique". | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 371 Registered: 11-2002 |
Blue when i said this the sky opened and rained eggecated ekperts saying that it "isnt part of the design" Thom | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 675 Registered: 04-2003 |
I read somewhere (maybe GBR or somewhere like that?) that some components (transfer case?) used to be more to the right side - add a driver and you have a lean with matched springs. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 372 Registered: 11-2002 |
put my fat ass on one side and my wifes 110lbs on the other..... ..it dosent take much | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 676 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL, my criteria for women in my life depends on whether or not they'll even out my disco lean. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2335 Registered: 10-2001 |
i am hoping you are talking about multiple women blue. one riding shotgun and the other at your 'six'. more the merrier. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 808 Registered: 09-2002 |
six, three, twelve, five, nine, two...I'm with Garrett, more the merrier. | ||
| Jeff Johnson (Jefferson) New Member Username: Jefferson Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
So if I have a D2, and it is definitely leaning, I checked with a ruler, about an inch, passenger right front, the consensus here seems to be it is not 'normal' as the dealer would like me to believe. Should I make an issue of this as I am still under mfr warr as well as a 1 year certified warranty? If I can get it fixed I'd rather have it done on thier nickel, not mine. Not to nitpick here but hey, if no one else with a d2 has this issue then I need it fixed. I am sure the dealer would fight me tooth and nail though, saying I am 'misinformed'. All Disco's lean. I smell cop out. Opinions? | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 54 Registered: 11-2002 |
If you have SLS, it needs to be re-calibrated by dealer. It's a problem with the air suspension. That's what happened to me. 2003 DII w/SLS | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2002 |
My '95 leaned from new. My '02 only leans a little, if at all. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 677 Registered: 04-2003 |
Jeff, you have one secret weapon you have not employed yet. When your dealer says, "All Disco's (including D2's) lean", simply ask "Why?" One can assume a limited number of possible responses from the dealer. If he says, "Your D2 was designed that way," then ask why it wasn't leaning when new, and why other D2's aren't leaning. If he says "I have no clue," then you know further discussion with this individual is futile. If he says, "Your springs are simply sagging with age & use and it's not covered under warranty," then you must reply with, "Thank you very much" and go home. Then call John or Ho at Expedition Exchange and get your suspension upgraded and your lean permanently fixed with a set of matched springs. You must use rationale thought to get to the bottom of these issues, only then will you be on the level road to inner peace. | ||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 809 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ahh, Grasshopper Jeff, Grand Master Blue has spoken... | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2052 Registered: 02-2002 |
The Pig used to lean. But then I picked up the horn and called John at EE. He prescribed me a set of Old Man Emu Springs and shocks. Now the Pig does not lean and chicks dig it | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 681 Registered: 04-2003 |
My Whale lists to starboard because I purchased unmatched OME springs & shocks prior to EE Enlightenment. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2339 Registered: 10-2001 |
that's only becuase you are big boned Paul. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2053 Registered: 02-2002 |
Then why was it leaning toward the passenger side? Can't blame Sherman, he only weighs 84 pounds. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 682 Registered: 04-2003 |
because you're so light on your feet | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2054 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! | ||
| Jeff Johnson (Jefferson) New Member Username: Jefferson Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2003 |
Whew. Not trying to beat a dead horse here, but- Regarding SLS calibration, since mine is an SE7 I believe all SE7's have SLS, this could be an issue, but doesn't the SLS only regulate the rear springs to offset the load of jump seat passengers? If mine is leaning specifically on the right front front, would a calibration still fix? I hope so- I'll ask, just wish the dealer would at least consider looking at it for me since, you are correct, none of the other D2's on the lot are leaning and I am still under warranty- Thanks all- | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 684 Registered: 04-2003 |
don't worry about it, Jeff. You have a legit question, and your dealer's response is indeed a cop-out. Just ask him to be straight-up with you. | ||
| Brian (Bthaxton) Member Username: Bthaxton Post Number: 43 Registered: 02-2003 |
This is a cut/paste of the Technical Service Bulletin (TEC640196) that relates to the "lean": Suspension - Vehicle Not Sitting Level 16/02/96 64/01/96/US SUBJECT: Steel Sprung Vehicle Not Sitting Level MODEL: Discovery AFFECTED VEHICLES: LP LHLJ All LD DETAIL To properly diagnose a vehicle for complaints of vehicle lean, follow the procedure outlined below. ACTION REQUIRED Upon customer complaint of vehicle lean, follow procedure below. PARTS INFORMATION ANR3477 - Brown/Green road spring NTC8572 - Pink/Red/Yellow road spring PROCEDURE 1) Verify tire pressures and tire condition. 2) Remove any heavy cargo from inside the vehicle. 3) Place the vehicle on a smooth level surface. 4) Measure and record the height of each wheel arch from the center of the wheel, using a meter stick. Determine the height difference between each side of the vehicle. The allowable specification for this difference is a value of 12 millimeters. If the vehicle fails to meet the specification, proceed to step 5. 5) Place the vehicle on a lift and verify that each road spring is: a) Properly seated. b) Correctly identified by color, refer to Workshop Manual section 4 for spring data. 6) Inspect for any damaged suspension components or accident related body damage. 7) Disconnect the front and rear anti-sway bars at the chassis. WARRANTY: Normal warranty policy and procedures apply COMP.CODE: 5P1A SRO: 64.20.01/03 - Fit right rear road spring if necessary 0.50 hr. 64.20.01 - Fit left rear road spring if necessary 0.50 hr. 8) Lower the vehicle and measure each corner again. If the height difference for either axle has not changed significantly, use the information below for correction purposes. For all other cases, refer the Technical Hotline for assistance. When the vehicle has been found to lean towards the passenger's side, replace the right rear road spring with part number NTC8572 Pink/Red/Yellow. NOTE: Starting at VIN SA119523, the rear road springs were changed from single to dual rate. If you are working on a vehicle beyond this VIN, you must change the left rear road spring back to the single rate spring ANR3477 Brown/Green when installing NTC8572 Pink/Red/Yellow. DO NOT FIT ANR4352 WITH ANY OTHER SPRING ON THE REAR AXLE. |
