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     Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 62 Registered: 10-2002 |
My check engine light keeps coming on with 'catalytic flow levels low' or something like that. So today I was under my truck today banging on my cats too see if they would rattle(they didn't). While under their I noticed that my passenger side swivel ball was half covered in oil and there was a couple quarter sized pools under it. Now about 4 weeks ago my abs sensors started to freak out and kick on while going slow and stuff.. typical problem. So I pulled the sensors out, looked at them, and replaced. 2 weeks later same thing, but this time a narrowed it down to the passenger side sensor. When I put the sensor back in 2 weeks ago the little rubber ring on the top was looking pretty bad. So I think its leaking from up there if that is possible? heres my questions: 1. Can I still drive it? not far or anything, but to the store and stuff.. its my only transportation. 2. Having just past 100k miles should I take it all apart replace seals and repack bearings ( maybe that'll fix my shakes?). Or have it done if this is too hard for a newbie. After reading archives it sounds doable. 3. The sticker under my hood says something about genuine swivel house grease. So I figured It had grease in it. but maybe not? 4. Some one have pictures of what this all looks like inside? I don't even know what a bearing looks like  5. what kinda synthetic fluid do you put in differentials? | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh and it s a 96 D1, for got that  Thanks. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 524 Registered: 04-2001 |
Jack up wheel, if you can shake the wheel with it in the air you have issues and I would deal with it then. If not you could pull the ABS and drive it, but you lose abs and risk futher damage. At the very least top up the swivel ball with oil. If you do not know what a bearing looks like maybe you should take it to a mechanic. Ron | ||
| Edward Bibb (Heirless) Member Username: Heirless Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2003 |
ok.. what type of oil does this require? | ||
| Jim Macklow (Macklow) New Member Username: Macklow Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
I have the same problem... pulled the ABS sensors out of the front of my D1. Drained and refilled the swivel balls. After driving a few miles oil was spewing out past the ABS sensor seals. This little operation was instigated by a lit ABS light, and after driving through some deep water the passenger side swivel ball was spewing oil. I have to replace a wheel bearing and brake rotor on the drivers side so I'll redo the seals then, since the dealer wants $32 for each abs seal. For my '95 D1, I just use the same oil I use in the differentials... 75-90 gear oil (or something like that). Your rig might have the grease in them, but if you're getting pools of oil dripping out of your swivel balls you probably have the gear oil. Probably you should drain and refill the swivel balls. | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 64 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ok, as far as shaking the wheel in the air, I can move it, but just barley. Its sutch a small movement if it were any less you wouldnt be able to tell at all. Is this about normal? | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 65 Registered: 10-2002 |
Swivel ball is draining thick milky black stuff with a few chunks in it... I guess I need to go buy that $32 seal from the dealer tommarow. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 204 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ok, once again, I'm sure some of the people really want to help, but....... Here goes.... Your wheel bearing, the reason you are shaking the wheel, has not one frigging thing to do with you leaking grease. It is totally seperate unit in the hub. Here is what you do. Call you favorite, handy dandy Land Rover parts guy. (I like Rovers North or EE) Get your ABS seal, get a tube of One Shot grease, and one really cool sticker. Have them over night this. Do NOT drive your buggy!!!!! You are going to explode your cv joint if you keep driving it. So now you got your box of goodies. Put the seal on. Dump about half a bottle of 80 wt gear oil in the swivel ball. Now drive for about 20 mins to mix all that stuff up. Drain the ball. Do it again. You may have to use some compressed air to blow the chunks out as it is draining. Feel like you got all the old grease out? Good, now put the One Shot back in. This is the important part, take that high speed sticker and put it on your truck. It will tell you friends that you are a force that can fix his own truck. That and chicks dig land rover stickers. Good luck, Bill | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 525 Registered: 04-2001 |
Bill, That probably won't fix his whole problem, in fact it probably won't fix anything. You really need someone in there who knows what they are doing to fix it. Pools of oil from an ABS sensor seal is not likly with grease in there. Odds are it is the swivel ball seal itself and odds are good that it is caused by a corroded swivel ball. They ABS light is a seperate, but possibly related issue, and could be any number of things, but just replacing the seal will probably not fix it at the very least you need to also replace the bushing too. The reason I had you shake the wheel was to check to see if the wheel bearings were loose/damaged or the swivel pin bearings were loose/damaged. These are both quite dangerous and would cause an ABS sensor fault. Like I said, take it to someone who has a clue. Where are you? Maybe someone is local and can help. Ron | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2002 |
Well I have been wanting one of those new EE stickers. ;) As corroded, the one that leeks at the abs seal is perfectly shiny not one spot on it. Outher side is a bit pitted though,black spots on it. :/ not mutch fluid drained from it either. Is there anything that can be done for the pitted one? maby buff it clean.. I drained and filled a couple times on bouth. Was looking cleaner afterwords. I do like doing this stuff myself. So more I can do the better Thanks for help so far guys. I'm In San Antonio, Texas... if any 1 would like to help. | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 1173 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jesse - it is VERY unlikely that the ABS sensor seal has gone bad. It is normally an indication of one (or more) of a couple things: 1) Blocked breather - this could be the issue since you are blowing oil from both the swivel sean and the ABS sensor oil seal. 2) Worn upper (or lower) swivel pin. If the swivel pin wears and begins to gall both the pin and the bushing, it allows gera oil to be forced upwards past it. 3) Corroded/pitted swivel - this is very obvious to see now from the outside. Keep oil in the swivel and you'll be fine for the very short term. You really need to do a complete swivel teardown - if you feel you are capable, take it all apart all the way back to the axle housing - replace every seal, check the CV, check and repack or replace the wheel bearings, etc. It isn't that bad a job and you'll learn alot about how your truck works in the meantime. Seal kits are available from Dap, RN, AB. Oh yeah - unplug your ABS pump until you get this done. Ignore billh13 above as you really need to check out the entire swivel as Ron mentioned. Bill | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 209 Registered: 03-2003 |
So let me get this strait, you are saying that he knows the abs sensor seal looks bad, it wasn't leaking before he took out the abs sensor and now that it is leaking he needs to do an entire swivelball rebuild!!!!!!! "1) Blocked breather - this could be the issue since you are blowing oil from both the swivel sean and the ABS sensor oil seal." -This is GREAT advice and is compleatly possible. Do this before anything else. Cheap to check. Find the end and blow. Should feel like blowing up a ballon. "2) Worn upper (or lower) swivel pin. If the swivel pin wears and begins to gall both the pin and the bushing, it allows gear oil to be forced upwards past it." -You just lifted your wheel up and wiggled it no way it could be the pins bad. The play is the bearings, you'll get a little. Might want to repack later. "3) Corroded/pitted swivel - this is very obvious to see now from the outside." -Grease will be at the ball joint not on top. You can take it to the Rover Dealer and he'll jack you for $1100 bucks as Ron suggested. For we all know that if you don't work at Land Rover you must know nothing of how to work on your own vehicle. All Land Rover Dealers are honest and trustworthy they know all there is to know about your truck. Just ask anybody on here, there has never been horror stories of the Rover dealers jacking them around. You know the your truck did not leak before pulling the ABS sensor out, now it does. Check the axel breather if it is not the problem then, fix the abs seal and save yourself a bunch of wasted time. For some reason people want to give the worst case for all fixes. Post when you fix it, so we know. | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 68 Registered: 10-2002 |
Thanks for the reply Bill. I'll order the parts today and have a try at taking it appart. Should be fun, just have to make it through the week. The rubber seal at the top of my abs sonsor is pretty wasted looking. I kinda messed it up while prying out the sensor... I have a copy of a 95 workshop manual on my computer, it seams like every thing is about the same for swivel balls on 96. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 212 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jesse email me at bhowell@marion.k12.ky.us if you have any questions. I'll try to help any way I can. I have rebuilt both swivelballs and cv joints. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 378 Registered: 11-2002 |
billh13 people are not giving worst case advice what many of the people around here give is "check everything and become more aquanted with your truck advice. these are very very basic trucks and with just a little knowledge you can prevent ALL the horror stories. instead of squeeze some one shot grease in there and be done. people will say take it completly apart and make sure its 100%. and because of the cost of worst case scenerios...that is good advice MM | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 216 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sorry, I work under the motto "If it ain't broke, don't tear it up". There is no reason to rebuild the motor if you have a flat tire. Sure the motor would be better off if its got 75,000 miles on it, but you still got 50,000 or more left and still have a flat tire. Sure if you are going to replace the swivel seal, replace all the seals in there while you got it apart. Only makes sence and just did so myself. I tinker with my truck all the time, but when it is broke I don't have time to play. I'm sure others that post are the same way. They are looking to fix what is broken, now. There is no reason to make your wife load up the kids and take you to work at the crack of dawn because you are doing a swivel ball rebuild because the ABS seal leaks. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 380 Registered: 11-2002 |
well get used to lots of problems on the trails, 4x4's are just that way if you stay on top of things you will be fine. If you just keep putting band-aids on things and crossing your fingers then you will tear things up | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 218 Registered: 03-2003 |
So what your saying is, 1) If you are out on the trail and the ABS seal starts leaking you should; A) Tear down and do a compleat swivel ball rebuild right were you are. 'Cause there is a chance that something in there might break sometime in the life of the vehicle. B) Call Land Rover and have them come pick up your truck because "they know what they are doing". Now your friends will began to make fun of you because you can't fix an "o" ring and you are $1000 bucks in the hole thanks to Land Rover Service Dealer. C) Find a "O" ring stick it in, drain and fill, and on the way to the rest of the trails. While hot, large breasted women oogle over how nice it is to see a man who does not have to take the whole front end out of his truck for a 10 minute fix. 2) When at your house and the ABS sensor seal is leaking you, A) Tear down and do a compleat swivel ball rebuild right were you are. 'Cause there is a chance that something in there might break sometime in the life of the vehicle. To hell with the fact that you can't go to work tomorrow because you have the whole damn truck laying in pieces and it is now midnight. B) Call Land Rover and have them come pick up your truck because "they know what they are doing". God forbid the fact that the swivel ball is 1950's technology (older IS better!). C) Find a "O" ring stick it in, drain and fill, and on the way to work the next day. There is a place and time for preventive maintenance and there is a time for fixing the problem. I'm not talking about duct tape and bailing wire (which I have done to get home). | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 299 Registered: 04-2003 |
So what you're saying, Bill, is that there are no white hot, large breasted women at your house, only on the trail? Andy | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1132 Registered: 02-2003 |
bill, your time will come. | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 1186 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL - I wasn't going to respond, but..... #1 - the ABS sensor seal is not an o-ring - if you had rebuilt swivels like you mentioned, you'd know this. The seal is a full blown oil seal with spring in a completly static application (ie: no moving parts). If you know anything about oil seals, the chance of one failing in this application is about as close to zero as you can get. This is barring damage from someone tearing it up with a tool. So - that points out that something else is probably the problem and while dumping gear oil in will hold it for a bit, the original problem must still be discovered. You make a swivel rebuild sound like it's putting men on the the goddamn moon - it's not that hard or exceptionally time consuming and really doesn't take that much $$ to replace all the seals (but does take considerably more if you need to replace swivel pins and bushings). Finally. I'm betting that at 100K it needs swivel preload reset anyway, so best time do that is with lots of nice new, or at least inspected, parts. Nuff said. Bill | ||
| Jim Macklow (Macklow) New Member Username: Macklow Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hmmm, I did the exact same thing that the original poster did (removed ABS sensor). I drained/refilled the swivels. Drove around for awhile, and went through some water. Next morning found pools of gear oil under the swivels. Drained oil from swivels, one side was milky. Drained oil from diff, oil was clean. Blew through vent hose on axle, no clogging. Cleaned swivels with degreaser, refilled swivels and diff. Test drove, noted that oil was leaking from around the ABS seals. Looked in manual, noted that "bush and seal must be replaced if ABS sensor is removed". From these clues I determined, in my case, that the ABS seals were indeed the source of the leak. Since the original poster experienced oil leaking from the swivel balls after similarly stating that he removed the ABS sensors, I posited that his ABS seals were likely the culprit. Although the original poster's description of the bad "seals" seems like he's describing the top of the sensor, not the seal the sensor sits in. Maybe he'll let us know what the problem was. | ||
| Jesse Lessard (Jlessard) Member Username: Jlessard Post Number: 69 Registered: 10-2002 |
Originally It was just the top of the sensore on passenger side. But when I drained the outher side, hardly anything came out and lots went in. Since filling, its been extreamly leeky from the swivel seal. I'm gona go ahead and take it all appart friday as soon as i get off work. Then I'll know how it all works will take some pics and let you all know how it go's. BTW, first time i'v order from Discount Rovers. Great service from them. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 220 Registered: 03-2003 |
I have not replaced the seals on my ABS, not sure what it looks like. It ain't broke, I'm not going to tear it up. |
