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Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:04 pm: | 
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Don't ask me why, but I have a co-worker that wants to trade his complete rear Salisbury (flange to flange) for my Rover rear axle. His is open and bone stock with 3.54's, mine is equipped with an RD56, 4.10's and cryo treated 24 spline junk. GBR has 4.10's for the Salisbury, so I'm not worried about gearing. At the least, I would stuff 4.10's and a Detroit in it. Being a straight swap, no $$$, is the stock Salisbury much of an improvement over what I have? We both work at the dealer, so the actual install(s) is no big deal. I know absolutely zip about the 110 rear, and could use some advice. I know about ground clearance issues etc..., and don't care about having drums in the rear. Can the Salisbury be equipped with D60 aftermarket interanls? Are the 10 slpine factory 110 axles any stronger than a well set-up rover 24 spline? Etc...
I think you all know what I'm getting at here, so I'll stop rambling...
What are your thoughts?
TIA-
Craig  |
Lance
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:27 pm: |
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I would not trade. I believe the axles are the same so you gain nothing there. I have never seen any kits for that conversion to 60 axles but imagiane you can do it. The only gain I see is the four pinion diff, but since your putting in the detroit that does not matter. The mid seventies ford vans come with 60 axles that are offset on the right hand side so that may be worth looking at lots of those at junkyards. They are wide so they would have to be cut down. I think that would be a huge improvment over the rover axles. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 09:41 pm: |
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Thanks for the input Lance,
I believe the axles have the same spline count, but a much larger diameter. Anyone?
The RD56 is four pinion, so that wouldn't make much difference there.
I agree about the cutdown d60 method, but if the Salisbury could be built to a 'relatively' equal strength, the whole project would be extremely less painfull... Since this Salisbury is parked right next to me, I'd like to explore all of it's options first...
Craig |
Lance
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:07 pm: |
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I believe tha axles are the same diameter. It would not be that hard to pull one and check. What if you spliced some 60 hubs on to the salisbury? The thing I like about the 60 is axle cost, 600 dollars for rover axles is just to much money. I dont think a disco could break a 60 axle. Run a search on the por board in the landrover section there is quiet a bit about this over there. |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:12 pm: |
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As I understand it the Salisbury is a Dana 60. It fits D60 parts. You can make it bulletproof with commonly available parts. I have a recent photo of someone who has installed RR disc brakes onto his Salisbury. I'd do the swap in a heartbeat.
-P |
Lance
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:21 pm: |
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I thought the outer housing was a 60 with LR axles and four pinion diff. I thought the hubs were the same as the discos. |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:29 pm: |
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Quote:. Run a search on the por board in the landrover section
Quote:As I understand it the Salisbury is a Dana 60. It fits D60 parts
That's where I've been, and the only info I've found is that the R&P from a 60 will fit the Salisbury...
Quote:I have a recent photo of someone who has installed RR disc brakes onto his Salisbury. I'd do the swap in a heartbeat.
Trailer queen with 1.4:1 high range, and 30% underdrive lowrange. Really don't care about the drums
Thanks so far!! Please keep it coming! |
Ron
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 10:53 pm: |
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Hi Craig,
In short no. You are getting screwed if you trade. As your rover diff with ARB and cryoed (GBR?) shafts and 4.10s is worth way more.
A salisbury is a D60 but with 1.24 24spline axles as opposed to the 30 spline 1.3ish axles in a "normal" D60. The other thing is that a salisbury has a 4pin carrier where as every other D60 open carrier is 2 pin. This is why the salisbury detroit is so cheap, as it is a lunchbox style just like the 14 bolt which is fine due to the strength of the stock 4pin carriers.
The 24 spline salisburys are only marginally stronger than stock 24 spline rover axles.
You will also need to shorten your DS and will lose a lot of clearance. The salisbury hangs lower than a D60 due to the drain plug.
As far as axle swaps, right now I am leaning toward an Eaton (I have to make up my mind before tomorrow afternoon as I am going to the yard with Dom and his trailer to bring something home!). You can get them cheap, they have detroits and come stock 63in wide. They also can be flipped to be almost the same pass offset as a rover axle. The downside is that it is huge pumpkin (12in ring gear) and somewhat of a PITA to find.
D60, D61, and D70s all were available factory pass offset. 5in to the passenger side. However, they are all wide, welding the A frame mount onto the cast will be a PITA and lockers are expensive for them.
The only way i would trade your rover diff for a salisbury is if you were breaking RandPs or if you were blowing up ARBs. As with an ARB/detroit and GBR shafts a rover rear axle is pretty strong.
You can make a salisbury near indestructable (35spline chormo shafts, D60 RandP and D60 35 spline ARB) but I doubt you need that much or want to spend the money to get it.
POR has enough stuff to keep you entertained for a while. Search pass offset and eaton fcfred. You can even see Timm Cooper's eaton if you want to see that beast.
Ron |
PerroneFord
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:07 pm: |
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Damn Ron,
Thanks for that treatise! Very informative. Maybe that should go in the FAQ.
-P |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 11:53 pm: |
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Much appreciated Ron-
I'll tell my buddy to go pound sand!
My rear axles are cryo'd factory stuff. I just can't justify GBR's prices for such a marginal increase in strength.
My junk's actually held up better than anticipated, so I'll stik with the Rover stuff until major boomage...
Craig |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 12:58 am: |
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Craig,
He was probably trying to prey on your good mood. New big cupholders and CD wiring harness in one week!
The only thing I can add is that for all the crap GBR gets GBR rear shafts are the really strong.
The increase in stregth in the rear axles is not marginal. A long time ago someone posted the math as far as strength of 24 spline GBR v EN25 (ashcroft) and bigger stock shafts (35 spline 1.5in like a dana 70) and basically what it added up to was that the weenie sized 24 spline GBR shaft was within 10% of the strength of a dana 70 35 spline axle shaft and was substantially stronger than a stock 30 spline dana 60 axle shaft. I have since confirmed this math and based on the limited breakages of rear GBRs I think it is fair to say its true, but the question is do you need them?
Cryoed factory 24 spline stuff would probably be the weak link in your set up. Especially, if they are the one peice disco style. Kinda hard to say how strong they are with cryoing.
Actually your weak link it undoubtedly your front axle so I would not be too worried.
enough rambling.
Ron
PS I paid $200 for my salisbury |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 01:02 am: |
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"Maybe that should go in the FAQ."
Maybe, but it is hardly frequently asked
Ron |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 01:22 am: |
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Ron-
300 Below in Decatur did my cryogenic treatments. He is mostly geared toward the tractor-pull side of motorsports. His claims of 200% increase in strength seem a little outrageous to me, but I have yet to break anything that I have sent him w/ 33mtr's... And, I've been known to have quite a heavy foot
No doubt on the front being the weakest link on my whole rig right now, but I've learned that as long as I stay away from the magic button and swallow some pride, she'll pull me through most situations. I was on AmasaBack in Moab last year with a non-functional viscous in my Borg box(not siezed, but rather not locking at all) basically front wheel drive. Not to mention the torn driver's side rear trailing arm bushing that was making my rearend look drunk! Thank God for the front locker! That poor little short side front halfshaft pulled my ass through the entire trail!! Just goes to show that with a delicate touch, any of the factory junk can hold up to some decent abuse. here's a pic of the front shorty doin all the work.. One wheel drive on the weakest axle.
Sure am glad I cut off tha ghetto booty!
Craig |
Ron
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 01:47 am: |
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"here's a pic of the front shorty doin all the work"
Man your spotter is strong
Ron |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 01:52 am: |
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Yeah, strong smellin'
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PerroneFord
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:01 am: |
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Craig,
What size tires are you running?
-P |
Lance
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 11:12 am: |
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How much did you pay to have the axles treated if you dont mind me asking. Could the front pair be treated also? |
Craig M. Highland (Shortbus)
| | Posted on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 07:28 pm: |
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P-
they are 33x12.5x15 Goodyear MTR's
Lance- they will cryo pretty much whatever you want. ie.. cv's flanges, diffs axles (even assemblies) rotors, cranks blocks etc... He charges by the pound, and it's been a while since i've sent him anything, but the cryo for my axles/flanges/stubshafts were incredibly cheap.
less than 100.00 bucks if I remember right. I had sent some of my things with a couple of orders for customers, so I ddon't know the exact price for certain items..
Here is a link to his site...
http://www.300below.com/
They would love to hear more from the 4x4 crowd, and have always been looking for a way to get their "foot in the door" for this type of market. Give them a call, they'd love to hear from you..
300 Below, Cryogenic Tempering Services, Inc.
2999 Parkway Dr. Decatur, IL 62526
(217) 423-3070 Fax: (217) 423-3075
Email us at: 300below@300below.com
Really nice guys...
Craig |
Lance
| | Posted on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 11:34 pm: |
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Thanks
craig Ill definitly look into it |
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