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     Pascal Van Strydonck (Vertige) New Member Username: Vertige Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 |
Are there any Discovery or Defender TDI ( Diesel ) in north america ( USA or Canada ). Just wondering about a diesel non-electronic version. | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 127 Registered: 09-2002 |
Pascal- Just for clarification, do you mean are there any that are in the USA that are: 1)Factory produced in that format by Land Rover 2)For sale (i.e. not demos or the like) Or do you mean has anyone converted a NAS Disco or Defender to 200TDI, 300TDI (or the new 2.8l version of the engine). The specificity of your intended question will dictate the answer. But in short for the U.S.: yes, but there is a lot that goes into that answer by way of background. Canada, I think, is a different story than here so I can't speak about that but research on sites like Brittanica Restorations leads me to believe they are not as restrictive about diesel as the U.S. is. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1040 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't think so, unless you want to spend a buncha money for a TDi conversion like ECR did. | ||
| Pascal Van Strydonck (Vertige) New Member Username: Vertige Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thank you for responding. I was mainly inquiring for factory models. I have a 4.0 v8 Disco and i am looking at either converting it to diesel or buying a existing unit. I would prefer a factory unit. I know some people do convert to Diesel, i am still researching the subject and looking at the price of such a conversion. Thank you. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1041 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well if you want to convert it talk to ECR (East Coast Rover) here is a link to the Discovery they built: http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Discotech.html. I hope that does help. It would be pretty awesome if you did do it. Here is a link about the diesel: http://www.eastcoastrover.com/Tdiconversions.html | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 128 Registered: 09-2002 |
At MAR the gentlemen with the ECR-built 110 converted expedition camper (detailed here: http://www.eastcoastrover.com/67.html) mentioned that they were halting diesel conversion-I forgot the exact reason why but I think it had something to do with cost of importation/legality issues. That being said, the cost from ECR was around $20k for them to do a conversion-but take into account the cost gets you a vehicle that is better-than-factory when its done. Another good resource that I use a lot is Brittancia Restorations which is here: http://www.britrest.com/ When you open up their main page you'll see a nice Defender 110 300TDI for sale, but I don't think its legal for the U.S. Their diesel conversion kit is about $10k USD last time I checked and a guy named Richard Dekkard did the conversion on his Disco fairly recently with good results. His write-ups are mostly on the Pirate board last time I checked but they are worthwhile to look at as well. Bottom line is its expensive and argueably worthwhile compared to the drop-in of a 4.6l or something, but its still an interesting idea (if you can't tell I'd like to do it one day, but that is a few years off at this point) Besides great gas mileage, the simplicity of a non-ecu engine, great torque, ability to ford deeper water, etc... I like the concept b/c I would treat it as an opportunity to refurbish/restore my trucks mechanical parts in what would become a frame-up of sorts. The biggest problems: cost, time and cost. r- Ray | ||
| Pascal Van Strydonck (Vertige) New Member Username: Vertige Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thank you for all the info, this is really a great website. I did communicate with Britrinica restoration and they would do the conversion themselve for 18000$ ( hopefully CAN ). The trick is to have it pass emission for registration. They seem very confident, just not sure of what the process involves. When you mention the pirate board which board is that?? Is it on this web site? I am thinking of doing it to, but only when my truck decides to give up and a major repair comes my way. Pascal | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 129 Registered: 09-2002 |
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=4adcc8dd28f8c830d2bcd738b59a34 d4&forumid=26 That should take you right to the Land Rover board. Its not part of Dweb, which you'll very quickly find out as you read posts there. A quick search for diesel or even the guy's name (Dekkard) should get you to his posts-they were pretty informative about the DIY route. Passing emissions may be a big problem depending upon the state. Luckily that's not a problem for me here. 18K is probably USD, depending upon what you were asking about. The parts for the conversion into an Auto transmission Disco cost about $10K USD for the 2.8l, and considering the hours involved about $8k isn't a bad estimate for labor-but who knows, if its $ CDN it's fairly cheap (all things considered) I'm partial to one of two avenues-if I do it here (meaning in North America) then I would rather do it myself and learn all about the truck while doing so. If I get sent overseas-especially the UK-when its time for this to happen then I would obviously consider having it done b/c of cost savings. Britrest also has pretty good prices on used 200TDI and 300TDI and that may be a cheaper route. r- Ray | ||
| Sean Woodward (Monkey) Member Username: Monkey Post Number: 47 Registered: 02-2003 |
it is canadaian, I was also talking with them. Drooling over the engine. Love to have it, lots of bucks though..... | ||
| Pascal Van Strydonck (Vertige) New Member Username: Vertige Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2003 |
What about a used 300TDi?? Would it pass emission test?? As it been tested and approved for US laws??? What about power and mating to a automatic transmission?? Where could i find one??? Just thinking this could be a more reasonable solution... | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 130 Registered: 09-2002 |
I don't know about it passing emissions-while that is a state to state thing I think its safe to say probably not. To my knowledge it has not been tested and approved-which is one of the reasons why its not here and proliferated. That being said, it doesn't mean you cannot put one in your truck-unless your state inspection/emissions test prevents you from doing so. Finding one starts with the same people (brittanica restorations), I'm pretty sure they had a 200TDI on their site with all the goodies for about $6,000-but I can't be sure if that were CDN or USD. Picking up a few Land Rover magazines from B&N or something should also give you some starting points too as many of the businesses in the UK ship worldwide. As it would seem there isn't a lot of reason when it comes to this issue to make it reasonable. r- Ray | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 195 Registered: 05-2003 |
200 and 300tdis both came as Autos in Australia. I think the transfer box is a lower ratio maybe. I would have thought there would be heeps of rusty tdis in England,surly someone would send you the parts. If you are used to driving a V8 I think you maybe disapointed with a TDI. They are slow until they come on boost (1500rpm or so)they vibrate a bit as well. The tdi is heavier as well which makes the car feel a bit nose heavy. You can tune most of the turbo lag out with a tweak of the fuel pump and a bigger intercooler. One thing is for sure they don't use much fuel, gives a long way between fuel stops. | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 244 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Shaun Vibrate? Mine doesn`t vibrate, You soon get used to the diesel 300Tdi and I can get a move on when I stir the manual box. Only thing that would change my mind is the 2.8 power stroke. Pete S | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 196 Registered: 05-2003 |
Peter don't get me wrong I quite like them. What I mean is they vibrate the car a bit at idle. I'm used to driving V8s. Petrol is cheaper in Australia than the UK. Having said That there are heaps of TDI and TD5 cars out here, they are great for long outback trips where it is along way between fuel stopps. | ||
| Barry Schmelzenbach (Boulderbear) New Member Username: Boulderbear Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 |
There are at least three members of the Solihull Society here in Denver who have converted various LRs to the TDI engine: 1-110, 1-D90, 2-Discos & 1- RR. I was talking to one owner who has the 110, RR & a Disco all with TDI. I was told that Equicar in the UK is a great place to get your TDI. They will put together everything you need for the conversion with a good low mileage engine. If you don't want to go through the importation, check with George at RDS ,he may be willing to get a TDI in for you. I spoke with the D90 TDI owner and he bought a factory kit (I believe) and installed it himself. Cost of the kit if I recall was around $10K, but he made a little of that back by selling the V8. There is even a local guy here who has a brand new 2003 TD5 110 (beautiful truck) & parks in the lot where I work occasionally, but this one's from the factory. Hope this helps, Barry Colorado | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 131 Registered: 05-2003 |
Barry, Ask him how he got it O.K.'d by federal D.O.T. That would be interesting and informative. | ||
| Barry Schmelzenbach (Boulderbear) New Member Username: Boulderbear Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
Eric..........if you are referring to the TD5 I've not been lucky enough to run into him yet, but someone in the club (LR tech @ dealership) knows who he is. As far as federal DOT my understanding is cash has a lot to do with it. The vehicle gets sent straight from the docks to a federally authorized facility where it is then brought up to meet US standards. What that means, I am not entirely sure, and seeing as this is second hand info............ All I know is that the 110 is a factory built 2003 TD5 and is registered in Boulder, CO. If I learn anything else I'll pass it along........ | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 136 Registered: 05-2003 |
Barry, I know a guy near San Francisco who owns an early 90's Camel Trophy 110 with, I think, a 200tdi. It was supposedly used as one of the supply vehicles for one of the Camel Trophy events. The owner said it was very expensive and time consuming to keep it from getting crushed by the Federales. He would not do it again. But that's in Calif. where engine swaps and non-standard vehicles are highly scrutinized, unless you have a Series vehicle older than '73. | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 131 Registered: 09-2002 |
Barry, That is very interesting, I know of a few international officers around here who have vehicles that we can't get, most notably a TD5 Disco, but while they are registered in Va and such I think they are forced to state that they will not sell the vehicle in the U.S. and that they will take it home with them. That being said, at MAR there was a 110 pickup that looked factory built that had a TDI in it, and it was brand spanking new so someone is either putting out the $$$ or has a loophole. | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 490 Registered: 02-2002 |
When living in San Francisco, I saw several Td5 badged Discovery Series 1s. Don't know how or why they were there, but they were nonetheless. Wish I knew the rarity of what I was looking at at the time! I'm wondering if biodiesel / SVO would be allowed during emissions testing if you'd properly converted a diesel to run on it? Also, would DMV award a special ULEV or ZEV registration to vehicles running SVO? I'm in North Carolina if it matters. e | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 246 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi If you do go down the route of getting an engine from the UK, bear in mind that equicar are not that cheap, and there are far better places to get a 300Tdi lump over here, if any body is seriously interested I can get some prices from guys that part out Disco`s. I know this is frowned upon in the tech section, and I apologise, but look at this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2438929951&category=29748 All the best Pete S | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 132 Registered: 09-2002 |
Not sure if anyone has any knowledge of this crew: http://www.disco-tech.ca/engines/ but they're claiming to be the Western NA distributor for 2.8L Diesels and the price they have is pretty good for the DIY'er. Now all that remains to be seen is if it takes hold and people start using them. $7K for the kit is a very decent price if its true... | ||
| Greg Tearne (Gooddoggomez) Member Username: Gooddoggomez Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2003 |
Erik No such thing as a Td5 D1 gtt | ||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Greg That is not strictly true, I visited a breakers in late 98 that was breaking two D1`s and both had empty engine bays, but had all LR test bits and pieces and labels all over the dashboard saying this is a test mule fitted with a TD5 tempest engine, both were fitted with plumbed in fire extinguishers, maybe LR were worried about something. Pete S |
