| Author | Message | ||
     john heath (Jheath6) Member Username: Jheath6 Post Number: 139 Registered: 09-2003 |
whats the deepest water i can go through in a stock rover without a snokel. i know it says 20 in. but what have you guys done at a slow speed. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 950 Registered: 02-2002 |
Both the D1 and D2 can momentarily dip the headlights under water. But the D2 has a more sucky air intake, within the fender that acts basically as a forward-facing funnel, so it's limited simewhat. The MAF (mass-air-flow) sensor will likely cut out the engine in many cases this deep on D2. Worry also about diffs and other components with breathers that may need extending, especially the rear diff. Dean | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2002 |
You can probably dunk a stock truck up to about the top of the tires safely, maybe even the headlight depth if you know what you're doing and don't get stuck in the process... That being said, expect to have to change out the diff fluid and re-pack your wheel bearings if you haven't put on extended breather tubes. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.PangaeaExpeditions.com | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 952 Registered: 02-2002 |
Nathan, does the bearing regrease also apply to D2? | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 631 Registered: 11-2002 |
I crossed a pond with water up to the windshield. Actually felt the tires leave the ground twice on my way across. Made it with no problems except a tightened sphincter. I wouldn't suggest it to anybody, but since you asked. It was at Uwharri Safari last year. Lots of people watching, so I had to make it! A picture of it before I got deep is in my photo gallery. | ||
| CALM (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1043 Registered: 11-2002 |
hey greg what is the name of your colour on your rover? | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2002 |
Checking the wheel bearings after a wet or muddy day on the trail is something that applies to pretty much every 4x4 out there, DI, DIIs, Land Cruisers, Nissans, etc. Personally, I check my fluids and wheel bearings after every wet trip, but most of the time I'm lucky and don't have to repack the bearings, etc. I usually end up having to do it about 2-3 times a year. I like to think of it this way, if Land Rovers have such a hard time keep fluids in, it stands to reason that they have a hard time keeping fluids out as well. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Ted Chestnut (Tedchestnut) Member Username: Tedchestnut Post Number: 72 Registered: 08-2002 |
the way i see it... follow the book. these things are expensive to fix and you definately dont want something to happen when youre waist deep... i had a friend who tried to cross a pond... tried. his name is ricky and now we call him "ricky lake" | ||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 119 Registered: 02-2003 |
I thought the DII had extended breathers - rear diff had breathers up the behind the tail lights and front up behind the plenum/top of fire wall | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2003 |
Rear diff axle breather is pretty low. You can follwo it up from the axle to under the rear door on the driver side. The front axle is up onthe firwall just under the hood. Under the tail lights is thethe sls intake I think. Not too sure about that though. | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2003 |
I went through a "puddle" if you want to call it that while taking a ride through the woods in FL went through the first puddle maybe 1 foot deep then the second puddle sank me the water was about 4 inches from me drivers side window. I almost crapped myself dollar signs flashed infront of my eyes I gave it gas and it came out of the puddle. The water had covered the hood not a wave of water just water because I was at a slow speed. I pulled out and it was mis-firing bad made it out of the woods thinking it would dry itself out but I ended up pulling off the distributer cap and dried it out. This is on a 95 Discovery with the 3.9 not a diesel. I can't believe it did not suck water into the air box. Let me tell you why I was in the woods in the first place. I was going to a store that was in front of the woods and I saw two cops with shotguns getting into the back of a pickup truck the truck must have had 40inch tires on it but back to my story. I go in the store and the guy what was up. He said someone had come into the store and said they saw a gorilla in the back and it was breaking branches. So I parked out back and waited for the cops to come back out. I see the truck with the cops so I jump out of my Discovery and ask what they saw they said they had not seen a thing. After they leave I head out on the trail and that is where I find the puddles. After I come out of the deep one I see two teenagers and I ask about the Gorilla. The kid tells my how embarrassed he is saying after the cops left they saw it again they yelled out "if your human come out we have a gun" when they said this the "gorilla" ducked down. They repeated there command this time a Hatian guy jumped up saying he was coming out. This Haitain guy was in the brush picking Palmetto berrys to sell to be used in making meds. The kid was so embarrassed he even told me how he had run to the store to buy a camera to photograph the gorilla. Then the kid looks at me funny and asked how did you get in here. I told him I went throught the puddle when he tells me his friend with an F150 Ford pickup with 44 inch tires had gotten stuck in thatt same puddle earlier in the day and it took a jeep and his 150 on 36 inch tires to pull him out. So I must say bigger is not always better. So that is my story LOL. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 320 Registered: 05-2003 |
Brad, I am laughing so hard that it hurts. That was great and just way too funny - what kind of drugs were you on?? Jamie | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 321 Registered: 05-2003 |
Never mind, I just looked at your screen name. Must have been the vodka, not drugs! | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 3 Registered: 10-2003 |
LOL you must have miss read it I hope. I was not the one to see the gorilla or see the Haitian for that matter I was just the fool that believed there could be a gorilla in the woods in FL LOL. I was straight as an arrow have not touched a drop since New Years eve 2003 and no weed either LOL. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 322 Registered: 05-2003 |
I was joking - I just thought that was the greatest thing I have read in a very long time. Thanks so much for a huge case of the giggles, I needed that!! I was trying to get a visual of your experience while reading it 3 times in a row and it just got funnier and funnier - I just wish I had been there too!! Too funny!!  | ||
| Edward Bibb (Heirless) Member Username: Heirless Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2003 |
"a Hatian guy jumped up saying he was coming out. This Haitain guy was in the brush picking Palmetto berrys to sell to be used in making meds." WHAT ???? ok, I have so much to learn, me being a 35yo Raver and all. When I was growing up, we got drugs the old fashioned way, WE WENT TO CONCERTS!!!! | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 632 Registered: 11-2002 |
Gum...It is called "Charleston Green" | ||
| john heath (Jheath6) Member Username: Jheath6 Post Number: 144 Registered: 09-2003 |
i am glad i asked this question thats the best story i heard in a long time | ||
| Pascal Van Strydonck (Vertige) New Member Username: Vertige Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2003 |
I've learned a lesson the hard way 6 years ago. I was driving off from work, here in Vegas, on the Bellagio property. At the time it was a construction site and they had dug a big trench ( 60'wide x 150'long ) for construction truck and heavy equipment to pass under the monorail. At the time i had a beaten-up Wrangler on 31" MT with 3.5" lift. All my friend were going into the trench which was by now filled with water, but they were always gooing on the side. Well, i was a little younger and feeling like superman so i went in in the center, full throttle. Soon i had water to my neck and did not know what to do except for giving it all it had. I barely made it to the other end but then i heard the most horrible noise from the engine and it died. I went back into the trench. My friends pulled me out but it was too late for my l;ittle Jeep. The engine suck in some water and blew itself. This was within my first week at work coming in from Canada. Later they baptised the trench lake Pascal in my honor. Now i know what hydrolock means! PS Now i drive a Disco 97 with scuba gear in the back! | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
Palmetto berries are used in a cancer treatment you get like .11 cents a pound so I guess seeing as in FL there are no deposits on our cans it is a way to make change LOL. Jamie I knew you were kidding you might have had to read it three times to understand my writing looking back I kinda missed a period and comma here and there. I was never one for creative writing class. Just to add a little to the story the kid was acting out how this gorilla arm was coming up and down with gorilla fingernails LOL. Poor Haitian probably took a boat back to Haiti after that day. Haiti may be safer for him. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 955 Registered: 02-2002 |
Brad, whatever you're smoking, can you send me some? | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 141 Registered: 05-2003 |
Check out this picture and read the caption below it. http://www.floridalandroverclub.com/ Just a little too deeeeeep! -JIm | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2003 |
Yup, he floated and died. We call that hole the carwash. In the pictures area, labeled as Spring Rally, many others taking on the car wash. He got the carnage-of-the-day. | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2003 |
That pic is about what I went through at teh most it was 4 inches more shallow. Jim where you there when the pic was taken? Did he suck water into his engine and if so was it toast? | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 956 Registered: 02-2002 |
This is Peter Blatt (note the initials PB, as in Pine Barrens!) on the Barrens MiniMar earlier this month:     I think this is why he got a bilge pump. But his truck is 100% fine, no ill-effects except for a wet carpet or two. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 327 Registered: 05-2003 |
Brad, Your writing was fantastic, post some more stories please!! I had to read it that many times because I was laughing too hard. I give you an A+ for creative writing!! I like it your story so much that I reread it each time I visit this thread. Just imagine the odds of you being right there at that moment in time with all those characters in action! You'll get to recall memories of that experience for years to come!! | ||
| Jordan Zadwick (Fade_to_black) New Member Username: Fade_to_black Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2003 |
I was curious how much water gets inside the cab of our disco's going through stuff this deep? | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 968 Registered: 02-2002 |
In that disco above there was apparently water about 2 inches from the top of the seat base, i.e. about a foot of water. It depends on how long and deep you're stuck. If you've got new seals on a D2 you may be able to sit there like that for a few minutes and not get much water at all. But as your seals age, they leak faster and faster, and you cannot fight it easily. Hence the need for a pump at some point if you tend to do this on a regular basis | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2003 |
When I sunk mine almost to my side windows I did not get a bit of water inside. I was not in the deep water long maybe 15 seconds or close to that number. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 969 Registered: 02-2002 |
When you keep moving, it doesn't seem to leak at all, the time scales are so much less. Peter was stuck there for maybe 10-15 minutes, as you can see there was no easy way to even get to him to pull him out. Pulling on someone when you yourself are in 2 feet of slippery muddy water is no easy task. | ||
| Jess Alvarez (Jester) Member Username: Jester Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2002 |
I know I have a snorkel, and this isnt exactly what you asked, but.... check this video out: http://www.c-s-group.com/download/watercrossing.wmv I went out today to play a little, and did this water crossing. Very little water in the cab. Seems like some of it came through the firewall, and was mildly dripping on my passenger in the foot. Bet thats going to smell good later. Either way, Dean is correct, depends on the amount of time youre in there. Incidentally, Vodkaman, time seems to stand still when you are up to your ass in water. The 15 seconds you felt was probably actually a bit less, or you would have been wet. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 137 Registered: 02-2003 |
Shut it off since I was barely 1/4 of the way into it and the water was too deep...snorkel was NOT well set-up:  | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) New Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2003 |
Great video Jess. Your are probably right about the time in the water being less than 15 seconds. I know I added up what the repair cost were going to be if I flooded the engine with water and I also had time to think what people would think of my getting stuck and why I was in the woods in the first place so I timed my thoughts just now and replaying it in my mind I came up with 9 seconds LOL. BTW Jess you didn't happen to see any gorillas or Haitians in the woods during your video shoot? | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Senior Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 283 Registered: 10-2002 |
A couple of us were in the pine barrens for the full moon, and where stock height rovers can momentarly dip a headlight a couple of times, a j**p cherokee cannot, as we witnessed, a thrown rod from water intake, I should mention that this could happen to any of us if foolishness rules your foot through puddles/ walk it first, or watch someone go through before you!! Peter. | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) New Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2003 |
Ahem. The comments above all seem to focus on (a) transmission (b) engine mechanics and (c) passenger compartment furnishings. To be sure, I'm getting a snorkel for my vehicle because water in cylinders is a Really Bad Thing, versus just a Bad Thing, and accidents will happen. However, in terms of things that make the aforementioned sphincter muscles tighten... my thoughts turn also to (d) engine electronics (e) other electronics (f) fan blades. As a D2 w/ ACE, SLS owner who not only has all of the stock electronics -- ECU, SLABS, etc. etc. -- but also a shitload of add-on bits and bobs (radios, linux box, laptop, GPS, lighting, 2nd battery, etc.) I am curious that there doesn't seem to be much reported in the way of electronics and wiring harness based water failures mentioned here. Personally, I've had problems with failed (leaky) connector assemblies or computers when traversing 12-20" deep water or thunderstorms (CDL position sensor, handbrake position sensor, ABS controller, etc.). One of these days I would like to replace the entire harness and electrical assemblies with true waterproof mil-spec kit, but that's a huge job that can wait for a decade or so. What is the general experience on the stock preparedness of the D2 electr(on)ics for water ingress and what the weak points / easy fixes are in that regards? And, no, switching out my engine for a diesel is not considered an Easy Fix. Also ISTR reading that another known weakness in water crossings is the engine fans -- they are rated to propel air not water -- and catastrophic failures can result, e.g. involving fan blades introducing themselves to the radiators. Any experiences with this on the D2 -- both in terms of shock loading the fan while at moderate to high revs and in terms of revving the engine (and hence fan) speed whilst submerged? Finally, many thanks to Dean for his assistance the other night where I involved him in what should have been a ridiculously simple recovery effort, but became more complicated owing to Mr Murphy and the seven Ps. Planning has now won out over my wallet and I am soon to be the proud owner of some half decent recovery gear :-). | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 989 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hey Don! Peter B fucked the fan clutch when in some really deep stuff, but it already had over 100K on it so no big deal there. AS far as I can see all of the computers are inside the cabin somewhere (d2), but not on the D1 where the main ECU is in the engine compartment. We've already had one of those get wet and stall out the engine. Best technique in my opiniion is to go very slow, and, more important, resist ALL temptation to step on the gas when you feel you are about to get stuck. It doesn't help one bit and almost certainly does completely the opposite. Just fix your foot at the same position and ride it out. Dean | ||
| quentin charles neil ross (Qcnr) New Member Username: Qcnr Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jess Having crossed many rivers all I can say is TOO FAST. Use 2nd low difflock, edge into the water, increase speed untill you have a bow wave and then keep the speed STEADY. Having been to Iceland this year all I can say is if you dont walk/ check the river first you are asking for trouble. If that river was wider by 5-10M you could have been in serious trouble. I noticed on the way back you slowed almost to a stop before coming out, that is deadly in a river... [image]http://www.lrforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10040/normal_mother%20of%20all%20 rivers.jpg[/image] [image]http://www.lrforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10040/normal_river%20at%20night.j pg[/image] | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2003 |
Here's Dean showing us how to do a water crossing. Notice the lack of drama, just a steady slow progress.  |
