| Author | Message | ||
     Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 209 Registered: 11-2002 |
Do you have any suggestions for removing the front hub/disc assembly on a D1 where the outer wheel bearing is kind of welded to the spindle? In tearing down the front pass side, I'm stuck - all washers and nuts are off, the bearing is absolutely destroyed and the hub/disc won't budge. The inner race of the bearing won't budge from where it is. Thanks. joe | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 400 Registered: 11-2002 |
i have had success with a die grinder you need to cut thru the bearing in 2 places 180* from each other. then use a length of chain about 4' long from 2 of the lug studs and a highlift jack as a slide hammer in the loop of chain. once it breaks loose you will in most cases need a new spindle. the reason they "weld" togather is because the bearing failed ,locked up and started to spin on the spindle...once that happens the undersized spindle will rarely keep the new bearing's inside race fixed. when it spins it will heat up and cause the new bearing to fail almost imediatly. MM | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 210 Registered: 11-2002 |
Hi Thom, how in the world did you get a grinder in there? The way the bearing is seated on the spindle within the hub, I couldn't begin to get anything in there w/o cutting through the hub body (the part that is bolted to the rotor and has the bearings inside). That's only like a 2.5" opening w/ the stub shaft protruding. I appreciate your help and suggestions, I'll go look at it again. joe | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 131 Registered: 07-2003 |
Can it be pressed out? | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 402 Registered: 11-2002 |
the die grinder i used is like a dremel on steroids...it has a motor that hangs on a hook and a shielded drive too the handheld grinder. the cutting tool I used was a very small end mill. it wasent pretty...but either was the situation  ...my buddy wanted to sell his RRC after 2 days of trying himself so when I came into the project he was not afraid of the miriad of sledge hammers and cutting tools I tried. | ||
| Brent Fox (Bfox) Member Username: Bfox Post Number: 121 Registered: 10-2002 |
I had the same thing happen to me. I used a dremel with a cone shaped grinding attachment to grind a dime sized hole in the race. I could then turn the hub untill all the individual bearings fell out. After they were all out the hub pulled off and over the race. With the hub out of the way I cut a few notches in the race and was able to split it off with a hammer and chisel. I lightly sanded and polished the imperfections out of the stub axle and it suffered no real damage. Hope this helps Brent | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 211 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thom and Brent, thank you very much for the suggestions. I'll try and finagle something with a dremel, if that doesn't work my neighbor has some incredibly destructive tools. It's the cage of the bearing that is welded to the spindle. So if I can somehow cut that, I should be ok. The race shouldn't be a problem after this. BTW, this bearing is amazingly bad. There are at least 4 rollers that were ground to pulp, the other rollers are just kind of floating in the bearing in all directions. Quality destruction! joe | ||
| Brent Fox (Bfox) Member Username: Bfox Post Number: 123 Registered: 10-2002 |
Joe That sounds alot like my situation. Just to clarify I dremeled a half round section out of the lip on the part of the bearing that is in contact with the spindle. That let the individual bearings fall out and after that it was a breeze. Sorry for not knowing the correct names for the bearing parts. Hope this makes sense. Good Luck | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 212 Registered: 11-2002 |
Regardless of the terminology (which I may have wrong too), thanks again for your suggestions Brent - your description makes perfect sense! joe | ||
| EricV (Bender2033) Senior Member Username: Bender2033 Post Number: 258 Registered: 08-2002 |
Joe, How about taking a few photos of the situation and the steps to remedy? Sounds like a great tech article. | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 239 Registered: 03-2003 |
Yah. I really want to see this. I'm thinking of coming to Cleveland this week. I would love to come over and drink lots of beer and watch. For some reason I feel like this will be better than a Browns game. | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 213 Registered: 11-2002 |
I have photos of what I've done so far and will continue documenting. Bill, c'mon up, I can put you to work. joe | ||
| Brent Fox (Bfox) Member Username: Bfox Post Number: 125 Registered: 10-2002 |
Joe, I sent another email your way. Hope it helps. Brent | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 218 Registered: 11-2002 |
Brent, thank you again for the suggestion on grinding the outer lip of the bearing and pulling the rollers out. This worked like a charm! I just need to clean everything up and reassemble. THANK YOU! joe (I got a lot of pix, will do an article on this) | ||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 241 Registered: 03-2003 |
Joe, My family lives in Wooster I may call on you some time to go wheeling. Can you get Browns tickets in the Pound? Bill | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 219 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bill, I can't get tickets in the Pound, I rarely ever get to go games anyway - usually a vendor supplies tix + luxury box. I like the Tribe better, plus nicer weather. There's somewheeling about 2, 2.5 hrs east-SE of Wooster. Otherwise that's farm country out there, cow patties and corn fields aren't any fun lol! Let me know if you make it up here, it'd be great to meet. Here's a few pix of the bearing. This shows how screwed up the bearing was: http://www.4x4wire.com/rover/maintenance/front_axle/destroyedbearing.jpg The outer bearing rollers and cage ground into paste: http://www.4x4wire.com/rover/maintenance/front_axle/bearingpaste.jpg joe | ||
| Kris Carlquist (Kris_carlquist) New Member Username: Kris_carlquist Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2003 |
How many miles since the last repack? Every time I read and see something like this it makes me want to repack every hub I have even if it has only been a few thousand miles since the last repack. It is funny, and I am not trying to flame anyone, but bearing packing is so often overlooked. I guess I am really paranoid, I pack all my hubs once a year regardless of mileage and/or after a trip where I had water crossings. I figure a seal and a little grease are a small price to pay to avoid catastrophic failure. Did you run your disco in a lot of water? Your grease looked like it had a little water contamination. | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 220 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kris, I bought the truck a year ago and it had been serviced just prior to me buying it. I do pack them all at least once a year on my vehicles (I do about every 4-6 mos. on my Toyota). I completely agree with you on the interval - it's easy and cheap and there isn't an excuse not to do it. There wasn't any water ingress, that paste is pure grease and ground wheel bearing. joe | ||
| Kris Carlquist (Kris_carlquist) New Member Username: Kris_carlquist Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2003 |
We are taking a trip to Wyoming at Thanksgiving and I was going to wait and pack the bearings after. Now, no way. The bearings are getting packed before we drive across the arctic trunda that is central Wyoming. I know it was misfortune for you, but you have helped motivate me to pack the hubs a little early this year. |
