| Author | Message | ||
     Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 3 Registered: 09-2003 |
This is the latest from David Cavazos in my attemts to get my money back. I orderd parts and sent him a check. He cashed the check and never sent the part. Just a reminder to NOT buy from this guy! (onlinerover.com) Andrew ==== begin ==== Pursuant to your boorish accusations of thievery, our recorder indicated your parts along with a returned money order were shipped in good faith October 10th 2003 to the address indicated. It is now your responsibility to contact your local rural carrier to confirm any and all delivery attempts. Please be advised; should your partial return to us again posted “undeliverable”, additional shipping and handling charged may apply if a third delivery attempt is made. Do to your offensive and accusative posture, our Attorney has advised us to discontinue any and all communiqué. On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 14:45:27 -0800, "Andrew Lenz" <alenz> wrote : > Please respond! > Why be a thief about it? > > Andrew Lenz > > | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1163 Registered: 02-2003 |
this guy is a fuck. he tried some bait and switch on used range rover parts with me. how much are you out for? rob | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 4 Registered: 09-2003 |
I'm out $115 for the part and a lot of time trying to contact him. I have asked for copies of the shipping and money order receipts. BBB complaint was filed but no response from him yet. After this my next step is a police report. I don't expect much. If others go to check him out hopefully they will find this info and not do business with him. I wonder if his lawyer told him to write "partial" instead of parcel. I think he is living with partial brain syndrome. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 753 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL... "partial" instead of "parcel", handling "charged" instead of "charges", "Do" to instead of "Due" to, poor punctuation, and everybody knows that boorish signifies behavior that is rude and unrefined...there is nothing boorish about your statement/question "Please respond! Why be a thief about it?" but attorney is capitalized and he got the accent on "communiqué". He must be very worldly, professional, and intelligent. I wouldn't mess with this international man of mystery. On the other hand, in the spirit of diplomacy, have you ever had problems with your shipping address? Have other "partials" been undeliverable? Do you live on an offshore oil rig or something? | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 5 Registered: 09-2003 |
hehehe, thanks for the laugh. I have never had any problems with any other "partials". I live in Orange, CA. pretty much the heart of suburbia. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 860 Registered: 05-2002 |
Gosh, I never figured Orange, CA to be serviced by a "local rural carrier" for "partials". I also find it humorous that a vendor would even waste his lawyers time over a $115 matter. That would be a 10 minute phone call at $150/hr (minimum)=(1/6)150=$25 that I can almost guarantee he did not spend on you. Blow it off and move on. The damage you have done to him on this board is the most punitive thing you can do. -Curtis | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 170 Registered: 08-2003 |
well it can be one of them "plan attorneys".. Cost like 30$/month.. I remember seeing flyers about that kind of stuff back in Houston  On serious note. Andrew - if you dealt with that "Lone Wold LLC" and no person itself, then you might be in crappy situation, as LLC means you can sue company, but can not sue person behind company (from what i can rememeber)... On other hand - why wont you just ask someone from board who is from around Dallas to just come up there and ask for this guy? Without threatening, just ask for documentation and stuff on your shipment. Its kind of long ways for 115, but then you always could file claim for moral damage and stuff | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 6 Registered: 09-2003 |
I wrote the check made out to David Cavazos. He co-signed it and wrote in his TX drivers lic number. Someone named Julie Jones singed it also (Julie signed first then David). So I'm not sure if it is through his company or personal... Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are laws against a person taken money from a company even if it is his own company. But, this is a different issue. I have asked for receipts and have not heard back from him. I would like the money back of course, but I'm not counting on it. I would be nice to give this guy a little grief. If you want to send him and email and say "pay up" send it to sales@onlinerover.com and on_line_rover@yahoo.com. Also, he started a yahoo group OnLineRoverChat. If it is not resolved by Jan I will be able to go see him. My brother is moving to the Dallas area and I am going to help with the move. (small world...) Thanks for the info/advice Andrew | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) New Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 16 Registered: 10-2003 |
I'll be back in Dallas in Jan., If you'd like a bit of company, i'm in. Over the last twenty years of wheelin i've lost too much money like this. Sometimes you get more attention with a large group. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 543 Registered: 04-2001 |
Call the local police and FBI and file formal fraud charges. Then send a letter saying that you are suing him for $115 dollars AND attorney's fees. Tell him that he should resend the money order certified mail with 24hours and give you a tracking number or he will be recieving a summons certified mail in 48 hours. That or go break his legs and steal his truck. Ron | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 360 Registered: 04-2003 |
Use this link to help provide info to most Law Informcement officials. (one of my Call Center that I take care of) http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 356 Registered: 04-2003 |
Don't get criminal complaints and civil lawsuits confused here. You can and probably should do both, but don't think one prohibits the other. Call the local police and don't bother with the FBI. The local police will probably go over to the guy's business, house, etc., and have a chat with him about things. If this doesn't help -- which it won't, because he's going to tell them he sent it to you last month -- then initiate civil process against him. Unfortunately you'll need to sue him in the county of the state he does business in. This is where it gets to the question of what lengths you're willing to go in order to prove a point or correct future behavior. When you figure service and filing costs you're already over $115, and you haven't even discussed a lawyer yet. Granted, you may be able to get him to pay atty's fees in the end, but it doesn't help you pay a $1000 retainer on the front end. Save time by researching addresses, filing requirements (there may be small claims forms online) , service requirements (important, although maybe there's a DiscoWebber who's a resident of that state who would serve the guy for you), before you talk with a lawyer in the area. Above all that, good luck! And if you choose to go down this road don't give up. In for a dime, in for a dollar Andy | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 7 Registered: 09-2003 |
I think the FBI does not get involved unless the loss is 5k or more. I called the local police in Coppell, TX and the lady told me they cannot (or will not) take a report over the phone. She suggested I make a report with my local police dept. I have not done this yet. I don't really want to go this route. There are people asking David to correct this and I think it may be working. As a thank you to the great community here any and all refund I get will be directly sent to DiscoWeb. Yesterday I sent another request to David for a refund and I did get a response: ===== start ==== -----Original Message----- From: sales@onlinerover.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:57 PM To: Andrew Lenz Subject: Re: -- ok.............. On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:03:43 -0800, "Andrew Lenz" <alenz> wrote : > Hi David, > Please send a refund check in the amount of $115.00 for non delivery of parts. You have my address and phone number. > > waiting for refund, > Andrew Lenz ==== end ==== | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 632 Registered: 08-2002 |
I wouldn't bother with either the local police or the FBI. Contact the post office and file a mail fraud complaint with them. This is an interstate commerce transaction so you might also want to touch base with Federal Interstate Commerce people for advice. It could be fun to ruin this guy. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 358 Registered: 04-2003 |
That'd be the Federal Trade Commission, and the fraud has to be "worth" a certain amount before they act against a business. The best ways to "ruin this guy" are: (1) Spam email (although that is probably a violation of ISP user agreements, and conspiracy to commit such an act could potentially get DWeb in trouble with their ISP), which is not a good idea. -- That said, I'd say it'd be a real shame if he suddenly was on every porn and penis-enhancement mailing list (2) Keep telling people about his bad practices. Anyone smart looks into a company before buying over the internet, or phone, or mail. People should be encouraged to search the archives here to read feedback on bad transactions of this nature. I'm also of the opinion that we should be posting here with good experiences with vendors; this information is as valuable as bad experiences as described here. (3) Go to his house, punch him in the nose, and then say "nice to meet you," a la that Budweiser commercial with the guy on the deserted island. Andy | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 143 Registered: 07-2003 |
I liked this on his site. http://www.onlinerover.com/Vehicle_For_Sale/Discovery_I/discovery_i.html 127,XXX miles on a 96 D1 for $14,000. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1534 Registered: 04-2002 |
Or, for $60k you can have this one: http://www.onlinerover.com/Vehicle_For_Sale/Discovery_II/discovery_ii.html | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 495 Registered: 02-2003 |
But the 9000 pound Wagnerian wench is included in that price.... Brunhilde, come to Papa! - Axel | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 205 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Brunhilde, come to Papa!" ROFLMAO | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1172 Registered: 02-2003 |
whats the deal with this 1/25 shit? that's like two layers of tin foil thick, lol i guess he got confused with 1/4 = .25 rd | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2002 |
It all looks like SG to me | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 546 Registered: 09-2002 |
"We are rapidly expanding our wear house" "We off the same level of service with our T4 Land Rover Diagnostic system at more then half the price!" "Our knowledgeable Land Rover expect sales staff is ready to answer your questions or comments." "We offers a vast array of new and refurbished parts, electronics and fiberglass Body panels pluse more." What a moron. SC | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) New Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2003 |
and they have a Disco carbon fibre hood.... I bet wings and coffee can tailpipes are coming soon | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 496 Registered: 02-2003 |
So it is the knowledgable Land Rover that is running the show, then? Must be, if it is expecting the sales staff to be ready to answer questions. But what happens when the Land Rover is sold, is Brunhilde taking over? - Axel | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 547 Registered: 09-2002 |
Maybe the 9000lb wench is expecting the sales staff, or at least a knowledgable Land Rover? Actually, at 9000lbs it could be twins. Makes sense to me. | ||
| Al Cruz (Alc) Member Username: Alc Post Number: 92 Registered: 10-2002 |
Oh shit I just emailed this guy for some D2 lug nuts....LOL Well so far he hasn't responded, he's got a post on Roverconnection.com. Hmnn maybe someone should warn the folks that lurk there! Al | ||
| Edward Bibb (Heirless) Member Username: Heirless Post Number: 54 Registered: 04-2003 |
I suggest we just foward all of our "junk email" to this guy. If the spammers are going to include me on their list, then why not put it to use. I don't need a penis enlargement or pics of "suz and her sister". Lets BURN SOME BANDWIDTH on this guy!!!! | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) New Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mr. Bibb, I like your plan! | ||
| Pedro (Discoverys) Member Username: Discoverys Post Number: 75 Registered: 08-2003 |
What a bargain, no??? Does this guy know the meaning of depreciation???? 60k for a DII and 15k for a D1, you have to be kidding. I have seen ridiculous prices (D90) but this is the best so far. Later | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 8 Registered: 09-2003 |
David has asked that I not post our emails. I will honor this request until it is clear he is still not going to pay. By Monday or Tuesday of next week it will be clear. Thanks to you guys he is responding now! I'll keep you all posted. THANKS Andrew | ||
| Edward Bibb (Heirless) Member Username: Heirless Post Number: 56 Registered: 04-2003 |
I like the RR with 174K mile TUNE UP!!!! The annoying aspect of this site is the amount of typo's. And of course the home page features a trashed rover. I would hide that in the back of the site somewhere. | ||
| Simon E. Arenas (Simon) Member Username: Simon Post Number: 161 Registered: 02-2002 |
they have a yahoogroup with 41 members that you could contact: http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/OnLineRoverChat/ | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) New Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2003 |
the spelling there is just as bad | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 571 Registered: 03-2002 |
is it just me, or is there no address listed on this site? sales, service, parts...all from an undisclosed location. or for those accustomed to reading onlinerover's website: iz IT jst me, ore iz their none addres lizted on this sight? | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 145 Registered: 07-2003 |
Maybe he's in KY. is it jest me, o' is thar no address listed on this hyar site? sales, service, parts...all fum an undisclosed locashun. | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 114 Registered: 06-2002 |
Hey Will, pipe down on the KY jokes beeotch! | ||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 189 Registered: 02-2002 |
This has to be the funniest thread I've read on Discoweb in a loooong time! Thanks boys, I needed this chucklefest! Karen | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 371 Registered: 04-2003 |
Greg, why bring lubricants into the discussion?  | ||
| Andrew Lenz (Alenz) New Member Username: Alenz Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2003 |
because it will help me take it better. I think it is working because after this thread I am taking it much better. Latest: I'll get my money back by Nov 15. He says he is "net 30". So, net 30 on an issue that dates back to Aug 20. (Aug 20 the first day I told him that no parts have arrived.) All this just to get the D1 CDL linkage for my D2… | ||
| Jim McNamara (Jimmac) New Member Username: Jimmac Post Number: 8 Registered: 08-2003 |
YOu're not alone http://www.texasrovers.com/_messages/0000009e.htm hit next Jim | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 507 Registered: 02-2003 |
So he is "net 30", is he? That is pure bullshit. Net 30 days only applies when HE bills someone. He does not get to decide how fast he has to pay you. He obviously knows as much about accounting as he does about using a spellchecker. This sounds like another round of smoke and mirrors to me. - Axel | ||
| Larry Solomayer (Solo) New Member Username: Solo Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2002 |
I like the Disco 1 for $14k with "Lost of new parts installed" I take it english is not this guys first language. | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 509 Registered: 02-2003 |
English isn't my native language either, but I still think I manage to spell pretty well.... - Axel | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 876 Registered: 05-2002 |
I would be wary that this guy even knows what a CDL linkage is. However, it is good to hear that he is net 30 because this means I can order stuff from him and not pay him for 30 days. I wonder why everyone keeps losing money | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 776 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL, what a website, and what a load of excuses over on TXrovers. Everything happened to him, short of getting struck by lightning. Andrew, I hope you learned a valuable lesson here...good luck & let us all know when you get your money back. | ||
| James P Groom (Jpg) New Member Username: Jpg Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2003 |
Check out this guidline for use posted by Yahoo. "Yahoo! Groups Guidelines... You may not use Yahoo! Groups for commercial or advertising purposes. " |
