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     Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 379 Registered: 05-2003 |
For anyone who carries spare air filter onboard, I finally found a box that is perfect. Pic is below. I found it at Target, near an area where they had set up disposable Christmas kitchen stuff. Came in pack of 2 for $1.99. The lid fits tight and plastic box is pretty sturdy, but I would not take chance that it is submersible. I've done my share of destroying air filters and have been trying unsuccessfully to cut plastic out of a "tackle box" to make it to fit filter. I was thrilled when I found this, thought I'd share my find.  | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1549 Registered: 04-2002 |
Jamie, There may be an overly obvious answer to my question that I'm not seeing, but why not just leave the filter in the original box? Greg | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 61 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jamie, Have ya done the 'jump on it' test? . . . . .  | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ziplocs bags work great too. Learned in the military, anything you want to keep dry - keep in a Ziploc. The new generation zipper bags have come a long way and can be submerged w/o problems (BTDT). joe | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 991 Registered: 02-2002 |
Or buy the RoverMaid OME plastic box for a mere $79 + tax | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 380 Registered: 05-2003 |
Good thinking Joe, I will put in ziplock bag and then the plastic box!! Excellent CYA!! Greg, unlike the rest of you, I stand (well, almost) in my cargo area when I am trying to find something (better than always having banged up knees getting in and out trying to scale equipment). I highly recommend this method - you just jump up, grab the rail of the roof rack and swing yourself up and in. When I can't find something, I just throw gear out the back door to dig deeper. Latest air filter casualty was via my boot when I jumped out and landed on it. I missed the big stuff I had thrown out onto the ground though, so all was well. Now, I keep the original box all smashed along with the smashed filter in my garage so I can laugh at it. Since I tend to do the same goofy stuff over and over again, I thought I'd give my new spare a better chance at surviving. I always start out organized - but, well... things happen. They actually make a box for that?? I have never heard of RoverMaid, did you make that up?? | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 73 Registered: 10-2003 |
Rovermaid! Thats great | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 383 Registered: 04-2003 |
Surprised no one's mentioned Pelican cases yet. Andy | ||
| Kahbahzahkee (Koby) Senior Member Username: Koby Post Number: 620 Registered: 02-2002 |
Air filter in a sandwich container? http://www.barbneal.com/wav/ltunes/Bugs/Bugs29.wav Andy's got it right. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 880 Registered: 05-2002 |
I carry my spare filter on a shelf in the garage. I would never even consider taking one with me unless I was maybe doing a Chile' to Alaska trek. Even then I would likely rely on a dealer on the way. Please consider that an air filter actually does its job better the more clogged it is. For some reason people seem to think that a dirty air filter means that more dirt is entering the engine. The reality is that the more particles that are clogging the filter actually make the filter more restrictive (i.e. - it filters more) The drawback is that you will lose some performance. However, even with a severely clogged filter the motor should run pretty well since the ECU is programmed to adjust to varying air/fuel mixture ratios. -Curtis | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 390 Registered: 05-2003 |
Wow, I didn't know that. Does that also apply to extremely dirty, windy, sandy areas? Especially when they are combined with wading? Thanks, Jamie | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 882 Registered: 05-2002 |
Jamie, It is possible that an air fliter can become dirty and then wet anough that airflow may be too restrictive. However, this is not likely to last too long since the flow of air through the airbox should dry it out quickly. Further, if the air filter has made it to the point of complete saturation you will likely have more serious problems at hand than what a spare filter can solve. -Curtis | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 392 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks Curtis, That's good to know. My filter would probably be safer on garage shelf! I'm hoping my snorkel takes care of any troubles like you described. Thanks, Jamie PS, I'm slowly inching my way thru Haynes Automotive Electrical Manual you recommended. Recently set studying it aside when studying power inverter sine waves - true sine - and something else. Decided I need a break, things were starting to go over my head. I'll get back to it though, I have been making pretty good progress for a total noviced. It has helped me to not overload my systems as I have made changes. Only a few boo boos, but I learned why, and also learned to have spare fuses for my set up. I've also been "doing the math" to know what certain areas will take and to also allow for surge - so I know to stay below the numbers. Interesting taking amps that a particular item draws into consideration. For instance, I blew up my ARB adventure light (my fault) and decided to go with something else even though I was hooked on that light. Could not find anything that even came close that lamp. It draws 1 amp, yet other lamps for the same purpose drew 10, and they weren't even close in their effectiveness. Ended up buying another ARB and shipped mine out for repair (so I guess I will have one for "back up". Anyway, it is nice to have learned enough to make informed choices -- so thanks. I would never have even guessed that such a book existed. Your suggestion was top notch and I thank you again. It might take me awhile, but I'll keep plugging away at it. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 152 Registered: 05-2003 |
I do a lot of wheeling in the Pine Barrens of NJ. Lots of sand, mud and water. And always carry a spare air filter. I've gotten the filter wet on some water crossings, and I feel a lot better with a dry filter in there, rather than letting the air flow draw the excess moisture into the engine. It doesn't take up that much room, so for me its worth it. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 395 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jaime, that's cool. I got lucky at a book store and was able to pick up 2 land rover magazines, they are hard to come by here since Barnes and Nobel quit stocking them. I think one of the stories was about wheeling in New Jersey. There was another story about wheeling somewhere else in the US and I think I recognized a few of the names. Wherever they were, I thought I recognized the names of the trails/events from Dweb posts. However, I could be wrong - it was very late when I was reading the articles! I'll have to go look at the magazines again! | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 84 Registered: 10-2003 |
a little moisture in the engine is okay, it used to be common before computers took over engine managment to add water injection. Edlebrock made a kit I used to have on a Trans Am (it was a shameful time in my life ) The water helped with engine ping. Kept the carbon deposits down. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 886 Registered: 05-2002 |
Jamie - Glad I could help. Just one more word of advice on the book: Don't read stuff you will not be able to use shortly after studying. That info sticks to the brain like oiled paper if you don't have an immediate way to apply the knowledge. Once your hands do the work you will probably never forget. Lewis - I posted elsewhere that I just saw heads popped off a 3.9 with a blown head gasket. The ingress of coolant and water made that motor look cleaner than clean. Granted, water can be hell on oil, but coming in the intake, not much will make it in the pan. You start worrying about stuff like carrying spare filters and the next thing you know you will just be towing a spare parts Rover behind you I'm not saying it is a bad idea. If you have the space, why not? But I would also suggest that carrying spare filters while wheeling risks abrading the filter surface and causing small holes. Holes in filters are much worse than clogged filters. Then again - what do I know. I live in Utah and there isn't much water here | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 555 Registered: 09-2002 |
"...I live in Utah..." Not fair, you're ALLOWED to have at least 2 of everything , right? SC | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 887 Registered: 05-2002 |
Actually Steve, I think you can even have more than two. The shirt I am wearing now is for a local beer called Polygamy Porter. Thier motto: "Bring one home for the wives" However, as you well know I am from Texas and that is where my roots lie. Utah is just an extended vacation and I honestly think it has got to be the best place in the world to call home | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 153 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, The November issue of Land Rover Monthly has an article titled "jersey Devil". That was the trip organized by Dean Brown and Peter Blatt, who are both frequent dweb contributors. My truck is the dark green one with the tsunami in front!...That's where I learned about wet filters, and the wisdom of carrying a spare in that environment. | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) New Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2003 |
I had the misfortune on my first off road excursion to sink my truck upto it's door handles on the driver's side. http://www.landroveradventure.com/mod.php?mod=gallery&op=media&media_id=915 Water entered my air filter box, soaked my filter and worked it's way into the engine stalling it. After taking out the plugs and drying the filter on my hood for a few hours I was on my way none the worse for wear. Amongst all the lessons that I learned that day was: 1. that the risk of dammage to the engine was actually slim, as long as I let it dry out and change the oil ASAP (along with the diffs and cleaning the breater vents). 2. The bigest risk for expensive dammage, even if the engine isn't killed, is the Mass Air Flow Sensor between the filter and the intake. Apparently, the screen in it can short out if anything greater than water mist make's it through the filter. 3. And because of number 2 keep a spare air filter, even if it is the one you took out at your last service. It can significantly expidite the recovery and avoid damaging the MAFS. Victor | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 155 Registered: 05-2003 |
Victor, This past weekend we did a 'Lunar eclipse Pine Barrens Night Run' from saturday afternoon 'till about 4am Sunday. It was Dean, Peter, Rick Neff and I. At one point, we noticed that a Jeep Cherokee that had been following us stopped moving. It turned out he soaked his air cleaner, ingested water into his engine, and broke something...big time. There was an oil slick coming from his engine. Water does not compress, and when ingested into the engine in suficient amount, it will break something expensive. The Mass Air Flow sensor will stop the Rover engine if it gets wet. Good thinking on the part of Rover engineers! | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 995 Registered: 02-2002 |
Victor, I don't agree with 1 at all. You aint got water in the engine! Number 2 I never heard of that. The MAF sensor does cut out when wet but I never seen one short like that. 3 Good idea, but you are clearly in desperate need of a snorkel, all your problems will disappear! Dean | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) New Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2003 |
Dean, LOL! I couldn't agree more. A snorkel was at the top of my Christmas list this year. Maybe I overstated point 1 as a generality, but as a specific to my experience... The MAF sensor functioned exactly as you suggested it would, stopping the engine before it ingested too much water. Even though, it did ingest enough that when I cranked it with the plugs out I'm told it was squirting water, and water poured out from the air hose on both sides of the MAF. The tree gods were smiling on me that day. The crazy thing was that the other stock'97 disco that went across ahead of me had no problems, seemingly picking the perfect line through the water. I, on the other hand, managed to find the eroded edge of the berm. A combination of inexperience and bad luck. Victor | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 998 Registered: 02-2002 |
Victor, Well I take that back then, maybe you did have water in the engine! Did you have very high revs when you were driving through? The MAF will cut the fuel, but if the revs are high enough it still has momentum enough to suck in, so you are lucky you took out the sparks and have no damage! I keep locked in low gear and never let the revs go high, no matter how tempting it, you should do the same. Or, no, just go and buy the snorkel instead quickly! | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 403 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks Guys! Sounds like a case of "better safe than sorry". I'm kicking my spare filter "upstairs" to ride with the lighter stuff "I might need" on my roof rack. I have snorkel, but I am still way cautious about water and wading. Maybe someday I will be lucky and have diesel, but as it is, I keep reminding myself that all these fancy electronics were not made for water. I don't want to "come to a stop" because I can't afford expensive repairs or replacements. You guys are good at getting stuff going again, but I am defenitely not! (at least not yet??) I do carry a tiny little tiny can of wire dryer in in the pocket beside my tire changing kit for CYA, but I hope I don't have to use that OR change a tire. Most of the time I feel like Lucille Ball on a trail ride anyway. That is just TOO COOL about magazine, now I'm going back to reread article and look at pics in it for sure!! Bill and Rachel are here!! |
