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     Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1561 Registered: 04-2002 |
I just went out to change some brake pads, and my wheel lock key broke. How can I get another one of these? I purchased the wheel locks from the dealer, however their parts department has already closed for the evening. Is this something I can get in hand immediately? I leave for SAE on Thursday, and don't want to get into a bad situation over a flat tire. Thanks, Greg | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1562 Registered: 04-2002 |
Do you guys think I could put some JB Weld on this to try to fix it until I can get another one? The problem is the pattern piece that fits the key, came out of the socket piece. The teeth are stripped badly and it won't turn the lug nut. I imagine the tire dealer I just went to on Sunday must have over torqued something. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 781 Registered: 04-2003 |
go back to the tire dealer and make them take care of you I doubt JB will hold... | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1563 Registered: 04-2002 |
Any clue who makes the land rover wheel locks? I'm wondering if I could get a key overnighted to me from somewhere? | ||
| Chad M Lock (Cmlmtn) New Member Username: Cmlmtn Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2003 |
where are you located? | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1564 Registered: 04-2002 |
Florida. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1565 Registered: 04-2002 |
I went ahead and set the key up with JB weld to give it a try, but it has to cure for 4 to 6 hours. I figure if I can just get the locks off, I can put the original lug nuts back on and be done with it. | ||
| Brent Fox (Bfox) Member Username: Bfox Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2002 |
A tire shop will usually have a set of removal tools for people who have lost their keys. I had them remove some locking nuts from mine when I bought it and it took them no time at all. Brent | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1566 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks Blue and Brent. If the key doesn't hold, I'll go by the tire place in the morning to see if they can get them off. Right now, I just want to get them off and leave them off.  | ||
| mark gomez (Mark) New Member Username: Mark Post Number: 31 Registered: 05-2003 |
This happened to me a long time ago with a car I had bought used. Basically, I used hardend drill bits to drill holes in the lock until the lock finally broke off. I started out with small bits and increased the size gradually. It was a real pita but it worked. I'm not a big fan of wheel locks anymore and will not use them for anything. Most thugs will just steal the whole car anyways. The bits I used were diamond tiped titanium from Home Depot. Good luck - Mark | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1567 Registered: 04-2002 |
I talked to Tiresplus and they said they don't have any way to get them off. I'm hopeful the jb weld will hold long enough to get them off, but if not I guess I go to the dealer first thing tomorrow. It never fails that something always happens right before a trip. | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 87 Registered: 05-2003 |
what about slamming a socket that might fit with a big hammer, and then wrenching it off, or welding a snug socket to the wheel lock. But - then you don't have a lug nut to hold it in place to get a replacement one. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 81 Registered: 10-2003 |
vise grips. The ones with the angled jaws. My wife 'misplaced' her key and this is how I got hers off. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 613 Registered: 03-2003 |
Greg, The Genuine Land Rover wheel locks that I have seen were made by McGard. Check out: http://www.mcgard.com/ Take a look at your plastic box for the wheel locks. There should be registration materials in there that contain the serial number of your wheel locks. You can give this information to McGard and McGard will send you a replacement key. Another option is to remove the wheel locks with a twist socket like so: http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/pro_det.asp?search=true&item_ID=65859&PartNo=209t sfsmya&group_id=11918&store=snapon-store&tool=all These twist sockets will remove almost anything. They have tapered helical slots in them like so: http://www.matcotools.com/ProductImages/tss5d.jpg Just slide the twist socket over the rounded fastener or wheel lock and turn counterclockwise with a long ratchet or impact wrench. The twist socket will bit into the mangled fastener or wheel lock and it will turn right out no problem. The only problem would be is if they don't make these sockets large enough to fit over the wheel lock. You have to measure the diameter of the wheel lock to be sure. The largest size that Snap-on makes is 19mm. These sockets will also obviously mangle the wheel lock, but I don't consider this to be a real problem since you're going to toss those pieces of shit into the garbage, aren't you? Good luck. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2135 Registered: 02-2002 |
When in doubt and time is not on your side, Porter has the quickest idea Greg. You will sacrifice a couple sockets, but it will be done. I went through this crap with my VW a few years ago. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1568 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks for the tips. I'll see what happens tomorrow with the JB Welded original one. If that fails, I'll find a shop and see if I can get a hand full of walmart special sockets welded on to them. I'll also call LR to see if they can get me a key ASAP, but I'm doubting they can. Once these come off, they are staying off. Thanks again, Greg | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 641 Registered: 08-2002 |
All LR dealerships have a full set of keys for all LR locks. So just stop by the dealer in the morning and have them removed and put your old lug nuts on until you can get a replacement key. The link John gave you to McGard may answer your long term prayers....there is a Special Products Division Satellite Office in Georgia, in fact it is just off of I-85 about 30 miles SE of Dawsonville. (Remarkable considering there are only 3 of these satelites in the country, the other two in Texas and Missouri.) And you are heading that way Thursday for SAE!! Good luck! McGard Special Products Division Satellite Office 4404 Commerce Road, Jefferson, GA 30549 Phone: 706-336-8063 • Fax: 706-336-8064 | ||
| Mike Bauer (Mikeb) Member Username: Mikeb Post Number: 134 Registered: 02-2003 |
Greg: I am in Tampa. If I recall correctly, you are not too far from me. If all fails, you can come by my place and use my key. Thanks, Mike B. mike(at)discocrazy.org | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1570 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks. I'm down in Bonita. Not sure if the keys are the same. If I can't get it resolved tomorrow I'll email you. Thanks again, Greg | ||
| ron morgan (Rpm2429) New Member Username: Rpm2429 Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2003 |
FYI jb weld is garbage, get some "epoxo 88" if you can't find it, post and I will get you the address of them. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 548 Registered: 04-2001 |
I well placed blow with a chisel and the three pound sledge should remove them if you are carefull (wheel damage is possible) and good (and ruin the lug in the process). If you can get the bolt out thing like John suggests big enough that would be great but I have not seen them big enough to work. McGard sucks in my experience as far as getting new keys quickly, but all the dealers should have a master set. Also you could just weld a nut onto the end and take it off that way (of course you need to have access to a welder). Ron | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 394 Registered: 05-2003 |
Wouldn't a locksmith be able to do that fast & simple? I've lost some keys to some strange items and they always came thru and able to open broken locks/keys and made new keys on the spot. They also made keys for some antiques when I lost the originals. Prior to my experiences, I thought locksmiths just made house keys. Supposedly, they can get any lock off, open, and/or make a key. If you want to get it off your mind, most shops do 24 hour emergency calls (I know this because I have lost my house keys a few times too). Just a thought. Another idea? Call AAA. Surely their emergency service has ways of dealing with this. You're not the first to do this, if they fix flats, they've got to have a way to get wheel locks off without keys. If you don't have AAA yourself, you are covered if you have someone in your car that is a AAA member. Good Luck Greg, Jamie | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1571 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks everyone. I'm going to go try the patched key this morning, and if it doesn't work I'll head over to the dealer to see if they can get them off. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 138 Registered: 02-2003 |
Chisel & Hammer is the way to go...did 4 trucks that way , and no, we were not stealing them, but they were bought off the MOD in Lebanon like that! | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1574 Registered: 04-2002 |
Thanks Nadim. I tried the patched key and as predicted it didn't hold. I'll check with the dealer this morning. If they don't have the keys, then I'll go to plan B which is look for a weling shop to put some nuts on the ends of the locks. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 617 Registered: 03-2003 |
"If I recall correctly, you are not too far from me. If all fails, you can come by my place and use my key." LOL. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1576 Registered: 04-2002 |
Here's the update: I called dealer this morning. Dealer in Fort Myers, Florida. They said come on up and we will get them off. Drove up there, and they told me, "sorry, didn't someone call you. we don't have the master keys. You will have to go to the other dealer in Naples." (same ownership) Drive down to Naples and they tell me "we don't have master keys for land rover. Only for Porsche." At this point, I'm flipping out and ask them to just try to get them off any way they can. The guy starts grinding and cutting on the lock and trying every sort of tool and stuff. Tried to hammer a socket on and stuff. I'm just standing back cringing and watching. Finally, with no luck, he gives up and goes to try to see about ordering a key via overnight delivery. In the mean time, another gentleman comes up and takes a pneumatic chisel and gets the lock to turn off. I run get the guy off the phone and tell him they are getting them off. When we come back, the guy with the chisel says "why aren't you guys just using the master keys" Duh............... Turns out they had a set of keys and only one guy in the dealership knew they did. They took the rest off in a matter of 5 minutes. I tossed the locks in the trash. Thanked them and left. They didn't charge me a dime............. LOL............ What a morning! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 785 Registered: 04-2003 |
the guy with the chisel says "why aren't you guys just using the master keys" Larry, Moe, & Curly....LOL | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1577 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yeah tell me about it. LOL I was so upset at this point, that I just about busted out laughing when he asked us. Made the whole experience more tolerable and humorus. Thank you everyone for the helpful posts. Greg | ||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 646 Registered: 08-2002 |
WTF....stay away from those two places Greg! Sheesh. At least they didn't add insult t injury and charge you! | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1578 Registered: 04-2002 |
Well, to their credit, there are a couple of good guys working there. Florida LR Club guys. I think it's just the over all mentallity of the place that doesn't fit well with me. They are located in a place that is the fastest growing retirement area in the country, and they are dealing with people that own $1mm+ homes, so it's not a big deal to whip out the Amex Platinum or Check book and pay for a $1,800 brake job. Me on the other hand................ I work for a living. Enough said. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 788 Registered: 04-2003 |
yeah, have to give credit where credit is due - they got the job done and the price was right. Just sounds like a funny adventure. | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1579 Registered: 04-2002 |
Amen to that, Blue. I very much appreciated their help. Hell, I would have been happy if they air chiseled them all off, as long as the locks were off the wheels. Two ways to look at it. They have a pretty good service policy to have helped me out in a bind and done it for free. But it's just funny to see how disorganized they could be. Also, the fact that their prices are between 2 and 3 times the other dealers around the country, make them out of my grasp for most things. I picked up one lug nut. I had 4 originals, and needed one more. The one lug was $20. The guy gave it to me for $15. Is that average, high or about right? I don't know, but it seemed high to me. So, as far as getting the job done, they are a great dealer. As far as treating the customer right, they are a great dealer. As far as most everything goes, they are a great dealer. Just too pricey for me. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 91 Registered: 10-2003 |
I've got a buddy in Dallas (Jeeps of North Texas) that had the same lock trouble. He ended up putting a lift on his Jeep with the front tires still on! He's called 'Lugnut' now | ||
| Greg (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1581 Registered: 04-2002 |
The dealer did have one of these sitting out front though:  "2003 G4 Edition Discovery Designed to showcase the capability of Discovery, Land Rover will build a limited number of Discoverys modeled after the vehicles currently in use at the Land Rover G4 Challenge event. Off-road capability is at the core of the Land Rover G4 Edition Discovery. The combination of a 4.6 liter, 217hp V8 engine, five-speed automatic transmission, two-speed transfer case with locking center differential, four-wheel electronic traction control (ETC), and Self-Leveling Suspension (SLS) give the Discovery G4 Edition it's greatest off-road capability ever. " |
