| Author | Message | ||
     jesse a henning (Darw_n) New Member Username: Darw_n Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2003 |
which brands (US) do you all use? I have been using shell and sometimes sunoco 94, and I have always heard never ever us BP. any words or thoughts? | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 118 Registered: 01-2003 |
I have used BP in my Disco almost exclusively for two years now, and have had no ill effects; if you know something I don't, please, feel free to enlighten me. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2003 |
Conoco | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 190 Registered: 08-2003 |
Well i got last fill up in Phillips66, which i normally avoid like plague - and of course now i got piles of water dripping from exhaust, which again prooves their petrol is total crap.. While i was living in Houston i was normally going to Texaco & Chevron (depending on kind of weather - colder or hotter). In CO i stopped to care much, but i still would try to get one of those two, if i got any choice. | ||
| luis cardon (Luisc8) New Member Username: Luisc8 Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2003 |
In southwest Michigan I use shell its cheaper and my disco 1 seem to start easier and runs cleaner. If I have less repairs that week I will splerge and put in mobil. | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 909 Registered: 05-2002 |
Chevron. There is no substitute. | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 402 Registered: 04-2003 |
I get fuel mostly at Go-mart or Chevron, but have been known to stop and get fuel at the nearest fuel station when nearing 1/4 tank of fuel......I don't ever want to find out the gauge isn't accurate.....BTDT | ||
| wayne reyes (Snodog) New Member Username: Snodog Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2003 |
I have had 2 bad experiences with bp gas (got 2 bad fill-ups)hesitation and jumping idle. 2 bottles dry gas corrected problems both times. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2637 Registered: 02-2002 |
We don't have a Chevron around here. I use Exxon. I won't touch Marathon.... or FoodCity/WallyWorld gases. -L | ||
| damon doerschuk (Dcd) New Member Username: Dcd Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2003 |
Anything but BP. Had bad experiences with BP in an older DII and a VW 1.8t. Hesitation, weird starts, funky idle. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 810 Registered: 02-2002 |
we have a Phillips 66 at almost every corner here in Tulsa since it was founded in OK. never had any problem with it. usually use Texaco, 66, or "Get and Go". all have worked without any problems. Premium in Tulsa area is now 1.42/gallon by the way. | ||
| Mike Neher (Neherly) New Member Username: Neherly Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2003 |
Does everybody use only Premium grade gas or are there regular unleaded users here? Need to convince my wife to stop with the reg. unlead if there is reason to do so. | ||
| Hill Mainor (Gahill2) Member Username: Gahill2 Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2003 |
I talked to a guy at SAE that put 87 into his Disco. I put 93 in mine. Is it ok to put 87? Does anyone else do that as well? | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 191 Registered: 08-2003 |
Mike basically timing&mixture r set up for premium, so you slowly destroying your engine if use regular. | ||
| Trevor (Daredvl) Member Username: Daredvl Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
Rumor has it that those that use 87 are more likely to have their valves go bad in short time. | ||
| Rich Peterson (Rpet) New Member Username: Rpet Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2003 |
You have to put 93 or better in your rover.. If not you will witness a ticking sound coming from you rover. Funny story... when I first got my rover I was loving it, except that I kept hearing a ticking when the engine was running... So I brought the truck for its first visit to the rover dealer... I told them what was wrong... the mechanic before even looking at the truck said "What kind of gas are you putting in here?" I replied "87.. somtimes 89" he started laughing and said "Listen.. take your car... go to the gas station.. fill up with 93 or better, and save your money because your going to need it for your future rover dealer visits!!"... Every since then havent heard a tick since. He was a nice guy could have easily charged me 100.00 or more for the diagnostic... Good Luck! Rpet | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2642 Registered: 02-2002 |
The 4.0 is susceptible to valve-issues. The 3.9 isn't as bad.... so an earlier '94-'95 Disco, I'd not be too concerned about mid-grade, but '96-on, I'd insist on premium. And, I didn't use to say that: I used to justify mid-grade, but..... well, Rover valve-jobs are expensive. Don't use regular in a Disco.... But, in a Series Rover, sure, no problem.....  -L | ||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 775 Registered: 02-2002 |
I always have gas problems... Glenn | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 811 Registered: 02-2002 |
Series LR with a 4 in it that is! Jaime | ||
| Geoff 93 RRC (Geoff) Member Username: Geoff Post Number: 152 Registered: 11-2002 |
Chevron has best cleaning additives and is recommended by name by BMW and Volkswagon. | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 119 Registered: 01-2003 |
Well, the BP bug must've not bitten me yet. Hopefully it never will. | ||
| Danno (Danno) Senior Member Username: Danno Post Number: 332 Registered: 08-2002 |
i use 87 octane on my 96 Disco and haven't had any valve problems in the 120k miles that i've owned it. i also use BP in both my Disco, RR 4.6 and SAAB w/o any problems. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 151 Registered: 05-2003 |
Union 76 or Chevron - regular. Chevron has Techron in their gas and it actually does what Chevron claims - clean valves(intake anyway) and combustion chamber. You can buy it at most parts stores. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 152 Registered: 05-2003 |
Oh yeah, in California, Union 76 got rid of the MTBE additive. Every other brand still uses it. MTBE has contaminated many wells out here. If you're in a state that has MTBE, patronize stations that don't use it. If there are any. Or write to your state congressmen to get it out. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2645 Registered: 02-2002 |
Whoa! I killed a Jeep I had using Union76. I grew up w/ the local station being a 76, and had no problems for years. But then.... I had this Cherokee, and filled up on my way from my parents, heading back to college. A mile down the road, the thing started bucking, would hardly run. Once back to school, I was back on Exxon (no 76's there), and it started running okay again. At that point, I thought it was just a hiccup. About a month later, I'm up near Ft. Campbell, and I gas up at a '76. Again, same thing.... I make it to Nashville, and pull in at an Exxon. I get a siphon hose, pull the gas out, and fill it up again, and, it does better. However, the damage was done, it wasn't running well anymore, whereas it had been fine before. The mechanic cut open the fuel filter, and there were metal shavings in it. Not good. Had to replace the carb to get it to run half-way decent. It wasn't until later that I learned what really happened. Unocal was using something in their gas, akin to alcohol. The fuel-pump on that particular model of Jeep can't take it, and basically shaves its internal bits apart, because of the different density of the fluid. I won't touch Union 76. I'm glad they're not using MTBE, but, I still won't touch their crap. -L | ||
| Jay Reeves (Jay) New Member Username: Jay Post Number: 13 Registered: 10-2003 |
Regarding the 87 vs 93 and burnt valves: I heard that same thing too this last weekend at SAE. Can someone explain to a dummy how the higher octane can help keep from getting a burnt valve? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2648 Registered: 02-2002 |
It's not burnt valves, it's sticking valves. The octane changes the compression/knock pre-ignition relationships. The higher octane holds off the combustion and produces a more thorough burn. The lower octane, in an engine that wants the higher octane, will end up with more particulates from a not-as-complete burn, and will begin to collect on the valve stems. The 4.0's valve tolerences were actually too close, and the accumulation of carbon build-up on them begins to inhibit a smooth valve action. This slows the valve's response, which alters the engine's performance, which also further causes additional carbon buildup, which causes additional valve issues, which could eventually lead to a bent valve from it being delayed 'til a piston manages to smack it. Also: not changing your oil frequently will additionally contribute to this problem. Go look at the other thread where they're talking about the sludge build-up inside the valve cover (and in the oil pan, etc.) (the "does your oil light flicker" thread). The same people that run cheaper gas will often be the ones that stretch the time between oil-changes as long as they can. Not good w/ the Rover 4.0. So.... Change your oil frequently, and run higher-octane, and your 4.0 will have a better chance at having a longer life. -L | ||
| Rick Cordova (Imx) Member Username: Imx Post Number: 67 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well said. | ||
| jesse a henning (Darw_n) New Member Username: Darw_n Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2003 |
here's what I heard: BP, there additives are actually not really that good, and for some reason, european cars seem particularly sensitive for this. I beleive audi specifically recomends not using BP, anyone have any words on that? the ticing noise that someone mentioned: that noise is the rocker arms, i just had mine replaced. aparently, the couplings are alum joining steel, and this is a bad thing, eventually the joining starts to give, producing bad lifting, producing ticing. not sure if gas does this. but if you tic, its your rocker arms, and it costs about 5-600 to fix both. | ||
| Tony Zuniga (Tony23007) Member Username: Tony23007 Post Number: 203 Registered: 05-2003 |
My 2-cents, use only premium gas on your Rovers, why? Because of the simple piece of mind that comes with running good gas on a somewhat temperative engine. The Rover Engine is prone to valve problems, but this can be avoided if you take care of your car. Simply put you will get what you put in your car. If you use cheap gas, you will get cheap performance, if you use more expensive gas you will save later on with repairs. Usually Premium gas runs about 15 to 20 cent higher that adds up to about around $3.00 bucks more a fill up, 4 fill-ups a month that's $12.00, 48 fill ups a year and that comest to around $150.00 dollars a year extra for good gas!! That's nothing compared to a valve job, a rocker arm job or even worst an engine replacement plust not to mention the headache that comes with all of these problems. Regardless of what brand you use Exxon, Chevron, Seven-Eleven, go with the high grade it is worth it!!! Now I don't know why the Mid grade is only 89% Octane with the Regular at 87 and the High is 93%, I would think the gasoline mfg would make the Mid grade around 90% hense MidGrade but then again I don't make the stuff so go figure!!!!! | ||
| Rich Peterson (Rpet) New Member Username: Rpet Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2003 |
In response to Jesse a Henning's post.. my engine only gave me a slight ticking when I was running the 87 gas... IMMEDIATELY after I stop using 87 and changed to 93 it went away.. havent heard a tick in over 2 years since those first two weeks I got the car and was running 87... so I dont think it s the rocker arms... As for gas.. your book says to run 93, the land rover tech told me to run 93, I run 93.. I dont care what brand... actually I stop at any gas station in town... I dont have any brand preference... I just always fill up with 93. You know.. I live in a place called Newburgh, NY.... we have a TON of gas docking stations where the big tankers fill up after the gas coming off the ships (on the hudson river in new york)... you guys would be surprised how many companys use the same gas!! The only companys that have their own docking stations are Hess, Mobil, and Sunoco.. everyone else here in new york fills up at the same place... same gas... so dont fall into these gas company ads that you are getting "better" or "different" gas all the time... cuz most of the time its the same exact gas... Thanks, Rich | ||
| Luis Constantin (Luisc) Member Username: Luisc Post Number: 163 Registered: 02-2003 |
What I have never been able to figure out is, why would LR put an engine in a vehicle that is designed to be driven in places where sometimes people are just plain fortunate to even have petro despensed on the roadside out of a milk carton,as I have seen in Vietnam or Laos, and I'm sure is the case in some African nations, let alone 93 octane? High octane in some countries is 83. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 423 Registered: 10-2002 |
I use premium 99% of the time and use any brand. I've put in 87 a couple of times when it was the only option. I'm pushing 200,000 miles on my D1 with not a SINGLE engine problem! Change oil and plugs and that's about it. | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2003 |
Luis, the Rovers designed for that all come with either the 200tdi or 300tdi on the earlier units or a TD5 in the new units. Apparently Americans in general do not take to diesels and would prefer a shorter life, thirstier gas engine. Go figure. Also, one of my friends works for a local chain of gas stations around here (Pilot oil) and told me all the stations (Pilot and others) here in Knoxville and surrounding cities get their gas from the same place, and that it is really all the same. He also told me that sometimes if they run out of 87 in the truck they will just use the higher grades left (usually the highest) and end up filling some of the stations up with that in all of their tanks. Just a thought, but wouldn't it be nice to know which stations get all 93? Oh well, I guess that would be a little risky. Matt | ||
| Jay Reeves (Jay) New Member Username: Jay Post Number: 15 Registered: 10-2003 |
"'m pushing 200,000 miles on my D1 with not a SINGLE engine problem!" Oh, man....you did it now!!! | ||
| Wendal Lui (Wendal) New Member Username: Wendal Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2003 |
I can tell from general concensus that using '87 is a bad idea, now how about '89? | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 250 Registered: 12-2002 |
use whatever you can afford, and don't let these fuel snobs get to you. marc | ||
| Darryll Mills (Emnat) New Member Username: Emnat Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2003 |
I burned my o2 sensors back in the summer and when I replaced them I was asked which fuel I used. I had always used the cheep stuff to which the mechanic said thats why. I have been using top grade phillips 66 since. I'm a new member, GREAT site. | ||
| Brian O'Connor (Hooky) New Member Username: Hooky Post Number: 33 Registered: 09-2003 |
I don't get it... I've used every bottom drawer cheap-o gas I could find between Alaska and Florida and a good number of points in between. I�ve had consistent gas mileage and performance. My mileage drops if I�m in the throttle, towing or driving into a stiff head wind. I�ve never experienced hesitation, or rough idle unless there has been something wrong with the truck � so far each time it can be traced back to a sensor that has died. We aren�t talking about F1 cars here. Change your oil once in a while and drive� Sorry this whole �what gas question�� and ensuing mystery just has me stupefied! I mean it�s possible I suppose to get a �bad� load anywhere, at any station at any time. Just like getting a bad meal at a restaurant. Once in a blue moon it�s going to happen, you can of course be selective, but in truth that is no guarantee. I have literally driven from AK to Fl and crisscrossed America. I have almost always used whatever is cheapest except when I want to test a difference in mileage or �perceived� performance. The mileage gains I have recorded could simply be attributed to driving conditions rather than the fuel itself�and performance gains??? Not sure I have the equipment other than the seat of my pants to record performance differences � and my seat tells me the difference, if any, isn�t enough to get excited about. Which brings me back to save a buck� Our engines do not require the high-octane stuff so why bother. My wife�s Wolfsburg Jetta 1.8T does require it and it does make a difference. My dad is the kind of guy that strongly believes in the �good gas� legend. He buys his gas from one place only (unless traveling, and then it kills him to purchase from any other place � even the same brand). I don�t know that this practice has got him anywhere but stressed out. Be more concerned with hitting each one of your scheduled maintenance intervals, and having the vital fluids replaced. That use of energy and time will better serve you. So how many people here still believe in the tooth fairy? | ||
| Brian O'Connor (Hooky) New Member Username: Hooky Post Number: 34 Registered: 09-2003 |
BTW I've got 154K on my 96 that I've had since 97. My service manager says it is the most mechanically sound older Disco they see... and the mechanics have offerd to buy it when I'm done with it... Go figure. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1260 Registered: 02-2003 |
good for you brian. keep on truckin' |
