| Author | Message | ||
     Brad Russell (Bradnc) Senior Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 317 Registered: 03-2002 |
I'm planning on getting a Milemarker here in the next month or so. I know you can fit the 9,000 lbs. winch in a TJM bar on a D1, but will one of the 10,500 lbs. winches fit as well? Also, two options are availible for the winches. One has a Power IN/OUT. Anyone know what the difference is? There's two options on each size on milemarker's website. thanks for the help. Brad | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1045 Registered: 02-2002 |
Brad - note the 12K its the same size as the 10.5K | ||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Senior Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 318 Registered: 03-2002 |
oh, i didn't see that. thanks. Will both of those fit? | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1046 Registered: 02-2002 |
I dunno. I put the 12K in a RTE slimline and I had to cut its end-handle and weld back at 90 degrees to save about an inch so it would fit. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 199 Registered: 02-2003 |
Either will fit...the power in/out is basically what it says. It lets u load or unload the winch under power. unlike a electric winch, you don't have a reverse without the power in/out...on the D1, you'll need to rig a additional pump, the PS pump won't provide enough GPM (Gallon per minute) or PSI (pounds per square inch) to drive the hydraulics. On a DII, the PS has the PSI (1500psi), but runs very slow because of a low GPM (1.8gpm)...I used a ACE pump on my DII (2.7gmp at 2000rpm, 1.9gpm at 700rpm-idle) and it has the same line speed as my old electric warn...but I also had some custom work done on the valve body to increase strenght... cheers frank | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 1083 Registered: 04-2002 |
I've got the TJM bumper on my D1 with the MileMarker Electric 9000# winch. I truely don't see how anything larger would fit. It is all this one can do to fully wind up the cable and not be rubbing the inside of the bumper. So I would assume that the answer to your question would be a no. For your other question, one is an electric and one is hydraulic, thus the differences. Electric is quick and painless to hook up, and the hydraulic will take some planning and rigging. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1049 Registered: 02-2002 |
Robert - the hydraulics are smaller than electrics, thaat's why it miht fit. But what Brad's asking as not about the electric/hydraulic he's comparing two versions of the hydraulic. Brad if you're going to install t yourself onto an ace or ps pump, you need the entire kit, and possibly a trip to the hydraulics shop if the adapter doesn't fit (D2 it doesn't). Dean | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) New Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2003 |
Over the next several weeks I will be installing one of these puppies also. If you have a DII without ACE, then the comment about putting a second pump on in the ACE position is a good one. However, I have ACE, and love it. So I'm replacing my p/s pump with a 120 bar 3 gpm pump and using a smaller displacement hydraulic motor on the winch than std... in order to deliver an appropriate stall rating with a line speed that will be much sexier than with the stock pump. Followed by a 65 bar relief valve before the fluid hits the steering box. Kit from Alfred Murray Ltd. The instructions that come with the kit are piss poor, and I can foresee multiple trips to miscellaneous shops for bits and bobs before everything is completed. Not to mention that I am taking the opportunity to replace my leaky radiator, relocate the wash bottle, fit a bumper, a snorkel and possibly reorganize some of the auxiliary electrics I have stuck under the hood. However, I suspect the final result will be rather nice. Will keep you posted. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 282 Registered: 02-2002 |
Donald, I just installed the same kit. The install is fairly simple. Make sure that for the relief valve you T into the line that goes from the box to the resevoir. If you T into the supply line to the pump, the air bubbles from the relief valve will cause the pump to operate poorly. Another thing: my relief valve was set incorrectly from the factory. The valve was set too low and steering the truck was awful. I'd recommend getting a pressure gauge that you can plumb right after the relief valve to make sure that the pressure is set right. If you need to get additional hose, make sure to get nitrile hose; heater hose(EPDM) is attacked by the ATF. | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) New Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2003 |
Mike, Couple of questions come rapidly to mind... 1. The pulley he sent me is some Ford pulley with two big v notches that is clearly totally wrong for the DII serpentine belt. Were you able to re-use the pulley off of the old pump? Are the pulley mounting bolts the same pattern/size? 2. Understood re. relief valve output -- that was my plan anyway, I just didn't understand all the reasons why... 3. relief valve setting -- are you saying that it was not 65 bar as marked, or that 65 bar is too low... I have no idea how to recalibrate the relief valve... maybe my relief valve is a different design? mine is from hypro.co.uk and appears to have a pre-calibrated and stamped valve screwed in with no external adjustments. 4. Location, location, location. (and mounting) I have assembled the control valve and t piece and relief valve as one unit. Just the two bolts on the milemarker control valve seems like awfully little to support the dynamic stresses of this overall assembly without imposing undue vibration and possible early leak/failure on the t piece. Thoughts? As for location, I am contemplating mounting IMMEDIATELY behind the left headlight. Somewhat vulnerable in the event of a crash, but it's the only piece of spare real estate where I can see myself mounting the valve against a suitable metal panel with enough space and appropriate distances for the supplied hoses. Thoughts? Thanks for the advice. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1052 Registered: 02-2002 |
There is another option - the power take off (PTO) pump that attaches to the back of the transfer case. But that's a whole new kettle of fish. If only I could find a reliable piece of evidence that it will fit, I would buy one. Dean | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) New Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hmm, I am not familiar with the LT230 having an option for this... but even if it did I believe that one of the big problems with most PTO driven winches is what gear the vehicle can be in (e.g. neutral only) / can the vehicle be driven at same time / is use of reverse OK (counter-rotating) ... etc. All kinds of complications. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 146 Registered: 10-2003 |
in reguards to the drum size w/wire, you can use winch rope. It doesn't take up as much space, it flattens out on the drum. Both my winches run rope from M.O.R.E., The price is nice and you get two sheaths and a big ol' hook included in the price. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1263 Registered: 02-2003 |
dean have you talked with bill davis (GBR) about that PTO pump? Michel Findlay has the PTO pump from Bill fitted to his Tcase on the D1. rd | ||
| Toby Walsh (Toby) New Member Username: Toby Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2003 |
Maxi-Drive makes a PTO pump. http://www.4wdworld.com.au/products/maxidrive/hydraulicunit.htm http://www.4wdworld.com.au/newproducts/hydraulicpto.htm Looks interesting. Something I'm going to look into in the future, anyway. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1053 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob, yes I am planning to call Bill. But it would be nice to hear about it (on a D2) from someone who did this first, because I am so easily convinced to buy things  Its a habbit of mine. Toby - thanks for the info, I emailed maxidrive about the D2. Dean | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 283 Registered: 02-2002 |
Donald, Since I have a D1, my pulley setup is different. Relief valve setting: Mine was not setup correctly. The valve was set too low and as a result the steering box was probably only getting about 400psi. To change the pressure setting, unscrew the small locking ring and then tighten the main knob to increase the pressure. Location: I setup mine so that the relief valve was sitting just above the steering box. That way you can T into both lines easily (not having to add additional length of hose.) If you have the relief valve right off the back of the control valve you'll have to run two long hoses from the winch up to the rest of the hoses. Here's a pic:  | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1061 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike - is that relief valve something that came with the winch or what? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 284 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dean, The relief valve didn't come with the winch. I bought a kit from 4x4winches.com that included a new pump, pulley and relief valve. The reason for the relief valve is that the pump is rated at 1850 psi, which is too high for the steering box. My orignal setup (Disco1) was with the standard pump and 9,000lb MM. The stock pump was not nearly enough, and I had to use a snatch block on somewhat easy pulls. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1062 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike, so is this right: the pump goes straight into the winch (which can take that pressure), then out, and on its way to the steering box it goes throught the relief valve. Some of the fluid from there goes into the steering box, and the excess goes to the reservoir tank? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 285 Registered: 02-2002 |
Correct | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1066 Registered: 02-2002 |
So the relief valve is a Y-shaped device, at least in theory, with 3 hoses? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 286 Registered: 02-2002 |
Not exactly. The high pressure line has a T fitting that goes to the relief valve, which then sends the excess to the low pressure line via another T fitting. There are only two ports on the valve. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1074 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ok got it. Thanks. How fast is it now? Fast as an electric? | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 287 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dean, It's still pretty damn slow. Even if it's 50% faster, that still doesn't mean much. If speed is the goal, the PTO pump is the way to go. |
