| Author | Message | ||
     david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 86 Registered: 12-2002 |
I know that there has been much discussion about this topic, but REPEATED searchs have not yielded the desired information. Not long ago there was thread about a company in Canada doing swaps or supplying engines for about $18K. I'm looking for the web address of that company. Can any one help out? Thanks in abvance. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) New Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 15 Registered: 08-2003 |
britrest.com There are other alternatives - depending on wether you want to keep it with original running gear - I seem to remember reading about a company that is doing adapters for the cummins and powerstroke as well as a number of japanese and european diesels | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 200 Registered: 02-2003 |
not as easy as just dropping a diesel in...you'll need a new transmission also... cheers frank | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) New Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 17 Registered: 08-2003 |
Ahhh - found it - Samuri Motor Components in the UK - they do a drop in conversion for the GM 6.2 and 6.5 diesels both turbo and non-turbo - they also sell the conversion kit for Nissan diesels - not quite a drop in - but you don't need a new transmission - you do require a special sandwich plate/adapter, mounts etc etc. Quite a mammoth undertaking - but I would think it would be well worth the effort. | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) New Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2003 |
David, The place in Canada is Britanica Restorations (http://www.britrest.com/) He is near Montreal which is about 3.5 hours north of NYC One of the fellow in my LR club had his Defender 110 converted by this guy and has been very happy. I think it was around C$12k (~US$8k) Victor | ||
| Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Senior Member Username: Jkatka Post Number: 276 Registered: 02-2002 |
check out http://www.disco-tech.ca/engines/ they have put together a kit with the IH2.8l 300tdi for a pretty reasonable price. JK | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 87 Registered: 12-2002 |
Thanks for all of the input. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 201 Registered: 02-2003 |
you really do need a new transmission...especially on a DII, I've done a LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS...David, e-mail me off-group, I can give u some lines on other options...why to many to list here... cheers Frank | ||
| Jeremy Katka (Jkatka) Senior Member Username: Jkatka Post Number: 277 Registered: 02-2002 |
Frank why do you need a new transmittion on a DII? Is it because the shifting is electronicly controlled? Just intrested in what factors and hurdles are. JK | ||
| andy coleman (Andy0826) New Member Username: Andy0826 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2003 |
I was wondering if Frank could share his info with all of us. I am very interested in this option to switch to diesel as well. In fact, I am in the process of putting a Subaru engine in my friends VW bus. I would love the benefits of a TDi but am cost consious on this one, and would also like to hear why the new trasmission. In the conversion I am doing right now, someone makes an adapter plate for the transmission. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 202 Registered: 02-2003 |
No problem Andy...The biggest thing I found was PRICE. For what it cost to put a 300TDi (that's what I was looking at, mainly becuase of fitting the motor and using as much of the orginal electronics as possible). I found a complete,low mileage 300 TDi, transmsission (i'll get to that in a second) and t-case, in England for about $5000.00. Shipping was going to about $2200.00, door to door. ECU, SLABS, BCU, wiring harness, fuel tank, fuel filler, fuel lines, raditor, and asorted other items needed for conversion about $6000.00. For a grand total of $13,200.00, all this for replacing a engine in a truck THAT'S RUNNING FINE. Then there's the install, I'm sure I'd find at leat a grand, or more of parts, pieces and other items the I would need to complete the install. There are other options, but most invovled changing the auto box from the petrol ZF to a diesel box. The issue is having enough low end torque to shift the auto box efficently. I would need to look at torque spec's on what BritRest is offering, but I think you'd suffer somewhere in the bottom end shifting. Also, you'd need a custom machined adapter plate, and that will be pricy. Motor mounts, raditor,fuel tank, fuel filler and others items mentioned above will also need to had. The other problem with using a non-LandRover motor is all the electonics in the DII. You'd lose the AC. That would need to rigged to run manually, not a big deal, but something to think about. ABS,(runs off the engine ecu) gone, just rip that out a put in a non-ABS system. If you have ACE or SLS, gone...I don't have any of that crap on my rig, just the AC and ABS, and I like the ABS when I'm not wheelin'...I'm now in the process of looking for a used diesel rig, much easier, and about, if not less than changing the DII over to a diesel...hope this helps Cheers Frank | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 174 Registered: 09-2002 |
Frank has summed up the problems with switching to diesel fairly well. I have often thought of doing it when my 3.9l dies in my DI, but I can't rationalize it while the engine still runs due to cost. In the interests in passing along info I am going to include the text of an email exchange I had with Brittanica Restorations earlier this year. One thing of note, I have a 5-speed, so for me the autobox is not an issue (I have my own issues, believe me) so that makes it a little cheaper and helps negate some of the ill effects Frank mentions about the shifting on the autobox. Here's the email: "Ray, Firstly, thank you for your interest in our work! Our diesel conversions are not cheap, but we are cheaper than anyone else in the US! If you have a 5 speed, then you are in luck! We can supply a 2.8 kit for the 5 speed which is a better conversion in my opinion for the diesel as you have more control of the engine - I am not a lover of the auto box but it seems 80% of the Discos here are that way, hence we have to cater for that need. Our 2.8 manuals come complete with all you need for the job including the option of an extra heavy duty clutch for the job - the 300 Tdi clutch is supplied as STD, but we are thinking of adding a few bucks to the kit price and including the HD clutch as STD, as the clutches are the last thing you want to replace due to slipping Everything you need is in the kit - all ancillaries, exhaust system, tank pick up units, hoses, pipes etc etc We are aiming the kits at the enthusiast to fit - instructions are included and we are always here on line or on the phone to help you - we do not sell you an engine and leave you! And we don't want the old engine back so it is yours to sell! The 2.8 is a fine engine redeveloped from the 300 Tdi - The 300 was a super engine, but Land Rover have now discontinued the Disco kits, the only kits available are for Defenders now, so that is why we have done our homework and aiming for the Disco / RR market If you need references of our service or need to email customers whom I have supplied and sometimes fitted Tdi kits, then I will only be to happy to furnish you with addresses ( subject to customers approval) If you have any more questions, don't hesitate to ask Yours Mike Wesson" Overall they were very helpful and seem enthusiast/customer oriented. Since I've got an early DI (1994) with a 5-speed, if/when my engine dies and I decide to strip her down to start from square one I may consider this as an option. Its important to note that in making that choice I will bascially be spending the money to make the truck new-again as far as moving parts are concerned. For me it may be a good option if I get HD axles, lockers, make the interior the way I want it, replace the transmission, etc, all before the motor dies. At that point, assuming no rust problems, it would probably be fun and worthwhile (who wants a new truck anyway!) at present, I don't have the money to dump into it. If I get transfered to the UK for some reason, all bets are off! Hope this adds a little to the general fund of knowledge. Ray For everyone's info | ||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 1078 Registered: 08-2002 |
For what it's worth, with the new 2.8, the petrol ZF is fine since that engine develops enough low end torque. However, because of the electronics involved, no kits are currently offerred for the DII's. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 206 Registered: 02-2003 |
I thought so Greg, but I wasn't 100 percent sure. Like u said, it's all the other electronic crap that's really the issue. I would think finding a series or a D90 or 110 and dropping a new motro in would be a lot easier... cheers Frank |
