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     Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 426 Registered: 05-2003 |
I just thought this was way too funny when I went out to my truck for another day of trail riding with Bill. Drivers side front tire was flat and my truck looked too funny!! Stood there with my dogs just laughing like a total idiot for several minutes. Timing was absolutely perfect since Bill was on his way to my hotel. He did not believe me when I told him AAA was on it's way (I had trouble saying that and also keeping a straight face - I blew it when I started laughing again). Was grateful to get the experience and learn the skills needed to use bottle jack to remove tire, air it up to determine why it went flat, break it down using high lift jack, clean out all the dirt, refill it, and get it back on and ready to hit the trail again. Hopefully, I will be able to repeat this "hotel parking lot lesson" when necessary on the trail??     | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 444 Registered: 11-2002 |
jamie, you can just drive across the tire and not the rim to pop the bead if you have a second vehichle. much easier/faster then the high-lift...but the big jack is a good option if you are alone. I think these rover rims get contaminated pretty easy,every time I run mine down to like 12 psi I end up with sand in the bead and a leaker  Thom | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 429 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thom, That's really good to know. Would driving over the tire pop the rim all the way out? (we did not pop mine all the way out - just enough to access apprx 10" of sand and dirt at the 1200 position and another 3-4" inches at the 0600 position) Any ballpark "guesstimate" on how full tire should be running over it to pop the rim? I sure agree with you about airing down to low numbers. I had mine aired down to 18. After my flat, I ran at 28 psi for the rest of the week without any problems. I feel fortunate that I did not have trouble on the trail. When coming out of the forest the night before tire was totally flat, I stopped to air back up and that tire was way lower than the others. In my tiredness, I just thought - isn't that strange? and continued to air up the rest of my tires. Now I know to pay attention and investigate the source if that happens again. I continue to find offroading a humbling experience - the more I learn, the more I find that I have yet to learn. Thanks again, Jamie | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) New Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jamie, Consider yourself very fortunate. When I got my first flat I was on my way home from work, wearing a suit, without a winter coat, in a 60kph wind coming directly off lake Ontario in late January. Wind chill was somewhere around -20C. Prior to this I had thought that the AAA was for those less mechanically inclined. Now I realise that it is for people that like to avoid getting hypothermia. Not to mention, the 200km free towing has gotten a few of my friends back home from the trail head after a variety of minor and major disasters. Victor | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 447 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jamie you would want to pull the center stem on the tire first to allow all the air out,plus it will let more volume in all at once when it comes time to push the bead back on with air presure. some times you need to wrap a rope around the circumfrence of the tire tie a knot then stick a big screw driver under the rope and twist it to pull the rope tight. this will contract the tread and push the beads out against the rim and safty bead, making a good seal. This way a small compresor can reseat the bead. once the bead takes hold start untwisting the screw driver as the tire airs up. Thom | ||
| Christian Kiely (Redrover47) New Member Username: Redrover47 Post Number: 25 Registered: 09-2003 |
This probably sounds like a stupid question, but I am clueless. Does dirt and water enter the tire every time you get a flat, or is this only when the tire is so flat that it can get in around the bead. Certaintly it wouldn't be able to fit in a small puncture, or would it? If so, if Jamie had a slow leak that caused the tire to go completely flat only while it was sitting in a parking lot, then how did all of that sand get in there? Again, this is probably a dumb question but I am new to all of this. Chris Kiely 2001 D2 | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 431 Registered: 05-2003 |
Christian, There was no puncture. Tires were aired down while going through muddy trails. From my limited understanding, when tires are aired down they are more susceptable to movement on the rim when going over trees and stuff - maybe like creating little open gaps now and then which allow dirt and sand in - then as it accumulates where the rim and tire meet, there is no tight seal which in turn allows air to slowly leave tire. I'm sure someone else with more experience will have a better explanation than I am giving. I don't think your question is dumb, I didn't even know that this could happen until it did  Jamie | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 182 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, A similar thing happened to me, but I caught it before it went flat. I was aired down on a trail and someone told me that my tire was hissing after I made it through this obstacle. I was told to bump the back wheel over something to pop the bead back properly. So I threw it in reverse and bumped it over a rock and all went back to normal. This has been happening a lot to a friend of mine with RR classic 3 spoke wheels which are usually supposed to have a great bead lock. Last time we went wheeling he didn't air down since the previous 2 times he blew a bead and the tire went flat. No punctures both times. That is why you see those crazy modified trucks with the bead lock thingy...looks like bolts around the edge of the tire. Only problem there is they are not street legal. I guess this is a common thing to happen. Jamil | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 206 Registered: 06-2003 |
There are street legal beadlocks out there somewhere. They are about $500 a wheel though. http://www.offroadonly.com/products/new/rocklox/ | ||
| Clif Ashley (Cta586) Senior Member Username: Cta586 Post Number: 405 Registered: 04-2002 |
Wow, those are sweet. I was really surprised to see that LR was going to be one of their intial bolt patterns. I dont care how hard you try though, $2000 in wheels is real real hard to justify. | ||
| Christian Kiely (Redrover47) New Member Username: Redrover47 Post Number: 26 Registered: 09-2003 |
Why are most beadlocks non-street legal? Is it a safety issue in case of a crash? | ||
| Clif Ashley (Cta586) Senior Member Username: Cta586 Post Number: 411 Registered: 04-2002 |
If you dont keep an eye, or wrench, on those bolts, you can easily loose a tire. They are also very hard to balance. As I write that, the same is true for lugnuts, and the balance does not affect the safety of the vehicle. So I digress. |
