| Author | Message | ||
     Daniel Patterson (Mygoatboy) New Member Username: Mygoatboy Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2003 |
Hello, I was wondering what the stock fording depth of a Disco II is? Also how much can that be increased by changing things out? Thank You, Daniel | ||
| ozwapet (Ozwapet) New Member Username: Ozwapet Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2003 |
Rated fording depth according to the owners handbook for my Disco 1 is 500mm ( about 20 inches ). I would be surprised if it is not mentioned somewhere in the Disco II handbook too. I go deeper ( sometimes over 1 metre for short spells ) but have extended breathers on diffs and bell housing, some extra sealing on the door seals, snorkel, diesel engine, 2" lift and bigger tyres. This all helps avoid getting stranded mid stream !! Also after doing any deep wading it pays to check the diff oils for "milkiness" that indicates water has got in there. | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Senior Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 333 Registered: 01-2003 |
A good general rule is to the top of the wheel rim. | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 212 Registered: 05-2003 |
If you put a tarp over the front of the car they'll go much deeper,just get a bow wave happening and dont stop. | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Senior Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 296 Registered: 10-2002 |
Dean? Any D2 or D1 pics for examples? | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 795 Registered: 03-2002 |
D2 in Deep | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1056 Registered: 02-2002 |
Nope - I think Michael has a suitable pic there! Is that one still moving? | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 796 Registered: 03-2002 |
Barely. It was deeper than I thought and the truck started floating a bit, thankfully the current was slow, but I still had traction and was able to inch out. It was a short run and I only took water inside the truck and in the rear diff. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1059 Registered: 02-2002 |
What was on the bottom of that water? It cant be mud can it? The buoyancy would stop you dead at that depth if its at all slippery! | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 797 Registered: 03-2002 |
Mostly rocks, large enough to require two hands to carry, it was a little slick. Thinking back on it, I remember looking out the window and getting worried, not just from the rising water level, but also by the somewhat distressed looks from the "crowd". | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2002 |
That was actually the shallow part. He had just made it through the deeper area. Lucky SOB  | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 613 Registered: 03-2002 |
you might notice daniel, that michael is sporting a snorkle on his truck...since you were asking about stock fording depth, you should keep that in mind before you drive up to the high dive... mike | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 171 Registered: 05-2003 |
Click on Dean's name for a nice pic of a successful crossing on a snorkelized disco, click on mine for a pic of a "I made it out but then stalled for an hour" crossing by a stock disco. | ||
| David Seger (Croakus) Member Username: Croakus Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2003 |
I think my manual said 20 inches but I've had it up to the door handles. The biggest problem is that stupid little breather tube on the rear diff. You need to get some tubing and silicone at Home Depot to extend that up into the engine compartment. It takes ten minutes and will be one of the best improvements you ever make. I did this after getting water in the rear diff twice. I suggest you do it right now. | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 214 Registered: 06-2003 |
The bigger problem is the air filter and MAF sensor. You can always change the rear diff oil when you get home but getting the maf wet will stall you out. Soaking the filter will aloso cut off air flow to the engine. Also if your extending the breather, why not take it up the a-pillar to the roof? | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) New Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2003 |
David, That looks similar to what I did on my driver's side (http://www.landroveradventure.com/mod.php?mod=gallery&op=media&media_id=915 The guy is standing on the really shallow side. Someone with a set of hip waders came and saw me on the driver's side), where the air filter box is, which leads me to Rick's comment. I credit the MAF with saving my but big time in the above dip. Stalling the engine prevented too much water from getting into the engine. As someone pointed out in another similar thread, a running gasoline engine is like a vacume cleaner, sucking water like crazy. Victor | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 459 Registered: 05-2003 |
I worry more about what I can or can't do instead of what my truck can or can't do - no matter how much I change it to make it more capable. My rule of thumb is: As deep as I can go without harming myself or anyone else, my truck, their trucks, or the terrain. For me, is always contigent upon my skill level. In my opinion, that is a "catch 22" situation - because I know you've pretty much got to get it in a bit over your head in order to learn and increase your skills (no pun intended). I've got a snorkel, but that doesn't mean a blasted thing to me if I go in deep water and get stuck (snorkel just gives my engine a cleaner air supply). I hate that sinking feeling I get in the pit of my stomach after I get stuck that goes along with my thoughts of "I knew better to try and go thru this". That being said, I am learning to say "no, I'm not going in there" no matter who tells me it will be fine. I always keep in mind that if I do damage the person who told me to go in is not going to be responsible for fixing my truck or footing the repair bills. Before entering, I sit on the bank and think the water crossing thru. I try not to be the first one into the water - which has not been a problem b/c I'm still the "new kid on the block". I make sure I get a good vantage point and focus on watching the rover that crosses before me. If I am lucky enough to have 2 crossings ahead of me, I watch one from my drivers seat and the next from the top of my rear ladder. Doing this, I get a better view of the track thru the water and how far down each of the wheels have dropped and/or risen as those ahead of me have crossed. I've reached the point that as long as I've got traction and am moving forward, I'm pretty comfortable. I did not get to this point until I began to slow down and keep the engine right around 1200 when rover starts struggling - my mantra has become "give it time" (I always hear the voice of Bill Burke). I still fight my reaction of wanting to "gun it" when I feel my truck losing traction. I found out the hard way that was the thing NOT to do. Keeping the rpms around 1200 has become very fun for me, because I can then feel the TRUE power my truck has as it literally shakes and throws encumbrances behind. I am continually amazed and increasingly impressed with my rover at what it can do AS LONG AS I keep myself in check. As an example, here is pic of my latest SUCCESSFUL (finally!!) water crossing. This was actually taken as I was climbing out of the deeper water. When I went down and into it, I did get stuck, the panic started, I got control of myself, put it in reverse, allowed it to rumble and shake back a few inches to gain just a tiny bit of traction, put it in forward again, let it rumble a bit more, get a tad of traction, and only assist my truck in fighting it out. I was so happy to have gotten thru and to have gained the experience of "the feel" of my truck while it was struggling. The feeling of dry ground on the other side was a welcome relief to the fear I felt when I heading into the deeper water. I have found that I have more confidence in these types of situations if I discuss "how we're going to get me out" if I can't make it through. Now that I am getting some practice using my winch, I always keep self recovery in mind - as in thinking thru - what if I had no choice but to go thru this by myself or got stuck with no one around? Someone will probably have a cow about this - but, I have a quick disconnect on my 4' CB antenna and I take it off, turn it upside down and use it to test depth of the water and the bottom (there are many types of mud here) before I cross it. I like to go with "better safe than sorry". Also, in my opinion Ego + Vanity + Off Roading do not mix, so best to get used to looking ridiculous. Can you tell by my orange wool knit hat that it is hunting season? Go ahead and laugh -- a merry heart does do good like medicine   | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 460 Registered: 05-2003 |
Oh yea, even when you test the bottom before going into "shallow" water, expect the worst.   | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1087 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jamie, If you have a recovery group standing by ready to literally RUN to your vehicle, connect up with fast spring-clamp hooks, and pull you out again, then you can basically attempt just about anything, especially if you walk the unknowns first. There have been occasions when our group KNOWS they are about to get stuck, but its on the trail-way and there's no go-around, so (with the first vehicle) you just pre-unwind a winch line, and someone in front of you runs pulling it out of the way while you get as far as you can. And since the deepest part is usually the most difficult you just have to winch through a little way to get past the flood level. A lot of practise is useul here lol! | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 174 Registered: 05-2003 |
A pair of chest waders has come in handy to walk unknown water crossings in order to determine the best path, and bottom surface. Jamie, Nice pics, I like the one with the trees surrounded by water. I'd love to wheel through that area. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 461 Registered: 05-2003 |
Well then, get down here!! I know I can round up Mike Bauer up, and we'll all go trail riding! This area is only about an hour north of Tampa - so not too far away. It WAS breath-takingly beautiful traveling thru those areas, it was not in and out wading from bank to bank. It was also lots of fun because we had to maneuver tightly thru the trees like an obstacle course. Mike and I were trail riding that day and came upon 2 teenagers that were just a riot!! They got themselves good and stuck. We recovered them and then I guess they tried to follow us out of the forest. They stopped after we were clear of the water. Then, (I don't know what they were thinkng) - in they went! Mike and I spent about 2 hours getting them out of that mess. All in all, it was a good day - we got some good recovery practice. This is where we recovered the boys the first time. See that patch of light blue smack dab in the center of pic?? That's them.  This is the second place we recovered the boys  Come to think of it, we must have pulled them out 3 times, getting them out here was a bit tricky  Mike and I having great fun playing resue rovers and another pick to show you how pretty it is manuevering through the trees   | ||
| Davis Reed (Davis_reed) New Member Username: Davis_reed Post Number: 27 Registered: 04-2003 |
Now say that you get water into your air intake and the MAF causes your engine to stall, but you get some water into the throttle body. What is the next potential damage that is caused to the engine, besides a "milky" coloration of the oil? |
