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     R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 687 Registered: 07-2002 |
Good info, good pictures: http://www.tawayama.com/gear/defenderckd.html | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1592 Registered: 04-2002 |
That's really cool and that would be the ultimate Christmas toy to find under the tree but I doubt it will be available in the US. At least not as a street legal kit. | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 542 Registered: 02-2003 |
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| Martin Tuip (Ajax) New Member Username: Ajax Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2003 |
Wonder also what the price range would be. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) New Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 32 Registered: 08-2003 |
Ahhh so that's what the CKD is - yep it may be coming to the US in 2004/5 http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_431.htm | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1594 Registered: 04-2002 |
I still don't see where they say they'll bring it to the NA/US market. It was at SEMA and LRNA spoke about it but Ford has lots of Defenders in the US for "events." And even if they do how will it be street legal? | ||
| BVO (Hippolvr) New Member Username: Hippolvr Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2003 |
From http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_431.htm "Land Rover is hoping to bring CKD Defender to North America sometime in 2004 or 2005. I would say there is a very good chance it will return, so far everything is looking good. They still have a few issues to work out, it would be registered as a kit car but dealt with on the state level and there are different rules for each." | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1595 Registered: 04-2002 |
Okay, Maybe I'm blind because I still don't see that text anywhere. Regardless, so I can't bring in a Defender broken down into pieces and build it in the US piece by piece but Land Rover can? What am I missing? Will this thing have air bags? Even if the states have different rules the Federal rules come first. No? If this is for real where do I go to place a (escrow) deposit?  | ||
| BVO (Hippolvr) New Member Username: Hippolvr Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2003 |
Just FYI, click on the link above. The main article is the one on future models. Click on the FULL STORY link, scroll down. Can't miss it. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1597 Registered: 04-2002 |
Doh! Silly me, I was looking at the SEMA 2003 CDK link. Thanks BVO. | ||
| Thomas Dahbura (U352) Member Username: U352 Post Number: 208 Registered: 10-2002 |
Stupid question but what makes a jeep road worthy or road safe in the US and a defender not. I have looked at the doors and they don't seem to be reinforced and the air bag is easy. What am I missing. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) New Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 33 Registered: 08-2003 |
Thomas - as usual its politics. There really isn't any difference - just as there was no difference between the Merkur Xr4ti being "allowed" in the US and the Cosworth Sierra being persona non gratis - or for the Subaru folks the original WRX. Unfortunately the Fedral regs are wielded as yet another tool to protect the US auto industry. LR have missed the point for years - they should never of dropped the Defender for the US market. Just as they should of never dropped the llama project (successor to the 101 FC). JMHO Jeff | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1599 Registered: 04-2002 |
So now that Land Rover IS part of the US Auto Industry we should see a Defender in the showrooms? From my understanding the CKD Defenders are built in factories (not in someone's home). Look at Brasil as an example. They've had them there for a while now but I'm not aware of a single one sold to an individual for assembly. I would think Land Rover (and Land Rover Legal) might have issues with the lack of Quality control of Joe Sixpack building a D110 CKD and slapping the muddy oval on the hood. So if it's true that they will import it into the NA market it would seem that it would be built at a Ford Factory. That's a big IF since there would still be that issue(s) of NHTSA/DOT/EPA giving it the rubber stamp of aproval. I would REALLY want a D90 or even a D110 but I've almost given up hope of getting a new one in it's current form. | ||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Senior Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 342 Registered: 08-2002 |
Damn that Rig is sweet. Please Ford...make it happen. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 690 Registered: 07-2002 |
The main reason is that they don't want to make their diesels comply with DEQ, and they don't want to fill up the classic dash with stupid air bags. But, airbag technology is such that they could do it, they just have not. I would love to see them come to the U.S. - not that I could afford a new one - but it would drive down the prices of the older ones. I think they need to if they are going to survive in a market where every car company is now making good SUV's of all different sizes and price ranges. A company like LR can't survive with only 3 models, no matter how good they are, someone will always catch up - Seriously, it took the other companies 15-20 years to catch up with the Range Rover. Now that type of car is cheap in comparison. The Defender would set LR apart again in the US - It would only have the H1 and Jeep Rubicon to contend with in that market. (The G-500 possibly, and the new 4-door Jeep, and the new FJ-Crusier, but only if they actually build them.) | ||
| Rich Greening (Phriston) New Member Username: Phriston Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2003 |
Isn't there a company in SoCA that imports 110's and 130's which are street legal?!?! Has anyone heard of this or know the outfit?? Urban legend?! | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 17 Registered: 12-2003 |
My final $.02 If you call Rover Accessories, they'll give you the straight line. They (LRNA) plan on bringing in the 110 in CKD form sometime in the next year or so. You go to a dealer's parts dept and order the kit. No LRNA dealer will be able to assemble it, nor will FORD (If they made it it wouldn't be a "Completely Knocked Down" kit, but a FORD, in the eyes of the gov't, and hence wouldn't be roadworthy). Price estimate 27-35k for the kit, approx 7k if you pay someone to build it. Next, say like here in Chicago, you apply for a kit car VIN and Title. After approval for the Kit Car, you must pass a state inspection and then you can register it. Sounds like it won't affect current D-90 prices at all. Banks don't process auto loans without a title, and to educate them what you're doing would be a real pain. So unless you have the money and skills, I can't see to many of the CKDs on the road as quickly as one would think. Buy, build, and title sounds like it is going to be time consuming. And Insurance would be expensive, (I work for an underwriter), because a kit car if built by the policyholder would be extremely risky. Add a kit car title to the mix... When you factor all of the options facing Ford, LRNA, it just doesn't seem to be viable venture. The profit margin generated would be way too small. FWIW. Still a pipedream, IMHO. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 695 Registered: 07-2002 |
I still think there is no profit margin to overome - that's the point of the CKD, they have all these parts etc. all ready warehoused all over Europe - you order it they will send it. I could be wrong, but I am going on what I know about what the U.S. and England did with the old Jeeps after WWII and Korea and Vietnam. It is still possible to buy a brand-new Jeep still in the box, MIL spec and all, because they simply never used them - never even opened the box they were shipped in. The Defenders have been punched out of the factory in the CKD kit for some time - it's how they provide parts to the 100's of country's that use them for police and military forces. Also, when I said it would push down the prices of the D-90's or current D-110's, I am talking about pure numbers in the market, the more there are to meet the demand, the lower the price will be. I was not refering to any possible price or any possible way people might end up paying for them... ...But... Still a pipedream, yes, still a dream... | ||
| eric w siepmann (Cdn001) New Member Username: Cdn001 Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2003 |
The Jeep in Box? That urban legend still around? Actually CKDs have been around since 62 and earlier. LRO magazine estimated 204,400 CKD vehicles exported until the end of 1979 Land Rover changed chassis numbering system from a prefix of 3 numbers and a 5 digit sequence number to the worldwide VIN system, so tallyes by model type are no longer possible. http://www.lrfaq.org/FAQ.3.LR_production.html |
