| Author | Message | ||
     CJ SZPILA (Crash05) Senior Member Username: Crash05 Post Number: 256 Registered: 11-2002 |
I just started to think about getting a roof rack for my 98 D1, who makes the best rack, all things considered. And by all things I mean price, quality, availablity. Thanks for the help. | ||
| David Zymowski (Davidz) Member Username: Davidz Post Number: 54 Registered: 04-2003 |
the adventure style racks look the best IMHO. safety devices mfgs them Thatched roof sells them. but pricy,1200 or so. They can be tough to get a deal on . but since your just thinking about it time is on your side. look for a used one. North West parts has a nice knockoff for half the price of a new Safety devices. but you can find a used Original for the price of a new knockoff if your patient enough. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 179 Registered: 05-2003 |
CJ only downfall of the LR adventure is no floor but that can be easily fixed ,, other than that it is the best choice by far!!! -Jim | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 104 Registered: 07-2002 |
Although the knockoff SD rack does look alright from a distance, the welding on it sucks... and that's being generous. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Jess Brandt (Disco285) Member Username: Disco285 Post Number: 165 Registered: 09-2002 |
here is something interesting... while searching for my roof rack... the 1995 safety devices built camel trophy rack... that requires roof rail removal... i found that although Land Rover advertised both this one and the following rack as expedition racks... they are two different racks... so when you say LR expedition rack you need to see a picture... The LR adventure roof racks are nice but everyone copies that one... from some higher mounted ones to some cheap copy cats... the best way to do it is to talk to someone who owns the one that you are thinking about purchasing... | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 820 Registered: 10-2002 |
I really like the looks of the SD rack too and would love to have one, but truthfully, I've been pretty happy with my Yakima Mega Warrior. It's big enough for long weekends of camping and I can also use my Yakima and Thule assessories with it. It comes off very easily if I need to get the truck into the garage. You can buy a 18" extension if you need bigger. It's been awhile since I bought it but I would imagine, it's about 1/2 the cost of the adventure rack. If you do go with that option, I would suggest using the Thule towers and cross bars becuase the Yakima ones just do not work despite what thier website claims. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 423 Registered: 04-2003 |
Build one. Advantages: (1) Cost (2) You get to build something (3) Can be made to your specs Disadvantages: (1) Need equipment or access to someone with it (2) Time consuming? Mine is a 1/3 roof rack, and is perfect for my uses, and cost me $15 and a couple phone calls. Andy | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 704 Registered: 02-2002 |
Safety Devices + flooring + Tent Cot = awesome camping experience http://www.expeditionexchange.com/tentcot/PB280187.jpg | ||
| Jess Brandt (Disco285) Member Username: Disco285 Post Number: 166 Registered: 09-2002 |
i wasn't able to get the picture with my post... so here it is...  no flooring yet... but the two pieces of tread plate have been ordered from my local sheet metal company and the measurements for the two pieces are 22x48 in. (front lil' lower piece) and 55x48 in. (rear) just to give you an idea of how much space is up there... this roof rack comes all in one piece, its hardcore... the only problem is it comes in the biggest box... the mounts are exceptional with a hex bolt pulling the rack down, it screws in straight up on the mount, and then each of the five mounts, on each side have 2 bolts.... that comes out to 20 bolts and ten hex bolts... its not going anywhere... CHEEERS! | ||
| p (Pfb) Member Username: Pfb Post Number: 79 Registered: 08-2003 |
<Although the knockoff SD rack does look alright from a distance, the welding on it sucks... and that's being generous. > Really? I've considered one of the $500 adventure racks, though I can't remember who was selling them and I couldn't find it with a search. | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 91 Registered: 09-2003 |
Pfb, www.northwestparts.com It looks nice. | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 326 Registered: 08-2002 |
Craig's equation is a good one, however ARB+tentcot+tentbed=the ultimate family outing. Charles | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 705 Registered: 02-2002 |
Pfb: As Marvin Gaye once sang: "Ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby..." | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1306 Registered: 02-2003 |
look for a used adventure rack. if you make it your mission in life they do show up. goto local used car dealers looking all over for the rack. if you find one offer $500 or whatever. hownd people and bbs want ad's letting the world know you want this rack. you should be able to get one used for $500 range and they are built so well they are usually in good shape or in need of a little paint. -because indeed there is not anything like the real thing, baby. rd | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) New Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2003 |
what do people think of the hannibal racks? How do they compare in terms of weight, rigidity of mount, stress of mount upon gutter, other features, etc. | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 106 Registered: 07-2002 |
Donald, The main advantages of the Hannibal rack are two fold: 1. Made of aluminum, so lighter and more corrosion resistant than a steel rack 2. The mounting system does a really good job of spreading the weight of the rack along the rain gutters. The disadvantage however, is that some feel that they have questionable aesthetic value (read: ugly) Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 709 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 227 Registered: 06-2003 |
Is that an oversized wood pallat? | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 84 Registered: 11-2002 |
Cheap, emergency firewood, and doubles as a sand ladder! | ||
| Clif Ashley (Cta586) Senior Member Username: Cta586 Post Number: 431 Registered: 04-2002 |
Looks photochopped | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 712 Registered: 02-2002 |
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| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 230 Registered: 06-2003 |
Doh, i didnt even notice that right away. Good photoshop job. | ||
| Clif Ashley (Cta586) Senior Member Username: Cta586 Post Number: 435 Registered: 04-2002 |
It was a high quality job on the chop there Craig. Sorry to ruin the fun. Steve's truck just the luck of the draw? | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 716 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hehehe, actually, I wanted to do Steve's truck because he's got that really nice Brownchurch rack on there. I guess I wanted to illustrate what a big difference having a nice rack on there does for the look of the truck. | ||
| Matthew (Lzxray3) New Member Username: Lzxray3 Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2003 |
I have a wilderness rack and have been very happy with it. I have slept on it numerous occasions in a bivouac shelter. http://www.garvin-industries.com/ | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 178 Registered: 08-2003 |
The adventure style racks that form with the rig look the best in my opinion. I think the low profile one on my XD looks best. Oh yah, that's if you feel like removing the stock roof bars. Some other guys probably will have an idea where you can get one. I say save up your money and get the rack that YOU want. A rack is a big part of your truck. You should get one that fits your needs and style, even if that meens saving your cash for a while if that's the case. Good luck, Matt | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 592 Registered: 09-2002 |
"..actually, I wanted to do Steve's truck.." Nothing beats an out-of-context quote  except for this one: "Is that an oversized wood pallat?" Kobysan, you chop well, but until you can snatch the pebble from my hand you must return to your mother's basement take yourself in hand. Now, can somebody help me get this over-sized pallet off my damn rack SC | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 717 Registered: 02-2002 |
Your wish is my command. http://www.expeditionexchange.com/stevecooper/DSC04598.jpg | ||
| carl seashore (Drcarl) Member Username: Drcarl Post Number: 62 Registered: 07-2003 |
CJ-I recently put an SD expedition rack on and am very impressed with the construction and design. Similar to Jess' above.  So far I have found it great for carrying huge amounts of snow around.  This is the "CT spec" rack-the difference from the CT rack is that it mounts to the gutters; the CT rack mounts to a roll cage ($$$). It has higher sidewalls than the Adventure rack, and a solid floor. cheers, carl | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 182 Registered: 08-2003 |
That's the one thing I hated about my rack last year. When my car got warm the snow would melt a little during the day, and the next morning I would have ice frozen all around the heavy duty steel mesh I put on the roof! I spent many times before school sweeping the snow off because i didn't want it to freeze to my rack. | ||
| carl seashore (Drcarl) Member Username: Drcarl Post Number: 63 Registered: 07-2003 |
I actually drove over to my local mega mall parking lot to clear my roof-otherwise i would have had to shovel all over again! | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 514 Registered: 02-2002 |
Koby, How wide is the TentCot? I never want to sleep so close to Gerry again as I did on our last adventure. I also endorse the build-your-own rack solution. You're bound to do work on many of them anyway to install expanded, plywood or other flooring. My set-up takes up the whole roof rack - 4'-0" x 7'-6" deployed. Other things I don't like - 7'-4" unladen clear height sucks for parking at the mall when I go for my cappuccino. ;) An old link here, click the banner at top to get to our new pages: http://expeditionfilmpartners.com/adventures/expamericas/mexcan/disco1.html Cheers, e | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 719 Registered: 02-2002 |
Tentcot is about as wide as the front section of the Safety Devices roof rack. Nothing better than dusting yourself off before going to bed and keeping the dirt and dust out of the tent and sleeping bag. That tent cot has revolutionized the way I camp. | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 328 Registered: 08-2002 |
Eric I have both Tentcot and tentbed. The tent cot is great when I go camping solo. The tent bed is great for the family. Saved me from buying the rooftop jobs. Thanks to EE the tent cot has definitely revolutionized the way I camp. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 905 Registered: 04-2003 |
go with LR adventure rack, but the stock floor is pretty much useless. Just slap your own floor in there.  | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 723 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blue- Have you always had that flooring? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 906 Registered: 04-2003 |
Had only the upper martini deck at TH. Made the lower deck and drilled all 4" holes after TH. You can't really see flooring from the ground - bottom & sides are painted black. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 182 Registered: 05-2003 |
Blue what material is that?? Hard to tell in the picture. I'm still wrestling with my flooring issue !! Thanks -Jim | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 909 Registered: 04-2003 |
it's a very complex, advanced, carbon-based, space-age polymer, commonly referred to as 1/2" plywood Used a good outdoor sealant paint (white) followed by good outdoor weather-resistant semi-gloss (black). Still have to slap a coat of semi-gloss white on the top. The flat sealant-paint surface doesn't wipe clean. Not too worried about excess moisture out here in AZ, and the water beads up nicely at the car wash. Still, if I had it to do again, I'd go with a real light, durable plastic material that's workable like wood. I think the summer sun may kill the wood decks - we'll see in a few months... | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 185 Registered: 05-2003 |
Wow nice job! I had a feeling that might be wood but it looked way too good! I used plywood covered with black indoor/outdoor carpet. NOt a great idea in hindsight. But heavy duty plastic might be the ticket! thanks Jim | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 95 Registered: 05-2003 |
I saw a link from one of the members in the Southern California Land Rover club www.sclr.org that started manufacturing this roof rack flooring using a grey plastic molded to follow the contours of the adventure rack. They just put the pictues on their website and now I can't seem to find the link anymore. It looked pretty good from the pictures abet a little expensive. I want to say that it says RHINO (not the same company as rhino-lining) across the area that dips from the upper rear flat area to the lower front area on the rack but don't quote me on it. | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 92 Registered: 09-2003 |
A budy of mine had this to say about the NWP racks. -"NWP's racks are nicer than the 'original' racks, by far. They're stronger, better finish, won't scratch your gutters, customizable, upgradeable (hi-lift, flooring, light tabs, custom colors, etc). The welds are much nicer then previous versions, as are the laser cut and stamped gutter clamps."  | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1323 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think your friend might be fooling himself. CLOSE UP pictures will tell a lot more. So far the close ones I've seen were pathetic. feel free to prove me wrong. -Rob | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 671 Registered: 03-2003 |
"NWP's racks are nicer than the 'original' racks, by far. They're stronger, better finish, won't scratch your gutters, customizable, upgradeable (hi-lift, flooring, light tabs, custom colors, etc). The welds are much nicer then previous versions, as are the laser cut and stamped gutter clamps." Does he also own a Lexus and go on and on how it's so much nicer than a Mercedes and how he wouldn't trade his Lexus for the World? | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 110 Registered: 07-2002 |
Lets solve this NWP vs Safety Devices problem once and for all. Can someone out there post a pic of the welds and the mounting brackets on an Adventure rack. I'll go get some pics of my friends NWP rack tonight and we'll compare... Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Dale Farr (Farrdg) New Member Username: Farrdg Post Number: 3 Registered: 12-2003 |
Well here is some more fuel for the fire. I have been talking with the local L/R parts manager trying to get an Adventure Rack. 32 of these are currently on back order by L/R North America with no estimated availability date. The vender who manufactures them has re-tooled for the D2 racks and it is not known when they will be available again. The vendor may be waiting for a large order to justify bringing out the d1 jigs? These racks and all of L/R's parts now come through and are managed by Catapiller, since Ford owns L/R and so on and so on. So to make a long thread short. I need a rack new or used. Can anyone tell me if the Northwest Parts rack (quality, weight, load bearing and construction) is the way to go vs. the L/R rack. Is it better to wait for a new or used L/R Adventure rack? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2713 Registered: 02-2002 |
Dale, http://www.thatchedroofgarage.com/safety_devices_products.htm Call David, and talk to him. (Oh, number is on the front page, http://www.thatchedroofgarage.com/Front.htm ) -L | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 910 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks for the compliment Jim. The only down-side is that the exposed 1/2" edge that rests up on top of the rack's tubing looks like...well...plywood painted black. Has a cheap feel to it, at least that's my opinion. I also just used standard hardware store electrical conduit clamps as fasteners. Another el cheapo move. A nicer solid wood (e.g. teak) would provide a better finish, albeit at the expense of weight and cost. That's why I'd recommend some sort of durable (UV resistant) plastic that's easy to work with standard tools and a more creative fastening system. | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 94 Registered: 09-2003 |
I didn't have any other pics so NWP sent me these.      | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 737 Registered: 02-2002 |
Still no good pics of them welds, and those clamps are JV compared to the Safety Devices clamps. This rack is clearly the Hyundai Elantra of the racks available to Disco owners. | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 331 Registered: 08-2002 |
I would at least give them the Sonata. | ||
| Chris Dillard IM lvmyrvr (Cdillard) New Member Username: Cdillard Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2002 |
Look Folks, The NWP rack is an economical ALTERNATIVE to an SD rack not an SD rack. And............ since SD (D1) racks are currently not readily available it could be the "best" alternative out there (as far as looking like the OEM rack, etc). The horse has now been killed (twice)! :-) Cheers, CD | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2720 Registered: 02-2002 |
since SD (D1) racks are currently not readily available Chris, did you call TRG? -L | ||
| John Gadd (Roverdude) New Member Username: Roverdude Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2003 |
KOBY: how is that tentcot secured to the roof rack? | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 739 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ratchet straps | ||
| Greg Oberst (Oberstg) New Member Username: Oberstg Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2003 |
I would like to throw in my comments regarding quality roof racks. I owned a Safety Devices Landrover gutter mount roof rack and was not comfortable with the hundred and fifty pound load rating. The roof racks used in Camel Trophy look similar but mount directly through the roof to the roll cage. I now use a Hannibal roof rack because it is strong enough to support my roof top tent, fuel cans, water cans, axe, shovel, highlift jack, and there is still room for additional gear. My wife, two kids and myself are all able to sleep on top of the rack in the tent because the rack is made for this and spreads the weight load along the full length of both gutter rails. These racks can accept two tents and have been used extensively on expeditions all over the world. I know I have a great product and do not have to worry about anything breaking. The rack sitting on the ground can support the weight of a Landrover Discovery. I hope this is helpful information for your decision making. | ||
| Phil deGuzman (Powerslide) New Member Username: Powerslide Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2003 |
I wish I had a roof rack on my D2 last night when we took the beast of a tree home (8 ft. noble fir). I am in the market for a rack but still undecided which one to get and where, etc. I'd like to fabricate one but need time and space. I guess just keep looking or check the classified. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2739 Registered: 02-2002 |
Greg, However, the rain gutters on your Land Rover can't support the weight of a Discovery.  The SD rack rating isn't there because of the rack itself, but because of being cautious with the weight up on top being balanced, the gutters, etc. The SD rack is more than strong enough for what you "should" be putting up there... -L | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 188 Registered: 05-2003 |
Phil the rack is great for hauling the Tree ... but getting it off there was quite entertaing !! -Jim | ||
| Chris Dillard IM lvmyrvr (Cdillard) New Member Username: Cdillard Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2002 |
Leslie, No, No, No I wasn't really looking for a rack for myself (I have one already) just commenting on the NWP rack relative to the SD (D1) rack, etc. It was my understanding that the D1 SD racks were not currently being produced (info from local Land Rover Dealer). This info could be wrong. Oh well, just my $.02 worth really on the thread. Cheers, Chris | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2741 Registered: 02-2002 |
D1 racks aren't going to be (easily) available from dealerships anymore, is my understanding. There are other ways..... -L | ||
| Ron Darwish (Ronaldd) New Member Username: Ronaldd Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2003 |
Porter Wrote...I saw a link from one of the members in the Southern California Land Rover club www.sclr.org that started manufacturing this roof rack flooring using a grey plastic molded to follow the contours of the adventure rack. They just put the pictues on their website and now I can't seem to find the link anymore. It looked pretty good from the pictures abet a little expensive. I want to say that it says RHINO (not the same company as rhino-lining) across the area that dips from the upper rear flat area to the lower front area on the rack but don't quote me on it... Porter here is the link to the flooring you saw before:http://www.offroadtuff.com/RhinoRAC.htm  | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 133 Registered: 01-2003 |
I have the SD Adventure rack on my D1, and I love it. Well, when my brother decided it was time to build his truck up, that's the one I suggested to him. But in his frugality, when he stumbled upon the NWP knock-off, he was sold; aesthetically the same rack for half the price, what a deal right? Wrong. That thing is crap. The welds are bubbled like blown glass. Looks like the damn thing has huge zits on its seams. Oh, and when it came, it was 4 INCHES TOO NARROW. Is that possible? Can someone who is heralded as a reputable vendor really let a product so grossly out-of-spec off their production line? How can you really call that a replica? Well, we had to bow it out a bit to make it fit, but we finally got it on without it looking too bad. My .02 cents: if you want the best rack for the Discovery, don't buy the NWP rack. If you can't find the SD rack, keep looking, you will eventually. If it's too expensive for you, that's another story, but I would still say wait until you can afford it, then buy it. It's better to do it right the first time than to learn the hard way and do it twice. Trust me, I had Ranchos. Oh, and about the Hannibals: no matter how strong they are, they are still ugly as hell. | ||
| Yureg Rolfedrev (Jrolfedrev) New Member Username: Jrolfedrev Post Number: 1 Registered: 12-2003 |
Do you know the URL for the adventure rack? | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 198 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks, Ron!! | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 836 Registered: 08-2002 |
At present I am a big fan of the Hannibal at this point. I do not have one yet, but really want one. I like accessories, the mounting system and personally believe they look the best. In addition to that they are one complete flat surface, which I feel would be easier to work with. I have seen rather extensive rain gutter damage on some of the racks that mount legs directly to the gutter. Nathan, how has your Hannibal done WRT rain gutter damage? | ||
| Victor Biro (Vabiro) Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jim, Here is the Safety Devices (Original Equipment) Adventure Rack via Thached Roof Garage: http://www.thatchedroofgarage.com/safety_devices_products.htm And the North West Parts: http://www.northwestparts.com/Voyager_Racks.htm Cheers Victor | ||
| Blake Monchilovich (Azblake) Member Username: Azblake Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2003 |
ARB? Looks pretty sweet. | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 337 Registered: 08-2002 |
I agree. Whole heartedly. It just takes forever to get one. Took me 6 months. | ||
| Jess Brandt (Disco285) Member Username: Disco285 Post Number: 175 Registered: 09-2002 |
i got my Safety Devices Expedition, not the adventure/highlander rack from Thatched Roof Garage and had it in 3 days... i highly recommend David and the rack... it looks great and sits low on the car... it requires removal of the factory roof rails. I imagine the other safety devices' racks of are the same quality... Jess | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 748 Registered: 02-2002 |
This, from the NWP site: "Not a "Cheap Knock-off" You have GOT TO BE FUCKING KIDDING ME. | ||
| Jeffry Scott (Jeffry) Member Username: Jeffry Post Number: 134 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've thought about the NWP rack, but obviously have concerns now that I've read this thread. I do have this question though, is the poor welding, etc ... merely cosmetic, or will the thing break apart after a short while? If it is purely cosmetic flaws, I could live with that. If it is just poor quality, forget it ... Thanks, Jeff |
