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     Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1130 Registered: 02-2002 |
WASHINGTON - U.S. military captured a man in the basement of a building in Tikrit, Iraq (news - web sites), during raids seeking Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), and initial efforts to verify his identity indicate he is the deposed Iraqi dictator, U.S. officials said. "It certainly looks good," one senior U.S. official said, cautioning more scientific testing, possibly DNA, was being done early Sunday morning to try to confirm the identity. | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 701 Registered: 08-2002 |
Confirmed all over TV news this morning. Let's torture the fucker for the next 10 years. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2231 Registered: 02-2002 |
If it's true, send him to a hardcore American Prison. That way Saddam can experience true love via Bubba and the boys.  | ||
| Roger Fastring (Fastring) Member Username: Fastring Post Number: 57 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hats off to the young men and women that made that possible. Think 'Operation Red Dawn' used any Rovers? | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 198 Registered: 08-2003 |
He said that he was going to fight to the death. His' sons said the same thing, and they did fight to the death. How did we capture him? HIDING IN A DAMN "SPIDER" HOLE LIKE A COWARD. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 199 Registered: 08-2003 |
Just too add, he did have a pistol on him. | ||
| Ken Judson (Ken6814) New Member Username: Ken6814 Post Number: 23 Registered: 10-2003 |
Its almost too bad that someone didnt just shoot him when they found him. It would have been a whole lot less to deal with. Keeping him in prison could lead to more problems. | ||
| Al Oliveira (Offroaddisco) Senior Member Username: Offroaddisco Post Number: 1619 Registered: 04-2002 |
He might still fall a few times from a roof top.... or fall a few times onto a knife and then there is always the possibility of a self inflicted (multiple) shotgun shots to the head. | ||
| Paul Clawson (Pnut) Member Username: Pnut Post Number: 84 Registered: 02-2003 |
I am really happy for the men and women of the military. I'll bet bin laden just got a little more nervous. they can run AND they can hide and they'll still get him. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1133 Registered: 02-2002 |
What do you think the ultimate outcome will be for Saddam now? He's gonna be tried in Iraq, not the USA, so I guess they have the death penalty. Unless they find him not guilty and release him a free man! lol | ||
| carl seashore (Drcarl) Member Username: Drcarl Post Number: 73 Registered: 07-2003 |
kudos to the men and women in uniform. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 178 Registered: 05-2003 |
Great news that he was captured alive! A trial by Iraquis and covered by AlJazeera will show the Arab world the extent of his cruelty. And hopefully change how he is currently viewed by many Arabs as the only Arab who stood up to the US. | ||
| ken knebusch (Charlotterover) Senior Member Username: Charlotterover Post Number: 283 Registered: 02-2002 |
I love it: Operation RED DAWN "But it was not until 8 o’clock on Saturday night, with the launch of Operation Red Dawn, that they finally began to close in on the prize. The hunters spread out across two locations, labeled Wolverine One and Wolverine Two." Wasn't Wolverine the High School mascot in the move Red Dawn?! | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 185 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wolverine was the mascot of the high school, and the name of the guerilla group the students formed in the movie. Someone in the G-3 has a sense of humor. Proves the adage about people like that: "They have to be lucky every day for the rest of their life, we only have to be lucky once" What a great day... | ||
| Phil deGuzman (Powerslide) New Member Username: Powerslide Post Number: 12 Registered: 12-2003 |
I was so happy to hear it early this morning on my way to the golf course and honked my horn to celebrate. LOL. Many thanks to our Armed Forces and may God Bless them. Hopefully Bin Laden is next. | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 441 Registered: 04-2003 |
Golf course?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! It's 28 degrees and snowy here, Phil... That said, I wouldn't want to be OBL right now. Hiding in a cave somewhere, waiting for that morning or night when he's awakened by English voices yelling to put his hands up, and realizing that he, unlike the 13 year olds he sends to suicide by bombing, is too cowardly to do himself in. What a great day that will be. The difference: Capturing Bin Laden will be a great day for all Americans, and many others, but today is a great day for the ideas of freedom and decency! Way to go, 4ID and all American servicemen! Andy | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Member Username: Markp Post Number: 244 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jaime is right, a trial in Iraq is what we want. Let the trail be televised around the world. Let the US be seen as humane, moral and standing up for the oppressed in the MidEast. I bet the axis of weasels is squirming just a little right now. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 249 Registered: 10-2003 |
and now...bin laden? I feel sadam was just something little bush was after to save his daddys rep. I want osama! ...and don't get me started on the cheney gas rip off! As a combat vet, I have different opinions than most civilians..I'm not to happy with the way things have been done (by the civilians in charge), but i'm always proud of those serving! | ||
| Max Thomason (Lrmax) Senior Member Username: Lrmax Post Number: 274 Registered: 11-2002 |
As for Saddams' trial, in the past enemies of the US have had fair trials. A good example is all of the Japaneese after WW2. There was something like 79 Japaneese Lawyers along with 20 American lawyers defending the men accused of war crimes. They were well defended but the main problem was that they were all pretty much guilty so many were sentenced to death. They went through the system in a proper manner with all of the standard stuff. Its just that they didn't have much of a chance. I kinda expect the same thing for ole' Saddam. Max T. | ||
| Brad W. Boyd (Bwboyd87) Member Username: Bwboyd87 Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2003 |
Isn't this country great? You have the freedom of speech to voice whatever strange thoughts you have about our government or whatever! I'm a combat vet too, and many of the "civilians in charge" served in our country's military in addition to serving in a political office. Some of us are proud of that too. Thank you for your service, Semper Fi, Brad | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Senior Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 266 Registered: 10-2003 |
No offense intend Brad ( to fellow vets). And you make a good point about the politians with military service. But I do have 'issues' with many of the things they are doing. And Thanks for your service, too! Hooah! Lewis Jones 2/75th Inf RNGR ABN Ret. | ||
| James P Groom (Jpg) New Member Username: Jpg Post Number: 33 Registered: 06-2003 |
Cutter Many of the ex military civies in guvment got there by flaunting their military service. I knew quite a few high ranking officer and, to a lesser extent, enlisted types that spent their final years of service weaseling their way into a cushy job. They are however a minority of the dedicated people (military and civilian) that keep our country (and speech) free. When I was in Saudi I saw a concrete 60" tower that criminals where tossed from onto concrete. If they survived, then their relatives were required to beat them to death (or risk the same climb up the tower) in order to save the family "honor". This would be a good way for Sadaam to go out. | ||
| Ashley D. Shugart (Ashhole) New Member Username: Ashhole Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2003 |
If only justice could exist like that. Everythings so cushioned now that you'd have every liberal and their mother freaking out if we could do to him what we should( I like the tower thing, james). I'm suprised by all the retired military posting on here, that's awesome. I also enjoyed that every family member I talked to asked if we were celebrating...I wish I could say that we were, but it's just work as usual. You have no idea how much the support means to all of us over here. Thank you. -Spc. Ashley Shugart 3/505 Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne...Somewhere in the desert... | ||
| James P Groom (Jpg) New Member Username: Jpg Post Number: 34 Registered: 06-2003 |
Oops, the tower was 60' not 60". Maybe they should cut off both his hands (like they do thieves over there) and make him beg in the streets. Too bad the guys that caught him cannot share in the $25million reward. On to the next in line. | ||
| Brad W. Boyd (Bwboyd87) Member Username: Bwboyd87 Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2003 |
If I remember correctly, actor Bruce Willis (one of the few troop supporters from Hollywood...the rest make me sick and have been boycotted in my house) offered a Million bucks to the Soldier/Marine/Airman/Seaman who helps capture Hussein. I am waiting for the Extra episode where he awards the troops and follows-up on his offer! But I'm not holding my breath... | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 186 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brad- I wouldn't doubt if Bruce Willis did that, afterall he sent a ton of Girl Scout cookies to AF awhile back in support of the guys there, not to mention his personal appeal to Pres Bush to send him over there. That being said it would seem that the JSOC guys jerked him out of the hole-hence the reason we're only seeing interviews from the Cordon guys. If it were part of the TF I doubt they will ever go public with it, not their style... I think Jame's 60" tower works fine too, maybe they just have to make a lot of trips up to the top to get the same effect as the 60' version. | ||
| Brad W. Boyd (Bwboyd87) Member Username: Bwboyd87 Post Number: 49 Registered: 04-2003 |
I don't know anything about Willis, but his movies are entertaining and patriotic to a point. Even though he is a Hollywood type, it would bring much credit to him if he followed-up on his challenge even if it was behind closed doors. From what I have in front of me (SIPRNet), the responsible folks within 4th ID are happy yet humble about their recent efforts, but know that there are more missions to complete and are ready to press on...true warriors. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 240 Registered: 10-2002 |
Great news for us, but even greater news for everyone in Iraq. Let them do the trial and the punishment. They'll enjoy it even more than we would have (all except for a few jihadis, who've just lost their reason for being.) | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 189 Registered: 09-2002 |
Pretty good account of the initial moments here: http://www.iht.com/articles/121654.html My favorite part is the "the soldiers were about to throw a grenade in when two hands appeared" While I think he needs to be put on trial and exposed for the person he is, a small part of me says 'Damn their restraint, a frag would have gone a long way to giving him what he deserves' Oh well, there's always letting the Kuwaitis interrogate him. | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) New Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2003 |
The only problem some politicians have with anyone putting him on trial and going through *all* the bad things he's done over the decades, is that the US had a hand in a number of his "bad things". Remember, it was the US that helped finance some of the war against Iran and other things in his dark past. I also wonder why he hasn't been declared a POW yet? We're still at war and he was the leader of the group we are at war with. Sometimes the US's backhanded way of bending international laws and rules annoys me. Politicians suck. pwc | ||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 190 Registered: 09-2002 |
Peter- Valid point regarding our support for his regime in their war against Iran, although at the time it should be noted they were engaging a country that was openly exporting Islamic fundamentalism and terror and had just held quite a few of our diplomats for over a year-in total defiance of diplomatic convention and law. Its also worthwhile to note that as Saddam's activities in repressing his people become more apparent our support was withdrawn-which is more than can be said for some of our enlightened European allies. Furthermore its also interesting to point out that the current president has made it clear that we have made mistakes in the Middle East for decades-that doesn't mitigate the fact that we have to move forward and we also have to contend with the evils that are still there, it openly admits to mistakes and speaks to a U.S. vision of a need to change the status quo. Lastly, I'm not a JAG but I'm pretty sure its accurate to stipulate that Saddam is being treated in accordance with the Rules of Land Warfare as they relate to POWs, but final determination regarding that status directly pertains to his involvement in the current state of hostilities. I.E. if he were financing or in some capacity directing the insurgency against the legitimate, and recognized, Iraqi National Congress he isn't really a POW, he moves into the category of criminal or the popular "Enemy Combatant." I guess some would strive to afford all of our enemies all the comforts and rights of a POW, but in this specific case its quite proper to hold out on final status determination until things like the continued exploitation of documentation found on his person is finished. Just some food for thought, in a non-rover capacity- Ray | ||
| Jens Störmer (Jenzz) Member Username: Jenzz Post Number: 47 Registered: 08-2002 |
Just came in via e-mail:  | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 91 Registered: 11-2002 |
What an insult to Pavrotti! But then they are 2 "Suprano" type guys. |
