| Author | Message | ||
     Lee R. Byrd (Mobile) Member Username: Mobile Post Number: 49 Registered: 07-2003 |
I was involved in an accident and I have to replace my 99 DII's front bumper. I have been leaning towards a TJM 15 Alloy front bumper. Who has the best price on the TJM bumpers? Full retail is $1050 US. Also, does anyone have anything against this bumper (other than a cosmetic opinion)? | ||
| Chris DeJesus (Mudy_ovl) Member Username: Mudy_ovl Post Number: 87 Registered: 02-2002 |
Lee, www.4x4connection.com is running a special right now. 10% off TJMs, with shipping only $50.00 to a commercial address. That is the best I've found so far. Best of luck, Chris | ||
| Wes (Wes) Member Username: Wes Post Number: 216 Registered: 02-2002 |
I just ordered my T17 from EE. | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 612 Registered: 04-2001 |
Thatchedroofgarage.com David Gage is the best. Probably the best price too. Ron | ||
| Mike (Mikem) Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.rubicon4x4.com/ These guys have a decent price on the TJM bumpers and they also contribute time and money to keeping the Rubicon trail open. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 761 Registered: 02-2002 |
www.expeditionexchange.com Read their TJM page. There will find the most comprehensive collection of pictures of TJM bumpers on Disco 2s. John has probably the most well considered and experienced opinions you will ever run across. It is reassuring to know that I bought my TJM from someone who has installed many of these bumpers and seen them in action on the trail instead of just shipping them off to some customer somewhere. Nothing beats experience. | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 644 Registered: 03-2002 |
expedition exchange. even if the price is higher, you get to deal with pro's who walk the walk. | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 1090 Registered: 04-2002 |
Also, TJMs US headquarters is in Knoxville, TN. So, if you live close by or will be passing through you can save yourself on shipping. I purchased mine from David Gage at Thatched Roof. | ||
| Leo (Leo_hallak) Member Username: Leo_hallak Post Number: 148 Registered: 02-2003 |
I got mine from EE. www.expeditionexchange.com -Leo | ||
| Keith McFatridge (Mcfatty) New Member Username: Mcfatty Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
Expedition Exchange is by far the best choice. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2002 |
EE...best choice? Horse Shit. Good choice, yes. EE has lots of info. 4x4 connection is very knowledgable and they walk the walk as well. At EE, they don't even install the TJM rear bumper correctly! EE must be expanding their payroll! It is good to see a Landrover site doing well though. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 766 Registered: 02-2002 |
The Jimmyg 688 attack sub surfaces. If you had a shred of credibility I might consider asking you why you say:
But you don't, so I won't. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 445 Registered: 10-2002 |
I was on the phone when a TJM rep when he called John Lee. Can't you just get a life Craig? It would be nice if Mr. Lee could match prices, would it not? | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2002 |
So which is it...match prices or install correctly? Because if EE can't install properly I would really like to know why would price matching really matter. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 446 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ron, two different subjects. They do sell products that do not need installation, right? Also, most who buy from EE don't get their product installed by EE. I am sure that they install most things just fine, I was only referring to ONE item. Price matching is always nice for the buyer. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 228 Registered: 11-2002 |
James, Your posts are all over the place. First you say they do not install properly. How do you know they do not install properly? Then you say it would be nice if they price matched. What exactly is your beef with EE? There is no need for them to price match because they have all their items in stock. No drop shipping involved and they are not operating out of a suite or a P.O. Box. I'll take a shot and guess you do not even have your own business, therefore you would not know anything about margins, growth or over-head. Back to the install… You must know something, why are you hesitant to post your knowledge or proof here. Since you brought it up you have changed your posts several times. Is this your idea of trying to make others look stupid in the thread? Answer the damn questions and quit beating around the bush. Like all your other posts, I say you are full of shit. Ron | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 447 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ron, You are correct, I do not own a business. I'm actually finishing school now as a business major so I am vary aware of your terms and many more. I have no real beef with EE. I'm just not a fan of Mr. Lee but who cares. Many of the vendors that I deal with will match the lowest price that I find which is great for me. Concerning the install of a rear TJM bumper, if you look at the pics on the EE site and refer to the installation intructions, you will notice that the bumper is not fully installed. The support arms are missing as well as the frame mounts. I also spoke to a rep from TJM that called John Lee and asked how he installed the majority of his bumpers. The TJM rep then told me that 2 bolts that mount through the frame were not used in EE installation. The proper install calls for 6 bolts to mount to the frame, not 4. I know this because I just installed the TJM rear bumper on my truck. Also, I don't care if an item I order is drop shipped. As long as I get my product at a great price from a quality vendor and receive it without delay, I'm happy. Most of my vendors not only have a great shop and great products, but they also make many of their own products. If I haven't answered all your damn questions or if you still think that I'm full of shit, lets chat off d-web. E-mail me at jamesgall22@hotmail.com | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 229 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thanks for answering my questions. No need to chat, you just clarified you are full of shit. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 687 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jimmyg, Fuck you. So the vendors you deal with will match the best prices out there. So why not buy from them instead of from EE? Why ask EE to match their prices? I have always wondered why people ask us to match another price they see on the web. Why not just buy the item they want from that other vendor with the lower price and eliminate poking around for prices and looking like a cheap fuck? If A sells an item for $150 and B sells an item for $140, why not just buy that item from B? Why expend the time and energy to approach A and ask A to match B's price? Cheap fucks like you like to pretend that you are indifferent between buying from A or B, but if so then why do you bother asking A to match B's price? Obviously, A has something you want but don't want to pay for. So you basically try to get the both of worlds by getting that intangible from A while paying B's price. There's nothing wrong with this. But for you to claim that you're indifferent is yet another lie from you. It's just as much of a lie as when you snapped your OME shock and couldn't get it warranted from the place you bought it from and tried to have your buddy Daniel Chapman try to warranty your broken shock through EE. Concerning your TJM rear bumper and the TJM bumper pictured on our site, yes there is a difference. The mounting of the additional bolts requires drilling of the frame. The owner of the Disco pictured on our TJM page didn't want his frame drilled, so I didn't drill his frame. When installing TJM rear bumpers, I always ask the customer if he wants the full install (which requires drilling of the frame) or the partial install (which doesn't require drilling of the frame). I leave it to the customer and do whatever he likes. It's his truck. For you to call this an improper install is just more bullshit from your lying mouth. And I find it hilarious that you had to call TJM USA to ask about your bumper install. Why didn't you ask the place where you bought your bumper? The obvious answer is that the place you bought your bumper from didn't know diddly squat about your bumper. So you called TJM USA and TJM USA called EE. Note how TJM USA didn't call your vendor, because TJM USA knows your vendor doesn't know diddly squat. And for your information, EE matches prices all the time. We just do it for existing customers and such who genuinely prefer to buy from EE. We don't do it for non-customers or cheap fucks like you who are fishing for the best possible price. Whenever someone like you calls and asks us to match B's price, my reaction to them is the same as my reaction to you when you called and tried to pick my brain about OME N73L shocks. I just played dumb and politely told you to fuck off even though you were squealing like a stuck pig because I knew damn well you were just brain raping and had absolutely no intention of buying the N73L shocks from EE. My reaction to them is the same as my reaction to you. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 487 Registered: 02-2003 |
Everybody please chill out a little...... | ||
| Yureg Rolfedrev (Jrolfedrev) New Member Username: Jrolfedrev Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey, lighten up guys...it's christmas season  Anyway, I deal with EE before and I'm happy with their customer service unless JimmyG hates asian people, what's up with that!!! PinoyRover | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Senior Member Username: Jack Post Number: 260 Registered: 03-2002 |
James, Jimmie, whatever - I picked up my bumper at the TJM's Knoxville office (the US distributor of TJM). They all spoke very highly of John Lee and Expedition Exchange. Bought my TJM for my D2 from John Lee at EE. Didn't shop around, didn't feel the need to - I've always felt that EE appreciated my business, and they always take the time to answer my questions, no matter how trivial. And no, I'm not on the payroll and I'm not a big customer, I just appreciate superior service. I'm a small retail business owner too, and if we small businesses took the time to match prices for every cheap shit out there who surfs the web and calls every retailer they can find, well, only those retailers with 800#s, because these cheap fucks won't spend the money for a long distance call - we'd all go broke. I buy from and support those who have a little class, who know and stand behind what they sell, and who actually appreciate the fact that you're spending your hard-earned money with them. So, to answer the question of the thread, buy your TJM from Expedition Exchange, you won't find better service anywhere. | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Senior Member Username: Jack Post Number: 261 Registered: 03-2002 |
To answer the second part of the thread. I didn't buy the alloy, I'm not sure it's stocked on a regular basis, but I may be wrong on that. I bought the steel T17, and am very pleased and impressed with the fit, finish and ruggedness of this bumper. Do yourself a favor and buy some Hella's too. The TJM comes pre-drilled for the mounting and they are one of the nicest upgrades I've made. Rallye fogs or driving, both are excellent, look great on the TJM too. https://www.expeditionexchange.com/hella/ | ||
| Rupert J (Tehamarx) Member Username: Tehamarx Post Number: 95 Registered: 11-2002 |
Knowledge & customer service is great at EE. I bought the Dreadnoughts from them, But I refused to buy the TJM bumper from them. NOT because of price, but mainly because I HATE paying CA taxes for big ticket items unless I have to! (I live in the "golden" state) John knows this b/c I told him. John respects (or laughs at) me for my political tax quirkiness and I respect him & EE for their fair pricing, quality merchandise, and knowledgeable service. Have a nice day! | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 346 Registered: 08-2002 |
I buy from EE not for the great service, knowledge or prices but for the cool stickers. I have a collection of three different one. I know they are going to be a collectors item one day. LOL Charles | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 448 Registered: 10-2002 |
First of all, I know that EE has great service/knowledge and OK prices. You are right John, I had to call TJM to find an answer to a question that my vendor could not answer...so what! I'd rather save $50 and make a 2 minute phone call. And for this qoute "It's just as much of a lie as when you snapped your OME shock and couldn't get it warranted from the place you bought it from and tried to have your buddy Daniel Chapman try to warranty your broken shock through EE." John Lee, why are you making shit up? I've never owned an OME shock ever! But then again, I'm sure that you know what has been on my truck and not me, right? Do you actually think that I have ever puchased anything from you? I hope not. And I am cheap because I am a broke college student that has the time but not the money. I need the best price I can find. I think everyone has a little cheap fuck in them, otherwise everyone would be content taking their truck to the dealership for a swift poke in the ass. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 529 Registered: 05-2003 |
Go Charles!! Most superior stickers, YES!! I don't even want to count how many I've stuck on mine. Service and Support is the best one could ever hope for. John Lee has always been patient with me when asking questions. Website is always up to date with cutting edge, tried and true, and practical products. Products pages always show pics of use, suggestions, and pics/explanations of the products being used in the field in real life. Keeping that website current costs a pretty penny and lots of man hours. Prices? Can't complain there - they are reasonable and always less than the manufactured suggested retail prices. For all that I get as a customer, shipping charges cross country are well worth it. I purchased my TJM thru someone else because saved $150 in freight costs by doing it. However, TJM referred me to John Lee for solutions in coming up with some challenging puzzles. They told me that he is the TJM expert in the USA. John Lee has been gracious enough to come up with solutions to try even though I did not purchase my bumper from him. In my opinion, EE is a class act. I have such respect for their superior selection of products, that I never hesitate to try their newer products. A few of their products are slowly replacing products/items/brands that I've used for years and never thought I'd turn away from. Anyone who buys from EE gets way more for their money than product. I'm pretty darn picky about which companies I purchase from. Give me the honest small business owners out there anyday. They're the ones who know their products. Mind you, this just my opinion as a customer, EE has always treated me fairly and kindly. Because they know their products, I am able to make purchases confidently. Jamie | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 489 Registered: 04-2003 |
There is a difference betweenn being cheap and being frugal. As far as EE goes, a few months back I called EE to buy my new OME Springs and new shocks. John told me they were out of stock, but told me who to call in order to get the product that I wanted. If that is not customer service, I don't know what is. When I go to buy more mods for my Disco, I know who I will be calling first (and not to price match either). I just wish more business took care of their customer this well. We would all be happier customers and loyalty to business would a lot higher. James, since you are going to school to learn business, you might want to consider your attitude when you either own or work for someone. Remember there are two major rules to business 1. Location, Location, Location and 2. Everyone who calls you or walks in you business door are your boss. If you don't make them happy, you will not be in business long. Marry Christmas and God bless all who visit Discoweb. | ||
| Mike (Mikem) Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2003 |
I was going to purchase a TJM bumper from EE last summer, but they were out of stock. I was dissappointed when John recommended the ARB bumper because you can mount the same "cool" lights on the ARB as you can the TJM. I didn't want the ARB because I don't like the design of the crush cans or the reduced approach angle. I will be upgrading my suspension in the future. I am considering purchasing springs and shocks from EE because of the informantion on their website. I am worried, however, that if I call them they will give me advice based solely on the appearance of the truck not based on the functionality and performance of the suspension. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 769 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike- You need not worry about functionality because if EE's selling it then it's plenty functional. Might as well focus on the aesthetics! The TJM doesn't buy you THAT much more approach angle. Don't worry about ARB approach angle because you have that Disco2 fat ass shallow departure angle. What good is a great approach angle when you're just going to mash your rear bumper on the departure anyhow? | ||
| Mike (Mikem) Member Username: Mikem Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2003 |
You're right Craig. I might as well just drink the koolaid. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 449 Registered: 10-2002 |
Mike, I know that ARB makes bars without crush-cans for the D1, not sure about the D2. Might be worth looking into if you haven't already. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 770 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike- Allow me to play my own devil's advocate here: 1) The TJM has a superior winch mounting system that won't rotate the bumper. 2) I believe the TJM has a nicer aesthetic than the ARB. In the end, I do believe waiting for a TJM is the wise choice. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 690 Registered: 03-2003 |
Mike, "I was going to purchase a TJM bumper from EE last summer, but they were out of stock. I was dissappointed when John recommended the ARB bumper because you can mount the same "cool" lights on the ARB as you can the TJM." My recollection of the conversation is different from yours. Yes, we were out of the T15's because TJM USA was out of stock and not filling orders. I didn't "recommend" the ARB. Rather, I offered the ARB as a viable option. I told you the same thing I tell all people: there is no substantial difference between the ARB and TJM bars for the D2; both are airbag-compatible; both accept the Hella 4000's; both take the same winches; the TJM has slightly better approach angle but not enough to make a difference; that it basically comes down to personal preference which one you get; and that my personal preference is for the TJM because I think it looks better than the ARB does. I guess what you got out of that conversation was "go with what looks best". | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 649 Registered: 03-2002 |
i have been shopping at ee since i started modding rover. and i will continue to do so. even though i live in texas and have never met john personally, i can say that he has gone well out of his way, from the very first phone call, to provide me with more information and advice than i ever asked for. and all of it has been right on target. everytime i call, he remembers who i am, and i bet he can tell you everything i have on my truck...even the stuff i did not buy from him and that is because his customer service is first rate. for some of you, that is not important. but for me, the idea that the people i do business with want to establish a relationship that moves beyond charging my card or cashing my check will have me returning for years to come. each individual has individual needs, but as far as i am concerned, value transcends price in many things. thanks john, for all your help. mike | ||
| Simon E. Arenas (Simon) Member Username: Simon Post Number: 164 Registered: 02-2002 |
the only thing I hate about those Fucks at EE is that they don't live here in Miami.... or should I say that I don't live in California...? S. | ||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 844 Registered: 02-2002 |
one thing that always sticks in my mind when this type of topic arises is this: there is going to be a time when you are shit out of luck and in the middle of bum fuck Egypt with a broken Rover. now, who is going to be more responsive to your needs: a. vendor 1. who could care fucking less as you're just another dick crying you need something and the vendor needs to go out of his way OR b. vendor 2. with whom you have established a working relationship? I'll take vendor 2. and feel very confident the vendors from whom I purchase will go out of there way to help if the need arose. do yourself a favor and buy the damn thing from EE. Jaime  | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 221 Registered: 05-2003 |
Yeah I was just thinking ... John, how about EEE the third "E" for East?? Expedition Exchange East. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 771 Registered: 02-2002 |
EEE is taken.  | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 223 Registered: 05-2003 |
10-4 | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Senior Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 279 Registered: 11-2002 |
"one thing that always sticks in my mind when this type of topic arises is this: there is going to be a time when you are shit out of luck and in the middle of bum fuck Egypt with a broken Rover. now, who is going to be more responsive to your needs: a. vendor 1. who could care fucking less as you're just another dick crying you need something and the vendor needs to go out of his way OR b. vendor 2. with whom you have established a working relationship?" This always cracks me up too. How about Vendor C - the local or regional vendor with whom I have a great relationship? No knock against any vendor - not against EE or anyone at all - but if I am broken down in southern Ohio, there isn't anything EE can do for me. But Peters Offroad can and has helped. Now Jaime, if you rephrase to "If you are broken down in your driveway and can wait a few days for a shipment?" then phone/mail order, whether from a discounter or EE, is fine, back to your regular programming. joe | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 773 Registered: 02-2002 |
Crap, I just read the first post again. Lee- Why do you feel the need to use an alloy front bumper? Steel is real | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 615 Registered: 04-2001 |
LOL who pays someone to install a bumper! also what could possibly happen where you would need support for a bumper asap (ARB crush cans excluded). As far as price matching, the good internet/mail order vendors (local is different) I have dealt with do price match, at least to an extent they can. To be completely true though, 99% the the time the vendors I deal with have the best price to begin with, and if not it is so close to be not a matter of concern that the superior service is worth it. Ron | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 692 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL. Philosophy from the poor. Ron, do you think everyone in the world is as poor as you are? I realize you're a starving student and law school is expensive and you already know how to install the bumper, so obvioiusly for you it's not worth paying someone else to install a bumper. But there are many thousands of people in the world for whom it is not worth it. Wait until you graduate from law school and you're practicing. You'll be making $250 an hour or much much more. When I was practicing, my billing rate was $220 an hour, and I was just a punk ass third year. The partners at my firm were billing $600 an hour. As incredible as it sounds, lots of people in this world make that much money. For these people, it is worth it to pay someone else to work on their vehicles for them. Why not pay $200 to someone else to install something, and just work an extra hour at the office to cover it? This is a lot better for them than to spend their precious spare time working on their truck. This may sound absurd to you, but it's very reasonable for people in their situation. Or imagine you're a surgeon and you don't want to risk mangling a hand or finger or you just don't grease under your fingernails. Just pay someone else the $200 and don't worry about it. Or imagine you're arthritic and can't install the bumper yourself. Or what if you're not comfortable doing it yourself and would rather pay someone you trust to install it for you and sleep better knowing it was installed well? All of these are justifiable and reasonable reasons for paying someone else to do the work. Not everyone lives the way you do or thinks the way you do, Ron. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 534 Registered: 05-2003 |
No Problems, EE has connections with magic elves... YESTERDAY AFTERNOON 2-18-03: 1:20:28 Sent email inquiry to John Lee about a product 1:24:23 Received email response from John Lee with answer to my question 2:02:00 Finished placing order online at EE website 2:06:59 Received email from EE confirming my order 2:44:16 Received email from EE including invoice, shipping charges, and tracking numbers THIS MORNING 12-19-03 9:30 Order sitting on the floor of my garage Entire order from CA to FL in less than 20 hours | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Senior Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2003 |
Jamie has givin the final answer! Thats some kick ass service! now lets let this thread die.... | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 616 Registered: 04-2001 |
"Ron, do you think everyone in the world is as poor as you are? I realize you're a starving student and law school is expensive" LOL, thats a good one, I am starving and poor, ya new BWM 5, D90, house on the Main Line, 6 other rovers, no debt, I am poor Alyssa and I will be accepting paypal donations to subsidize my books. I am not poor just cheap and for those who know me, I doubt anyone would consider me to be starving . While I agree that your hypothetical doctor may choose not to install a bumper, I think that the vast majority of people who are in the market for a bumper like working on their trucks whether they can afford to pay others or not. Hand surgeons who worry about grease tend not to want TJMs for their 99 DII. While there are the "check book" wheelers those people are best served by local dealer/specialty shop, who not only install the equipment, but also are able to procure it and offer advice and tech support. They tend not to be concerned enough about where to buy it to post on discoweb. While for the check book wheelers customer service is paramount, for me I have to have good product, good price, and good customer service, and I can say that I have recieved nothing but the best from David Gage at thatched roof garage and everyone else I know feels the same way. I tend to think most people on dweb are more like me than your surgeon. Ron | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 776 Registered: 02-2002 |
Ain't that the truth. Can't fault that statement | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
"ya new BWM 5" Is this the one that is made in China?  | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 694 Registered: 03-2003 |
That's great thinking, Ron. First you ask who on Earth would pay someone else to install a bumper. Then I give you examples of people for whom it makes perfect sense to pay someone else to do the job. Then you come back with some meaningless statement about how there are more cheap fucks than surgeons on DiscoWeb. I can't disagree with your statement, but your response is meaningless. The fact remains that there are many many people in this world who pay someone else to install their bumper for them, and that for many people, this decision is perfectly reasonable and justifiable. Would I pay someone else to install some sliders or a bumper on my truck? No. But I don't poke fun at people who do. And I think it's a joke that you poke fun at people who do. Your "keeping it real" attitude when you poke fun of these people is hilarious. As I said before, not everybody lives the way you do or thinks the way you do, Ron. Just for the record, I would guess that about one-fifth of our ARB and TJM bumper sales to go dealerships or shops. That is, about one in five bumper purchasers pays someone else to install the bumper for him. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 451 Registered: 10-2002 |
John Lee, Still waiting for your response to my truck having OME shocks? It's just messed up that you call people out on credibility when you are full of shit. | ||
| michael a. kerr (Ethanrover98) New Member Username: Ethanrover98 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2003 |
Too bad this thread has taken on such a negative and combative tone........... It actually started out as a useful thread!!! It has become somewhat amusing, but it would be cool if someone would be man enough to end the nonsense...... | ||
| michael burt (Mikeyb) Senior Member Username: Mikeyb Post Number: 650 Registered: 03-2002 |
you might not want to spend too much time on the tool section then, michael...this has been pretty tame compared to the carnage that goes on over there sometimes... ;) | ||
| michael a. kerr (Ethanrover98) New Member Username: Ethanrover98 Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2003 |
Mike, Actually I will have to spend more time on the tool section......... free entertainment while learning!!! I just wonder what these guys would do to eachother in person with a few beers under their belts?? Now that, my friend, would be entertainment....... | ||
| Brett A. Naquin (Bnaquin) New Member Username: Bnaquin Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2003 |
DWEB...good classifieds....good technical advice....political and economic philosophy. This place has EVERYTHING. Brett Naquin San Antonio, Texas 1995 Land Rover Discovery 1995 Toyota Land Cruiser | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 150 Registered: 01-2003 |
This is great. It's the only thread where "Fuck You" is allowed over and over. Now I feel better since I wrote the words "Fuck You". BTW John, I damn near spewed my chewed Triscuits when I read your reply. I was dying. "Hey Jennifer, you have to read what John said in a thread, it's great". "Who in the hell is John?" she replied. "Umm, the guy who owns EE, you know the company that I have bought my last two suspensions from that has the cool stickers that are on the XD". "Oh" she replied, looked at me like I am a dumbass and walked out the room. So anyway, I am tossing in my thoughts about the dealer-cheapass situmation. Since I have been in the rover world, EE has been my best vendor I have dealt with on my major purchases. They answered all of my "dumbass" questions and promptly shipped everything to me. John went "above and beyond" by trying to talk to a mechanic that was installing my OME 2" set up on my 95 who had no clue what he was doing. The mechanic was a real asshole to John, but John still helped him out. I did the install on my XD myself last week. (I am so proud). I am not loaded like Ron (yet) so I do have to be a bit price-conscious. But when it comes to buying stuff for my XD or LE I don't jack around with beating everyone up for a few doolers off. I try to support those that support the enthusiasts, such as us, the members of D-Web. This site has saved me more time and money and is a great entertainment value. The financial-lifestyle benefit from D-Web makes up for the savings that could have been occured from buying from a drop-shipper or poseur shop. Support those that support you. Now I fell better, wait, FUCK YOU! now I feel really good. Thanks John for allowing me to post FUCK YOU over and over. You can delete it if you want though if it's a bit too much. I will understand Going outside now to make some limb risers. Brendan 97 XD with OME HD 2" that I bought from EE 98 LE, haven't bought anything from EE for it yet. Out of money. | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 621 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brendan, some clarification is needed here. John isn't the one who allows you to say "Fuck You" on DiscoWeb. John Lee doesn’t run DiscoWeb, DiscoWeb is a separate and independent entity from EE. It is true, however that Ho Chung, who is a partner in EE also is one of the co-owners of DiscoWeb, and thus wears two hats. Kyle and myself on the other hand, have no affiliation with EE whatsoever. The three of us started DiscoWeb long before John and Ho decided to start EE as a business venture on their own. While I know John personally and highly recommend EE as a vendor, DiscoWeb does not receive any financial benefit from anyone shopping at EE. This is the way it should be. If there were any financial benefit to DiscoWeb from recommending EE, DiscoWeb's credibility would be in severe jeopardy. While I certainly do not agree with JimmyG’s view’s of John and EE, the mere fact that he is allowed to post them on DiscoWeb is proof in itself of DiscoWeb’s status as an independent and impartial resource. So, by all means, continue to shop at EE. Their product line and customer service is highly regarded in the Land Rover community. On the other hand, to those who wish to support Discoweb, please look at our store and donation pages. Donations and the products sold in the DiscoWeb store are DiscoWeb's only source of revenue. Happy Holidays! - Axel | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 695 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jimmyg, OK, let's do a little recap here so that you don't try to lie yet again. On Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 07:23 pm, I wrote to you: "But for you to claim that you're indifferent is yet another lie from you. It's just as much of a lie as when you snapped your OME shock and couldn't get it warranted from the place you bought it from and tried to have your buddy Daniel Chapman try to warranty your broken shock through EE." On Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 10:38 pm, you responded with: "John Lee, why are you making shit up? I've never owned an OME shock ever! But then again, I'm sure that you know what has been on my truck and not me, right? Do you actually think that I have ever puchased anything from you? I hope not." Just so that we are clear. You said: "I've never owned an OME shock ever!" I take this to mean you have never owned an OME shock. If your lying ass wants this unequivocal statement to mean something else, that is your problem. I knew you're lying, but I had better things to do than to look through the archives for your contracting statements, i.e., lies. But then, on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 12:53 pm, you pushed the button yet again by saying: "John Lee, Still waiting for your response to my truck having OME shocks? It's just messed up that you call people out on credibility when you are full of shit." Messed up? I called you a liar. I called you a liar because are a fucking liar. You said you never ever never ever owned OME shocks. But check out this thread: ../17/31256.html> In that thread, you wrote: "Koby,"...long a stroke" Which Bilsteins? I've yet to see an OME that can reach were the 6100's or 7100's do. I just broke a OME shock last month. Does that mean OME sucks? NO! OME = Good Bilsteins = Good OME = 2year warranty RTE = 2 or more. They are different. Remember, happy folks are less vocal about problems. After seeing the RTE shop, I agree that the springs are not made in shop. I have seen OLD RTE springs sag bad but they are replaced as soon as the complaint is voiced with their new springs. Shit, every Disco is like comparing apples to oranges... not like they are all the same! WORD" So now you're saying that you're saying that you have never owned an OME shock. Yet in that previous thread, you said you had just broken an OME shock. Which is it you lying mother fucker? Were you lying then? Or are you lying now? You fucking little piece of shit. | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
ROFLMAO  You're the best John. | ||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Senior Member Username: Jack Post Number: 265 Registered: 03-2002 |
I think Brendan has summed it up pretty well:
Exactly. These are expensive vehicles to maintain, why fuck around over a few dollars - support those that share our passion for nice vehicles, knives, flashlights, cases, recovery gear, suspension upgrades, etc. | ||
| Lee R. Byrd (Mobile) Member Username: Mobile Post Number: 51 Registered: 07-2003 |
Alrighty Ya'll, Calm Down! Attention Koby, You posted... "Crap, I just read the first post again. Lee- Why do you feel the need to use an alloy front bumper? Steel is real" The answer to your question is rather simple... to me at least. No rust and light weight. I have steel bumpers on my Jeep. The welds rust over after a few years. I did not want to have to get the spray can out for every little scratch. Also, the weight savings will help maintain a good power to weight ratio. With the alloy I can have a low maintenance, functional, light, kick ass bumper to route pedestrians...I mean animals, under the rover where they belong. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2255 Registered: 02-2002 |
That's for sure. Hey JimmyG, Remember me, the guy who paid to much for his MTR's? What did you pay again? I have been seaching the www for a month and everyone is on back order except for www.tires.com and they want like $177 a piece (no shipping though) Lee, I know you have expressed a liking for the TJM, but if you are money conscious, check out http://www.rovertym.com/bumpers.htm. IMO, they have a great product, however they are steel and I know how you feel about that. As far as vendors go: I live on the East Coast and really enjoy http://www.4x4connection.com/. HOWEVER, if you want to purchase from a vendor that will answer technical emails or phone calls after you get the product home, then go with http://www.expeditionexchange.com/. Now, get off the www and go get that bumper. Paul Another Happy Day here in Dweb | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2256 Registered: 02-2002 |
Here's a shot of my RTE bumper if you are interested Lee. http://www.rovertym.com/ourprod/bumper/wrapwtabs.jpg Paul | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 223 Registered: 08-2003 |
I second Paul's suggestion about the RTE bumper. I love mine, and couldn't be happier. Weither it's Steve, or John in the past, RTE has always answered my questions. They have helped me whenever I had a question about installing my RTE stuff. EE is the same way. I haven't ordered anything from them, but they have helped me in the past. When I first got my Disco a few years ago, I e-mailed EE some questions I had. They always answered in no time. I haven't ordered anything from EE, because I haven't had too. It was just easier for me to drive into town and purchase things like hella lights, and a high-lift jack from a 4x4 shop where I live. Matt | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 623 Registered: 02-2003 |
So, why didn't you ask your questions at the local 4x4 shop instead of picking John Lee's brain for free, then? Inquiring minds want to know.... - Axel | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 495 Registered: 11-2002 |
I am sure that EE would have helped you if you were installing There stuff too
Matthew some day when you will see that its not about "have too" its about doing the right thing for everybody. Its called WIN WIN. you call around and ask questions because your local 4x4 shop cant answer them, then you take the business to the local guy that has not earned it. when you have a problem he cant help you because he lacks the expierience. YOU LOSE if you call around and then spend money with the people that guide you in the right direction then you win by getting the right goods and the guy that answers your questions wins by making a very meager mark-up so he can stay in business and help you agian and others like you. WIN WIN...the way it should be speaking of win win...its about time I order a couple more DWEB videos | ||
| charles pastrano (Charles) Senior Member Username: Charles Post Number: 348 Registered: 08-2002 |
John I think you finally flushed another little floating piece of shit that just would'nt go away. Charles | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 224 Registered: 08-2003 |
"They have helped me whenever I had a question about installing my RTE stuff." I said that because I was talking about how helpful Steve and John have been. The first paragraph in my post is about RTE, not EE. I WASN'T comparing RTE to EE, I was just saying that they both are customer friendly companies. I was just adding to what Paul had to say about RTE. Axel, The questions I had at the time were about suspension, not Hella lights or high lift jacks. I was asking those Q's in hopes of buying an OME setup from EE, but I didn't. The questions were strickly from interest in there products. I don't call companies to ask questions about a product, and then buy from someone else. I'm not going to waste someones time like that. The people at my local 4x4 shops don't know shit about rovers, so that's why I only buy accessories like the Hella lights, and the High Lift jack from them. I figured it would be easier to drive 10 minutes and buy the product, than ordering it. Hope this makes sense, Matt | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 231 Registered: 11-2002 |
"I think you finally flushed another little floating piece of shit that just would'nt go away." ROFLMAO | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 452 Registered: 10-2002 |
John Lee, You were close but, I HAVE NEVER OWNED A FREAKING OME SHOCK!!! Have you ever broken something that wasn't yours??? The OME shock that I was referring to was off my girlfriends 89 Fj-60!!! Not my truck, you ass. Why don't you just ask for more info before calling people a liar? It was replaced by 4x4 connection and yes, she still has the invoice! So, please tell me again why would I try to get Daniel Chapman to replace either an OME shock that was never on my truck or an OME shock for an Fj-60 that you don't carry? All of the lies that you try to dig up would be clarified just like this one if you new the entire picture. Most of the time I don't care enough to compose complete explications like you do concerning an event. Ron and Charles, you guys are just weak. I would hope that you get all the facts before you start acting like a couple of kids watching a fight on the playground. Paul Morgan, I paid $143 for my MTR's plus shipping from Tirerack and my new BFG MT KM that are 255/85 were $134 at Merchants (local) with no shipping charges. And Paul, I have your grill tongs if you ever need them. | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 54 Registered: 10-2003 |
I must say this is the most entertaining thread I have read here at Dweb. Mr. Lee because of this post when the time comes for upgrades which I am researching now you get my business. Now a part that maybe I should not write but "fuck" I just have to I think JJ is full of shit with his GF's shock statement. Jimmyj just "MY" opinion but you made it sound like it was on your vehicle in your post you could have easly said it was on a LC not a Disco in your post. Oh one more thing if a person wants to recommend a business on this forum give your choice and the reason you like that business no need to say negative things about the business you don't choose to use. Just my .02 cents. Oh yah Merry Christmas to all and to all a GOOD night!! | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 453 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here is the invoice, it's kind of hard to read but the first item is an OME shock for a fj-60 at $72 You should be satisfied now, but I'm sure some of you won't be, but sometimes it just sucks to be wrong...deal with it.   | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2258 Registered: 02-2002 |
AHA! So you are the one. Don't sweat it man, I'm am sure I'll run into you again. All of my local guys tell me that the MTR is on some kind of national back order, just like a bunch of websites that I investigated as well. Now, can't we all get along....... | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 454 Registered: 10-2002 |
I thought that you already had MTR's? Are you going to a bigger tire? The price seems to be going up on the MTR's. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2259 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yep, the prices are definatley going up. This Tuesday, I'll have 5 new 265/75R16s in the garage. However I am going to wait until after I perform the driveshaft upgrade (GBR) before putting the new set on. I'll email you off DWEB about my MTR fun..... | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 620 Registered: 04-2001 |
In 1989 they were FJ62s and not FJ60s Ron | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 232 Registered: 11-2002 |
"I would hope that you get all the facts before you start acting like a couple of kids watching a fight on the playground." Thats great advice.... You should consider it yourself. | ||
| James (Jimmyg) Senior Member Username: Jimmyg Post Number: 455 Registered: 10-2002 |
Ron Brown, You are correct...dual headlights, power windows/doors,etc. However, 60 or 62, they take the same shocks. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 954 Registered: 04-2003 |
John went "above and beyond" by trying to talk to a mechanic that was installing my OME 2" set up on my 95 who had no clue what he was doing. The mechanic was a real asshole to John, but John still helped him out. I did the install on my XD myself last week. (I am so proud). that's what it's all about | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 955 Registered: 04-2003 |
P.S. I no longer do my own work because I'm confident that my new career as a hand model will really take off in 2004. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 231 Registered: 05-2003 |
Blue , you and George Castanza. | ||
| Brad Ashe (Vodkaman) Member Username: Vodkaman Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2003 |
LMAO JIm | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 399 Registered: 10-2002 |
I don't think I want to know what Blue is doing with his hand to earn money... | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 226 Registered: 08-2003 |
EEEWWWWWWWW  | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 502 Registered: 11-2002 |
Blue is it the Lotion that you use that makes your hands so soft? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 964 Registered: 04-2003 |
I plead the 5th |
