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 Craig Edmonds (Porkchop)
 New Member
 Username: Porkchop
 
 Post Number: 4
 Registered: 11-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 02:59 pm: |       | 
 My ABS seems to be kicking in too early.  When I apply the brakes with any snow on the ground the abs kicks in way too early.  I'm worried about hitting someone from behind at a stop light.  Can anyone help me out?  My ABS light isn't comming on, so I'm to asume there is no broblem right?!.
 Tks. Craig.
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 Joey (Joey4420)
 Senior Member
 Username: Joey4420
 
 Post Number: 492
 Registered: 04-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 03:37 pm: |       | 
 You have to remember the way ABS works is to prevent the tires from sliding when the brakes are applied. So what you end up with is a vehicle that will not stop well on ice (like anything does) and snow or heavy mud.
 
 So I would say the ABS is working correctly, which is what the government wants...a vehicle that will not stop well in snow, ice or mud.
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 Alan E. Foster (Vt_alan)
 New Member
 Username: Vt_alan
 
 Post Number: 14
 Registered: 11-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 04:21 pm: |       | 
 I've really gotta chime in and say that in my experience, braking beyond the limits of adhesion has NEVER helped me to stop sooner, regardless of the surface.  If you lock up your brakes in snow, mud or ice, you have effectively made your vehicle into a sled.  The ABS system reacts more quickly than a human could, greatly reducing the chances of this.  I will admit that I don't always like the feeling of the truck doing the driving for me, and that there are situations (esp. off-highway) that would make ABS more dangerous than helpful (i.e. descending steep gravel slopes, when you'd want the tires to lock and dig in, or in really deep snow).
 
 IMHO.
 -Alan
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 Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d)
 Senior Member
 Username: Deanbrown3d
 
 Post Number: 1152
 Registered: 02-2002
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 04:29 pm: |       | 
 The ABS system on my D2 really is crap. On ice, I can accelerate MUCH faster than I can brake. And that has to be fucked up in my opinion.
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 Craig Edmonds (Porkchop)
 New Member
 Username: Porkchop
 
 Post Number: 5
 Registered: 11-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 04:41 pm: |       | 
 Thanks for the feedback.  I'm quite used to ABS and how it works.  My point I think I failed to stess is that my ABS is kicking in way too soon.  My diso, with just  60% brake presure is all it take for the ABS to act.  Let me know if this differs from other rovers.
 Tks. Craig.
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 Alan E. Foster (Vt_alan)
 New Member
 Username: Vt_alan
 
 Post Number: 15
 Registered: 11-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 05:12 pm: |       | 
 Craig,
 Sorry I highjacked the post!  Yes, that does seem extreme to me, mine takes a good deal of pressure to engage when on the dry stuff.
 -Alan
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 Stephen Hawkins (Madmole)
 New Member
 Username: Madmole
 
 Post Number: 24
 Registered: 07-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 05:30 pm: |       | 
 There is a recall in Europe about the ABS triggering too early. Requires new software or ABS contoller box. Will try and look up the details. Was the Pre 2001 D2's if I remember correctly
 
 On snow, often having the wheels slightly locked can work wonders as it scuffs the snow and builds up a dam in front as a break
 
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 Alyssa Brown (Alyssa)
 Senior Member
 Username: Alyssa
 
 Post Number: 375
 Registered: 01-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 06:00 pm: |       | 
 Craig, seeing that you have a series 1, do you know if the abs light comes on at all?  When you turn on your truck, before you go 5 mph, you will see the ABS light illuminated.  If you don't see it, the light is out.  If the light is out, you could be having a problem with your ABS.  I'm guessing this is the most likely scenario.
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 Eric B. (Ebbnyc)
 New Member
 Username: Ebbnyc
 
 Post Number: 24
 Registered: 05-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 07:00 pm: |       | 
 IMHO, It helps to regard ABS as less of a braking tool or aid, and more of an emergency anit-skid system that keeps you from sledding.  On snow/ice at 20-30 mps I prefer to pump manually.  But last summer I reflexively slammed the brakes to avoid an accideent on wet pavement - I know without ABS I would have skidded into a crash, probably spun too - but the ABS brought me down from 60 to a safe stop in a few seconds & in a straight line too (with minor counter steering I'll admit)  If you can pump that fast, rock on - you're a better driver than me.
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 Eric B. (Ebbnyc)
 New Member
 Username: Ebbnyc
 
 Post Number: 25
 Registered: 05-2003
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 07:03 pm: |       | 
 Oh - sorry to ramble - I do agree, in snow/ice it does want to kick in a little too soon!
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 Christopher Boese (Christopher)
 Senior Member
 Username: Christopher
 
 Post Number: 252
 Registered: 10-2002
 
 | | Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 08:16 pm: |       | 
 And once it kicks in, early or late, you're left with that someone-cut-my-brake-lines feeling. There's just no apparent braking action at all, and that's hard to handle psychologically. That's why I use low gears a lot during the Winter.
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 Craig Edmonds (Porkchop)
 New Member
 Username: Porkchop
 
 Post Number: 6
 Registered: 11-2003
 
 | | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 12:20 pm: |       | 
 Thanks Stephen Hawkins, let me know what you find.
 Craig.
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 Alyssa Brown (Alyssa)
 Senior Member
 Username: Alyssa
 
 Post Number: 376
 Registered: 01-2003
 
 | | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 12:49 pm: |       | 
 Craig, the recall isn't applicable to your vehicle.
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 Scott Hayes (Scott_h)
 Member
 Username: Scott_h
 
 Post Number: 81
 Registered: 02-2002
 
 | | Posted on Saturday, December 20, 2003 - 03:12 pm: |       | 
 Craig
 I have a 95 and after replacing the sensors in the wheels several times, I finally yanked all the ABS fuses.  My ABS was comming on when it was dry, and I was hardley brakeing.  I know several folks who have done this.  You may want to have the sensors checked.  I understand the light isnt one, but from my experience, mine would only come on some of the time when I was having problems.
 
 Good luck
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