| Author | Message | ||
     Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 503 Registered: 04-2003 |
Found this while doing so surfing and searching. http://www.winchtest.com/ | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Senior Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 287 Registered: 01-2003 |
Didn't seem like they proved anything wrong with the winch itself. Otherwise they would have stated that in the report. (It was paid by MileMarker.) It will be interesting to see the video. So far the only conclusion I can draw is that plasma may be better than wire rope. -Reed | ||
| Joey (Joey4420) Senior Member Username: Joey4420 Post Number: 504 Registered: 04-2003 |
Pretty much what I got out of it, but I ordered the free video so I could see what they offer. I like the Idea of Hydraulic, but I guess that is just what I am used to using.... | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 284 Registered: 07-2003 |
I've got that DVD. It's cool to watch, and you learn a little bit. But, it kindda favors the Mile Marker products. So, I take it with a grain of salt. | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Senior Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 438 Registered: 10-2003 |
Warn's are fine (been using them for a few decades, myself). Thats just advertising. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 469 Registered: 02-2002 |
of course the test favors mile marker: Registrant: Milemarker, Inc. 725 Kalama River Rd. Kalama, Wa 98625 US Registrar: DOTSTER Domain Name: WINCHTEST.COM Created on: 04-OCT-00 Expires on: 04-OCT-05 Last Updated on: 07-AUG-03 Ho Chung | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Senior Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 292 Registered: 01-2003 |
At least we know that Warn can break cables. I wonder if Milemarker will now claim "We break our cables faster!" | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 288 Registered: 07-2003 |
I don't want to break a cable. | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 534 Registered: 11-2002 |
make sure you go down and hit the arrow and read all 23 pages then you will see that the warns are way over rated . those where tests done by a independent lab. the site is owned by MileMarker Lewis, if you have used warns for decades you would know thay are pieces of shit! I bought my first warn in 1981 and watched it smoke over and over. i also have seen dozens of other warns fail. they may be the end all for people in rocks but in mud where the pulls are long and heavy they suck ! MM | ||
| Tyler kinghorn (Flippedrover) New Member Username: Flippedrover Post Number: 21 Registered: 12-2003 |
Interesting read. I've used my XD9000i to pull an 8000lb ambulance out of the mud. I used a snatch block on the ambulance all that happened to the winch was it over heated after 5 min and the cable got pinched. I have since started using a synthetic rope. | ||
| Erik Olson (Jon) Senior Member Username: Jon Post Number: 527 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yeah, those electric winches suck until you start making your own. LOFL. MileMarker sure changed their marketing tune once their electric line hit the shelves. e | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 535 Registered: 11-2002 |
well if you consider that the milemarker electrics will pull as rated for the rated duty cycle I say they are bringing honest ratings to electrics for once. Warns problem is they never tell you the whole story, that being that it will pull 9000lbs but only for 10 to 12 feet on the first wrap and only for a very short period of sustained load. then the winch needs to have very long cooling periods to pull anywhere even close to its rating. yes the Milemarker hydro has the short coming of a very expensive and complicated install in comparison to any electric.but as in many other things ...YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!!! | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1280 Registered: 02-2002 |
They also fail to mention that winching a mile with the milemarker will take you approximately 1 year. But what does speed count? | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 537 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dean on my scout I have a boosted saginaw pump and in low range it is very fast. in high range it is almost to fast to hand wind it. volume is what gets speed ,pressure gets more pull. I went with more of both  Thom | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1281 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yeah I'm gonna get the PTO pump one day, but right now I can live with the snails-pace. Fast-forward on a video and it does look like a regular winch though | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1284 Registered: 02-2002 |
thom - do you have any additional cooling for that pump? Or a large reservoir? | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2366 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, knock on wood.....I haven't had a problem with my Warn 12K. Heavy heavy mud, steep uphill pulls, and various wierd off-angle pulls with snatch blocks; no problems. I did switch out the cable with Yarn from Master Pull; 3/8" x 125' rated at 23K. | ||
| Paul Grant (Paul_in_ct) New Member Username: Paul_in_ct Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
"You get what you pay for." I own a MileMarker 12000E electric winch and I planned to stay out of this conversation until I read the above comment. My personal, first hand experience with the MileMarker electric winch is that it is nothing more than a cheap piece of Chinese crap. The first time I went to use the winch, to retrieve a Federal Express van that was stuck on a patch of wet leaves in my 1/4 mile long steep driveway, it failed to respool. I returned the unit and MileMarker repaired it. When I installed the returned unit I went to release the clutch so that I could spool the cable through the fairlead and the handle came off in my hand. Call tags were issued and it's going back to MileMarker today. I bought the winch in September and since than it has spent more time with UPS and MileMarker than on my Range Rover! They say they are sending me a brand new one this time. We'll see. All I can say is I'm thankful that I was never in a position where I really needed this POS for self recovery because this MileMarker IS NOT DEPENDABLE!!!!!!!! I advise anyone considering a winch to stay clear of these POS cheap winches. As Tom stated in his post, "you get what you pay for." Maybe their hydraulics are indestructable but the same cannot be said of their electric units. | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 291 Registered: 07-2003 |
I have a 9000e. When I opened the box I thought it was a joke. The whole thing kindda wobbled in my hands. After I tightened it up, it seems a little more solid. I have used it several times. It's slooooow. But, speed really does not matter to me. I did have a moment when the winch would not spool back in. But, after I turned off my stereo, amp, power inverter, and CB it worked fine. I think my battery may be getting weak. Time for a duel set-up. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1285 Registered: 02-2002 |
The hydraulic I got didn't work at first. The solenoid valves were sticking. But once I freed them, the winch has never failed me since, despite being used under water and frozen. The power steering fluid continuously flows through the thing even when its not in use, keeping it relatively warm. This is perhaps the only good thing about running it off of the PS pump (apart, of course, from the lightning high speed! ) | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 285 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Dean, Do u have ACE on your truck? I'm running my MM off a ACE pump, with the stock resevior. I added a cooler, just a transmission type cooler, for additional capacity. I don't have any issues with line speed, when in high, it's just as fast as my old Warn... | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1286 Registered: 02-2002 |
Right but you only have 2K pull on high don't you? In low its 6x slower! I'm running off the PS pump right now. I don't have ACE so potentially I could go that route. I heard its about 2x speed. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 286 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'm just talking about line speed in high...I don't pull in high. As for in low, it a little slower than a 9.5k Warn. After I got mine installed, we did a pull 'race'. D2 vs Jeep, they were about the same, we stalled the Warn, couldn't stall the MM... Line speed all comes from gpm... | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1287 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well my PS system pulls well, its just very very slow. What's the gps rating on that pump? Its rated at 1500 psi right? | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 287 Registered: 02-2003 |
Depends on rpm...I had the pump tested before the install and I think it's max was 1800psi at 6500 rpm. The MM can handle up to 1800psi, at least that's what tech support at MM said. As for gpm, I don't remember, but I'll look for the test results... | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1288 Registered: 02-2002 |
6500 RPM is the engine speed or the pully speed? (coz the red-line is 5K!) Thanks for looking - I'll keep an eye open here. Dean | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 541 Registered: 11-2002 |
Dean nope no cooler needed, I have a load holding valve and long lines going to the winch. the funny thing is that even during the hardest pulls the fluid stays cooler when winching then when the truck is driving down the road. high rpm heats the fluid up alot because it is pushing most of the fluid thru thr bypass valve in the pump. Thom |
