| Author | Message | ||
     Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 254 Registered: 02-2002 |
There is a kit for sale at discount rovers. I'm assume this covers all bushings on a disco? My disco is about to hit 145k soon and I plan to check and change out bushings where needed. Would it be wise just to purchase the kit - Or should I just replace bushings as they need to be? | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Senior Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 432 Registered: 10-2003 |
if your going to poly ones, swap them all out at the same time. Otherwise the poly one will carry the most load and might cause stress related cracks on the body. | ||
| Will Tillery (Will) Senior Member Username: Will Post Number: 259 Registered: 11-2002 |
Also talk with them about the different types of polybushing kits available. I ended up with the stiff ones and boy did it change things.l | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 258 Registered: 02-2002 |
Great, thanks guys. Will, was the change a positive one, or what? And I'm guessing to check for bad bushings, they would look squashed, cracked, etc? Any other signs to look out for? | ||
| Will Tillery (Will) Senior Member Username: Will Post Number: 261 Registered: 11-2002 |
I like the stiffness but the ride is completely different than my stock 94 d1 with stock bushings. If you are looking for more of a sport feel it is great. I do have to say Lewis is right on by saying all or nothing. I originally replaced mine due to some play in the radius arms and panhard rod causing some noise and vibe in the front end. (all play and noises were multiplied when I added my 2 inch spring lift and bilstein shocks. Now I hear other noises...I guess thats why I am so, so, so very pleased my sound system is good to mask some of the noises my baby makes. | ||
| Kristopher March (Apexdisco) Senior Member Username: Apexdisco Post Number: 259 Registered: 02-2002 |
I agree, the sound system is futile if it doesn't work to mask other noises. Ok, now on to more questions: I plan to install a 2" lift this spring. Probably rovertym springs and bilsteins. Should I be waiting till then to replace? Or does it make a difference? | ||
| Will Tillery (Will) Senior Member Username: Will Post Number: 262 Registered: 11-2002 |
I would do it all at once...and I highly recommend the Rovertym hd springs..A lot of effort has been put into those springs and the line they carry now is what I consider to be the best available. I think if you talk with Steve he may recommend the Ranchos but I personally like the bilstein ride. I put a 2inch lift and Ranchos on an old Rangie I had before and it was definitely a nice ride but it just seemed a bit more "soft". It all depends on what you are looking for in the ride though. I like the stiff ride of my truck...most everyone we install shocks and springs on now we do the same setup as mine. Call Steve at 804.639.4180 he will "feel you out" and definitely help you make the right decision. | ||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 209 Registered: 05-2003 |
Kris - I had most of the bushing on my 149K '90 RR replaced with the blue polys. Almost night and day improvement. I don't think the kit has any bushings for the leveling unit, though. So those are still original. | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 107 Registered: 06-2003 |
Bushings, I used factory VR replacments. Poly from what most say and my research, has harsh and unforgiving flex, thus transmitting more stress to other components. My main reason for staying with VR was the ride characteristics, so I wanted to get back to new-softer ride, which so far, I am very pleased with my decision. Keep in mind that when people tell you the swap to Poly was dramatic, well, it should be dramatic compared to their old bushings. Another tid-bit to chew on. | ||
| Shaun Power (Shaunp) Member Username: Shaunp Post Number: 233 Registered: 05-2003 |
I agree with Bruce, I would stick with original bushes. I have found that polys chop out and you damage stuff more often. Shocks snap all the time with polys particulary Rancho's. I would never use Rancho's in a Disco or Rangie, most blokes I know here in OZ just snap them. Konis or Bilstiens are the go I reckon, they seem more durable. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 181 Registered: 02-2003 |
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| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2002 |
Bruce, What you say about poly being unforgiving is true of most poly kits. I ordered the blue poly kit from AB last month and I can say that it is easily just as soft as the stock rubber. If not maybe even softer. I have only replaced the rear arms and the panhard rod as I ran out of time before a trip I left on but even after that it feels MUCh better. My rear end was so squirmy that I HAD to do something before the trip with 5-people and ski gear so thats why I started at the back. I'll finish the front in a couple weeks when I have access to a press to get the old ones out. Man were the big ones in the rear arm a PITA. As for how my blue Poly compare to new OEM. I may never know. But I Chose them becaused of the ease of installation, the resistance to oil degredation up front, and I was curious as to how they would do. Good Luck Todd | ||
| Adrian Strata (Adrians) Member Username: Adrians Post Number: 45 Registered: 02-2003 |
I will be installing Scorpion Racing poly bushes on my 98 Disco in a few weeks. They are as soft as the stock rubber, only they will last forever.....well at least longer than the Disco  I'll post again when I'm done. Adrian | ||
| Lewis Jones (Cutter) Senior Member Username: Cutter Post Number: 454 Registered: 10-2003 |
the poly bushings can come in any hardness from spongy to rock hard. You might have to contact the manufacture to find out the hardness of thiers and compare. Some company's like Daystar offer different hardness for an application. I don't know if they do for Rovers (nothing on thier site) Call and ask if they will make you some to your liking. they did for the arms on my homemade suspended rock buggy. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 185 Registered: 02-2003 |
FWIW the Scorpion Racing bushings "are said to be" the same ones as the Polybush Company's | ||
| Hendrik Behrmann (Hendrik) New Member Username: Hendrik Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2003 |
Todd hit the point. You shouldn�t compare worn OEM rubbers with new Polys. The Rubbers aren�t that bad, they are cheap and stand 80000miles (depends). Only drawback IMHO is fitment - you need a hydraulik press to do it comfortably. I�ve made bad experience with Polys. Not concerning the transmission of forces thing. But the Polys caused wear and rust in the eyes/bores of the axle links. Very nice. Something no one could ever explain to me is how a Polybush can work with the suspension in the Panhard-rod�s chassis-side-end. In case you�re interested, I posted a pic of a removed Iron-Man bush (with 40.000miles behind) in the RangeRover section some months ago. The chassis-mouted arm cut badly into the bush. | ||
| Jason McCombs (Jasonmc) Member Username: Jasonmc Post Number: 129 Registered: 06-2003 |
Bruce mentioned a few posts up that he uses "factory VR replacements" who makes those? what does the VR stand for? where do you purchase them? | ||
| Adrian Strata (Adrians) Member Username: Adrians Post Number: 46 Registered: 02-2003 |
Polybush the company makes the "same as stock firmness" bushes exclusivly for "Scorpion Racing" and no one else. Adrian | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 109 Registered: 06-2003 |
Sorry bout that, VR = Vulcanized Rubber, in other words, stock bushings. And I agree, it's almost equal work to extract the stock bushings than to insert the new ones. David Z let me borrow his masive c-clamp kit and I was sore for about 3 days after replacing my bushings. It took alot or torque to pop the old-ones out, just about tore my vice from the workshop bench. | ||
| David Zymowski (Davidz) Member Username: Davidz Post Number: 64 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey Bruce! almost ripped the vise off the bench!! changing the bushings, thats no lie. it does take a fair amount of pressure to get em moving. lots of good reasons to go either route poly/oem, but one major advantage to the poly bushings is their resistance to oil. which i think is important. face it these trucks leak a lil of everything. and any extra protection is worth the investment, IMHO. I've run blue polyurethane bushings for almost a year now. i like em. no complaints. |
