| Author | Message | ||
     Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2002 |
My new o3 (2000 miles) is in service already with a "Service Engine Soon" light on. OBD2 says miss fires on 5 and 8 and various miss fires. The dealer replaced the engine wiring harness (said there was a wire missing from the harness), it did not fix the proplem. Tech from Rover is coming to the dealer tomorrow to check it out because the dealer (Land Rover Farmington Hills) cant figure it out. My question is A)anyone else run into this problem and B)If it turns out to be a "Major" engine problem do I pitch a major fit and try to get them to buy it back. This is the third time back (dealer is roughly 200 miles away), first the home link system was not in the vehicle upon delivery and then a weld from around the windshield was missing and it leaked water onto my lap whenever it rained. | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 138 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hmmm, I have always thought that there are good Rovers and bad Rovers, and you would know from the start. Sounds like you got a valid reason to push for a buyback or exchange. I dont know if they do this but you may want to get an attorney involved and start throwing around the word "lemon." | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Senior Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 396 Registered: 01-2003 |
Bryan, while I really sympathize, your car doesn't qualify as a lemon yet. It has to be 3 times back with the SAME problem in 1 year. You've had 3 different issues. Your dealer may be sympathetic and try to help in some way, but it won't be a "lemon" and be bought back officially from Land Rover. | ||
| peter nova (Peter) Member Username: Peter Post Number: 67 Registered: 07-2003 |
Man I tought the new discos were better built than that, to me they are all pieces of shit. Doesn´t matter who makes them Ford or Bmw or Jaguar or Land Rover. | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2002 |
Alyssa, While I realize it's not covered under the lemon law (I sold cars for 10 years), it suprises me that I would be having these type of production issues with a new car. A missed weld, missing standard options, a wiring harness missing a wire and a mystery engine illness remind me of the old days at GM when it was the kiss of death to purchase a car built on a Friday or prior to a long weekend. I am by no means blaming LR Farmington Hills (an excellent service dept and staff) but was wondering more than anything if this is a unique problem. | ||
| Alyssa Brown (Alyssa) Senior Member Username: Alyssa Post Number: 397 Registered: 01-2003 |
While I don't find that these mistakes are common, you do have to remember that these vehicles are still largely hand-built. That means you have a huge potential for human error. Unless you go to a honda, I don't know what new vehicle really is problem free. We just bought a new BMW, and the list of major issues with it so far has been ridiculously long! And it's a much more expensive vehicle. Mercedes is the same way, too. I truly feel that Land Rover's quality has been steadily improving. You may have gotten the one bad apple out of the bunch. | ||
| Rommel (R0sport) New Member Username: R0sport Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2003 |
My 03 Discovery just went through a 20 day stay at the dealership to get it's engine replaced. My oil pump failed as warned in a NHTSA bulletin. I also was getting water leaked to my headliner at both corners of my windshield. The engine swap went well and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays that way. The dealership fixed one side of the water leak but I'll soon be planning another trip back as the other side is still leaking. I sympathize with you on your problems and hope everything is resolved. I very much want to enjoy my Disco but these problems get very annoying! | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 114 Registered: 03-2002 |
Rommel, is your windshield leak due to missing welds? According to my salesperson, this is/was pretty common on the 03's. | ||
| Nick A. (Nick) Member Username: Nick Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
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| Mike Deerfield (Mdeerfield) New Member Username: Mdeerfield Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
Now that you mention it - I just purchased an 03 Rover myself and I remeber the first time I pulled out of the car wash hearing water sloshing around, and thinking to myself "what is that". I haven't noticed any leaks however, but next time it's at the dealer (LR Grand Rapids, also close to 200 miles away) I'll have them look for the missing welds. BTW Brian where are you? You must be close to me in Gaylord, MI. | ||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2002 |
My '03 Disco just went in for water leaking at the left A pillar. I also have water stains on the headliner in that area. Is everyone getting new headliners? | ||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 673 Registered: 04-2001 |
Most states have time in for service as a lemon law too. CALIFORNIA LEMON LAW California Lemon Law Text QUALIFICATION: 4 repair attempts or 30 calendar days out of service or 2 repair attempts for defect likely to cause death or serious bodily injury within shorter of 18 months or 18,000 miles, or “reasonable” number of attempts during entire express warranty period. Ron | ||
| Thomas B. McGee (Mcgeetb) New Member Username: Mcgeetb Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2004 |
Push for a buy-back. I am friendly with a mech at a LR dealer in Massachusetts. They have had to buy back 14 '03s b/c of catastrophic failures with engines etc. Your story sounds exactly like his stories. First it stays in the shop for 20+ days then they call in someone from LR n.America, then when he can't figure it out they fly someone in from the UK, then they buy it back. Get it out of the way now. Do you want to run an engine that's been misfiring even if they did change the harness out? Maybe if you have a 200K mile warranty. My buddy says from his perspective the 03s are worthless and have an electrical routing that makes you think the "Lord of Darkness" is still alive. | ||
| John Hamblin (Jhmover) New Member Username: Jhmover Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
My 01 had the same problem. Turned out the coil pack was going bad. | ||
| David Stephens (David_stephens) New Member Username: David_stephens Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2003 |
I'd go for a new one also. The dealer will balk, but the factory rep / zone rep should give. Sounds like a friday afternooner . . . | ||
| Rene Marin (Rene_m) New Member Username: Rene_m Post Number: 12 Registered: 01-2004 |
Wow, I thought i had it bad with my 94... I figured first run would have more problems but nothing like this.. mine has been a work horse since day 1 and i love it..She is just a bit tired these days.. | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2002 |
Mike-I live in Midland. If it is something major, like what is descirbed above, I may push for a buy back but will wait till I hear from the service dept today. It just rubs me the wrong way to be driving a $40K vehicle that after 2000 miles has a problem no one can figure out. Alyssia-were there many buy backs on 03 because of engine failures? | ||
| Rommel (R0sport) New Member Username: R0sport Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
Man, hearing all this stuff is scary. Hopefully my new engine holds up and they fix my windshield leak fairly quickly the next time I bring it in. Regarding the missing welds...where am I suppose to look to see if they're missing? | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 116 Registered: 03-2002 |
If it leaks at the windshield, the weld(s) are missing, let the dealer figure out which one. From what I understand, it involves removing the seal. This is not an isolated problem. Rover of Farmington Hills had sent several out to be welded. | ||
| Bryan Crosby (Bcroz) Member Username: Bcroz Post Number: 117 Registered: 03-2002 |
I talked to the service tech tonight, he said that they reflashed the computer. I am skeptical that this will work. From what I understand the computer on the car is blank when attached to the engine then the software flashed into the memory. What would cause a software glitch after 2000 miles? To me, flashing the memory without finding the cause is futile. Anyway, the dealer is going to test it cold tomorrow morning and see if the problem returns. | ||
| Eric B. (Ebbnyc) New Member Username: Ebbnyc Post Number: 29 Registered: 05-2003 |
My dealer said it was top of door seal. Identical headliner leak as above posts on '03. After 2 trips to dealer he had sunroofs checked, windshield resealed, then he resealed the driver door & checked it out by running water on it for 3 hrs. We shall see... | ||
| Peter Jenson (Pjenson) New Member Username: Pjenson Post Number: 1 Registered: 01-2004 |
Greets: I just bought an '03 loaner with about 6K miles. I am not having any noticeable problems after putting on about 600 miles. Is is there a site that has a list of the Disco problems? (not sure if that question is clear) Anyone have any recommendations on Brush Guard / Light Combos? |
