| Author | Message | ||
     Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 5 Registered: 12-2003 |
I was checking out the AirForce 1 intake for the Disco 1. Do any of you know anything about these,and if you can actually gain some power from them,and if they will screw anything up on your truck? Here is the link to check them out if you haven't ever seen them :http://www.roveraccessories.com/airforceone.htm | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2379 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://www.discoweb.org/thewindow/index.htm | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Senior Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 314 Registered: 10-2002 |
I done thing that they are telling the truth, if you install such an item, you will hear the sexy throaty growl of the intake, there is your 15 hp, I threw a version on my truck for a few tankfulls, and well, 10+% gail in mpg is false as near as i can tell! If you really want one, I will sell you mine for 50.00, and as time goes by it will pay for it's self HAHAHA, But does sound like you have a 30 hp gain gaurenteed!!! Peter. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 18 Registered: 11-2003 |
Pete, You have mail | ||
| Tony Zuniga (Tony23007) Member Username: Tony23007 Post Number: 245 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hey Austin, just buy the Cone shape K&N filter for $30 - $60 bucks and try it out, the stainless tube is only for looks and the K&N filter should bolt on right to the Mass Air Controler. Save your $325.00 for other things!!!! | ||
| Ed Petrush (Exp) Member Username: Exp Post Number: 90 Registered: 08-2002 |
buy the K&N filter that fits in the airbox for $50 and get the same effect.... spend the other $300 on other toys. | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 271 Registered: 08-2003 |
Tip - for round intake buy prefilter from K&N too. It will save you lots of pain later on, as reoiling K&N is harder than washing foam prefilter  And no - regular drop-in K&N wont gain you as much as round one | ||
| John Hamblin (Jhmover) New Member Username: Jhmover Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2003 |
Just leave it stock, you probably won't notice any difference with that or the K & N except your wallet will be lighter. If the K & N did improve anything it probably would only be at 5,000 RPM anyway. Your engine is only going to flow so many CFM regardless of what air cleaner you have. I'd bet the stock one flows more CFM than the engine could ever suck in in stock form. | ||
| ron morgan (Rpm2429) New Member Username: Rpm2429 Post Number: 19 Registered: 08-2003 |
I agree, I took a 3/8 drill bit and swiss cheesed my air box (yes, before the filter) and got slightly more performance and better sound, my wife says it is all in my head, though. | ||
| Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 6 Registered: 12-2003 |
Thanks a lot for your input! What would I do w/o this site?!?! I may just get a cone filter just for the sound. | ||
| Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 7 Registered: 12-2003 |
Hey andy, How do you like your supercharger? Where could I order one? [email protected] | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Senior Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 304 Registered: 01-2003 |
As far as cheap power enhancements go, improving the sound is almost as good as adding stickers. It just doesn't look as cool. | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 272 Registered: 08-2003 |
John - have you tried K&N filters (both drop-ins and cones) to say that? I am sorry to be nitpicking, but its just odd claim, given that its quite opposite to what most people who got FIPK will tell. And no - its not flows in more CFM than engine can suck | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2403 Registered: 10-2001 |
the cone k/n is a bad idea too. sucking in hot air from the motor and much more likely to take a big gulp of water during water crossings, etc. and for what? an extra 3 hp? stick with a good filter in your airbox and change it out when it gets dirty. what's $15 every 15-20k miles? | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 273 Registered: 08-2003 |
Garett, actually hot air doesnt make much difference. If i remember correctly there was study for that with one of cold intake air kits. Posted on one of Ford owners forum, and bods found out there is 1hp loss per about 15F difference of underhood temperature. Or something like that. So basically you still gaining things. Plus if you upgrade exhaust system - you gainng more, as flow increases (cone filter alone gives about 15-20hp on dyno tests, if memory serves me right. Meaning real gain is about 5-10). Water crossing thing is however pretty darn problematic, thats for sure. For us, mountain folks its less likely, so i am not very familiar with it. And - I am not arguing to defend them, just wandering, where you guys getting all those negative facts from I mean there are pretty valid bad issues - like oil getting into MAFs, after not reoiling K&Ns properly. | ||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2404 Registered: 10-2001 |
my negative facts come from owning one and later understanding what little they do. and possible damage to your MAF as you stated is another culprit. i could understand this more if we were all running Subaru STi's, but were not. we are driving heavy trucks with small V-8's. when you are putting out only 180 hp in a truck that weights over 5K lbs, 5 hp won't be noticable. like you said if you add up a free flow exhaust, a rechipped ECU, etc. then you might 'feel' a difference. it's all about the flare!! | ||
| Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 8 Registered: 12-2003 |
I will be putting on a Borla cat-back, with a superchip and filter...From what i've heard, Borla is a good system for the Rovers. Any complaints? | ||
| Ed Mah (Emah) New Member Username: Emah Post Number: 18 Registered: 12-2003 |
Yeah, they are loud as hell. So crack up the tunes. I know and have heard of at least 6 diff. rover owners that bought it, installed it and then got rid of it because it was unbearable. Depends on what you like. Ed | ||
| Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 10 Registered: 12-2003 |
Ed, Do you know if they got an increase in power? Noise is not an issue if there is a power gain or MPG gain. Does anyone know where I could get one cheaper than $500? Austin | ||
| andrew chan (Owned) New Member Username: Owned Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
I currently am running an Airforce 1 intake as well as a Flowmaster exhaust with dual tips... the AF1 intake is loud, a very loud hissing sound.. not like a traditional intake sound... you definetly can hear a difference when you put your foot on the pedal... but as for power, not much of a noticable change if any... for austin, borla makes a really great catback system.,.. just a hefty price... i think it runs for 900+ install which runs for about 100 hour... my flows were custom and i only paid 350 including labor/parts.. cept the guy did say that he wouldnt do one again since it took him well over 3 hours to do all the custom piping! | ||
| Lee R. Byrd (Mobile) Member Username: Mobile Post Number: 60 Registered: 07-2003 |
Roverman, AB has 10% off sales a lot of times. They also send out coupons. These will help with the borla | ||
| Dave Smith (Javelinadave) Member Username: Javelinadave Post Number: 66 Registered: 07-2002 |
The water thing is a big issue. On a dealer sponsored trip last week we crossed water at three different points. 19 of the 20 Rovers came home on their own power. The 20th had an "Airforce-one" type intake. We towed him 22+ miles back to civilization. I wouldn't do put any open airintake filter on any offroad vehicle after this outing. | ||
| Austin Everett (Roverman) New Member Username: Roverman Post Number: 11 Registered: 12-2003 |
I dont think having an awesome sound is worth screwing my engine up from sucking water in. Thanks. I can get a Borla from SG (Safari Gard) for $499. Do you know how hard it is to put one in your self? I would be using a hydraulic lift, and some professional help. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1242 Registered: 09-2002 |
I have never had cones, but never noticed ANY power gains or mileage improvements on any of 5 of my trucks that I had K&N filters on. After I noticed the dust AFTER the K&N in my Disco, after only a few hundred miles on dirt roads, off it went, along with the others. | ||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 246 Registered: 04-2003 |
I haven't been here in a while, but this is just a ridiculous thread. First of all, in your discos you will see BARELY any gains in hp/tourque. No more than 5-8 horses with a correct installation. And guess what? If you do put in the K&N cone filter and don't use a proper heat shield you will LOSE performance. As far as a drop in K&N panel filter you will get extremely small gains if any at all. These gains are not justified for the prices you are talking about. I will probably do a CAI for my BMW but my straight six is a much more tuneable engine than the ancient dinosaur 4.0 eight cylinder found in rovers. |
