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     Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2003 |
Just wanted to let everyone know that Costco is doing a 3 week rebate on a set of 4 BFG/Bridgestone/MIchelin tires. http://www.costco.com/frameset.asp?trg=tires%2Ftires%2Easp&catid=3960&log=&log= I just ordered a set of 235/85/16 BFG AT's for $475 installed. One caveat, as most of us know shops will not install these tires on a Disco due to speed rating. Costco will actually not install any size tire which is not a factory size. So I ordered tires for my 1992 Dodge Ram D250 4x2. You could also easily order them for your Ford F250 : ) So when they come in my story is that the truck isn't currently running but I brought the rims with me. We'll see how that works, otherwise $10 per tire mounting and disposal fee should be refunded and I'll take it to my local guy. | ||
| Gordon Turner (Gordo) Member Username: Gordo Post Number: 52 Registered: 07-2003 |
Thats funny Andy, I just bought BFG MTs 255/85/16 for my Rangie and the shop said that they could not mount the tires to my truck either. I ended up bringing the rims down and all was well. Good luck. Gordo | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 985 Registered: 08-2002 |
This is absolutely not true. it is only the shops that are clueless whether they will install or not. Take it to any 4x4 shop or Big O and you will not have a problem. You get what you pay for a costco-- cheap tires, cheap clueless service. I'd rather pay just a bit more and get all the bells and whistles from Big O or 4x4 parts wholesalers. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 9 Registered: 11-2003 |
Well we don't have Big O around here in the East coast. And I definately wouldn't call the BFG AT's cheap tires. Hell that might cause a riot on this board. Has less to due with being clueless as it does CYA. The big chains are more concerned with getting sued than smaller places. Not that Big O isn't huge, I don't know how they get around it. Just another result of the American sue happy philosophy which screws decent people over causing higher costs, insurance and in ways you don't see until you go to do something like put on different tires. By the way what are "all the bells and whistles" when it comes to tires? I would consider it a good balance job/ warranty and rotation. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 10 Registered: 11-2003 |
By the way. I'm in no way defending Costco's policies, I think they are total crap. I spent a good 20 minutes trying to talk my through the red tape. They gave me quotes for tires in the stock size and I kept telling the guy those aren't what I want. But I understand their reasons for the policy. I just wish you could sign a disclaimer to not sue due to any accident which may occur due to improper size or rating of tire, and take responsibility for your own choices. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1066 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL, you're giving a tire shop hundreds of dollars and you have to lie & inconvenience yourself to get your damn product. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 11 Registered: 11-2003 |
Yeah that is truly funny. I was telling a guy at work today how hard I had to work to spend $500 last night, just doesn't seem right does it? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1234 Registered: 09-2002 |
come to think of it, will they install stock-size BFG ATs? It isn't a hell of an off-road tire, but in town - nothing beats it. I'm getting sick of listening to XPCs' whine. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 986 Registered: 08-2002 |
I don't understand the reasons for these policies at all. If they wish to compete in the tire market, they should not care. There is no way that a liability issue would exist if you were the one "asking" for the tire. If they were the one recommending the tire there might be some liability issues there. I have never had this issue at any store that I buy from. But then again, if they told me they would not sell the tire to me, then its simple... leave and buy somewhere else. Tell them that and ask to talk to a manager if you are set on getting a "deal". Yes on the bells and whistles. Big O offers this as do other places. Look into it. Big O GAVE me a repair, replacement (up to certain mileage and reason), balance, rotation for the life of the tire on BFG AT and would do the same for BFG MT. Sometimes the inconvenience and lies are not worth it, just go to a worthy shop. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1235 Registered: 09-2002 |
Brian, assume they make $20 on a tire. How many tires they have to sell to cover a $1M lawsuit from some idiot who flipped his Explorer because he asked, say, for P-rated tire because it was $20 cheaper? I understand them. BTW, Big O screwed me up twice in the past. Discount Tire - never. | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1067 Registered: 04-2003 |
Just bought my 31st & 32nd tires from Big O. I've only done 4 free replacements, but it was completely hassle free (have 2 free replacements on the Disco right now). And I didn't have to beg them to take my money...LOFL I avoided Discount Tire because I didn't feel like paying for valve stems, mounting, and balancing. What the fuck am I gonna do with a tire without a valve stem, mounting, and balancing? Make a fucking tire swing for the yard? | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) New Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 38 Registered: 08-2003 |
Andy, Thanks so much for your post! I had decided I wanted 5 BF Goodrich A/T KOs, and Sears wanted to charge for $1,135 for the tires and the install. I called Costco and verified that they'll put the tires on my Disco. Out the door it's going to be $750 (That includes the cost of joining Costco since I'm not a member). I'm headed over there tomorrow night for the tires. Thanks again. JRS | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1472 Registered: 02-2003 |
blue i got lip at pep boys about my tire size one time. they insisted i tell them what vehicle i was placing the tire on. i refused to tell them. time before i purchased they got shitty with me so this time it was to be a cash and carry. i waleked up and told them what i wanted and it would be cash and carry. lots of wining and bitching and i eventually told them i was building a retaining wall and i was using the tires for that. i think the guy wanted to punch me as bad as i wanted to punch him. rd | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1236 Registered: 09-2002 |
ROFL Blue, that's part of why I don't go to Discount Tire anymore, either. However, I never had to rebalance a tire after them, and they replaced one busted BFG AT without any questions. In stark contrast, EVERY time I've had tire mounted and/or balanced at Sears, it had to go back. PepBoys gladly put 4 Futuras on my steel rims, and they decorated them with something like 4 inch long valve stems. I am amazed that the tires are nearly bald, but the valve stems are still there! | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 12 Registered: 11-2003 |
Justin,Damn you're lucky. Glad I could help out.Hey why don't you throw a little donation at Disco web. After all I wouldn't have posted my find and you would've spent a boatload more if this great forum wasn't here, just a thought. They didn't have mine in stock so I had to order over the net for delivery to the local store. Actually last night I had some free time and hit Costco, Bj's, Pep Boys and Sears (they are all on the same road within 1/2 mile of each other) and Sears had some rotten prices comparatively speaking. Although they say they have a price match on tires plus 10% of the difference. I'd rather go with the place that's not screwing you to begin with. And Bri I agree with you but fact is I'd have a pretty good lawsuit still if I told them to put on crappy tires below speed rating and it caused an accident. The logic would be that the dealer as a professional should know better and act responsibly when dealing with an uniformed lay person. I mean how many 18 year olds come into a place knowing nothing about tires telling the store what they want regardless of speed/load rating. I agree with darwinism but if it puts companies out of business and decreases competition then screw that. I'm all for liability waivers. Shop says that's not what's supposed to go on that, its not safe. I say I don't care, I'll sign off on it. I get my tires, they can't be held responsible. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 987 Registered: 08-2002 |
Peter: Well first off they make a hell of a lot more that $20 per tire I betcha. Second of all, there is no liability at all since you are buying the tire and they are not recommending it. That is my point. They just "think" there is a liability issue and are overly cautious at the expense of losing business. Stupid. Anyone can bring in a set of rims and tell them they are putting them on any made up vehicle and walk home and put it on their Neon. There is no liability matter in this case. None. And a costco lawyer would be able to make it stand in court, no problemo! I don't think it is that great of a deal to have to deal with Costco BS and stop dealing with the dude down at Big O whose bro is a LR tech. Definitely not worth it to me. But hey if someone wants some 235/85R16 Trxus MTs, maybe I could do a double deal. And Justin $750=$150*5 for like tire is not a deal, hope their monsters. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 988 Registered: 08-2002 |
No way Andy the costco lawyers would eat your shorts. Another urban legend that has carried its way into some (lame) businesses. BTW the only reason there are these stupid waivers and such and businesses put out of operation due to lawsuits is because some lame ass mother fucker believes it is their fault when it was caused by their own actions. Fuck costco. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2003 |
Prob is that the Costco lawyers would have to eat my shorts. And if I dumped some cash into getting good lawyers, Costco would be using a lot of their retainer to defend against it. And law is not as cut and dry as it seems. A jury could easily be swayed to agree that the installer should not have mounted those tires knowing what they were going on. Hell if kids play on your property and you don't kick them off then you are liable if one of them falls and cuts himself. Basically you have given tacit approval to them being them by not kicking them out, establishing liability. Silly stupid and backwards but it happens all the time here in the States. Other countries like England are a lot better, but as of recently I think they are actually becoming more "American" in their thinking about lawsuits. Its a shame too, its better over there when it comes to frivolous claims. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 990 Registered: 08-2002 |
More urban myths. A lawsuit would only exist if the parent of said child thought that it was your fault not theirs for letting their child tresspass and get injured. It only happens sometimes in the states, not all the time, but the media only makes a big deal about it when it happens. They make no deal whatsoever when a person walks in with these lame ass claims, gets their shorts eaten and then walks with their tail between their cheeks. Dont believe everything you hear. I'm outa this discussion 'til we're back on tires. | ||
| Andy Rigo (Ninjzx998) New Member Username: Ninjzx998 Post Number: 19 Registered: 11-2003 |
Not to keep it going but these really aren't Urban Myths. They are case studies taught in law classes which I've taken. I'm not a lawyer but the liabilities are real. Real problem is that too many of those cases actually make it to court. Can't wait to get my new Dodge Ram D250 tires mounted and installed on the Disco! | ||
| Mark Albrecht (Markalbrecht) Member Username: Markalbrecht Post Number: 124 Registered: 11-2002 |
Brian: remember Tommy Lee -- he was sued by the parents of a child who drowned in his pool even though the child was supervised, kind of, by the parents' nanny who left the child in the pool when she left the house. Granted Tommy Lee won after trial, but the case was filed and made it to trial. Costco may have valid fears. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 992 Registered: 08-2002 |
Its all BS. As I said media hype. They may make it to court, but the media will only track the bigs ones and the ones that are really "out there", it is what grabs your attention. You made my point for me, Tommy won. They may be case studies, but in reality, the people doing these things have no grounds for their arguments and also... the waivers will not hold up in court anyway. All they need to do is say that you were placing them on a D250, no waiver needed. The liabilities are absolutely not real, you can buy what you want tire wise and do whatever you please, all liability is on you. Just as you have done by telling them you have a 250. Justin, what size tires did you pay $750 for? | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 505 Registered: 04-2003 |
Brian's right, as long as you understand that YOU are responsible for what happens. The problems start when someone who's a passenger in your car gets hurt or killed in the hypothetical accident, and they sue the company for allowing you to buy the tires. As long as you drive alone and don't change your mind if you do get hurt, there's nothing for them to worry about.  Andy PS: There are almost as many silly lawsuits as there are media stories about them. | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2003 |
Brian, BFG A/T KO 265/75 16 JRS | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 994 Registered: 08-2002 |
Ah, I new that they were going to be bigger. The passenger still made the choice to get in the fucking car eh? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 564 Registered: 02-2003 |
Guess why I like my hole in the wall shop run by a couple of guys......get the tire I want fitted on to my disco, without any of the big boy BS, and at prices that the big boys want... | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 509 Registered: 04-2003 |
Brian: the passenger did make the decision to get in the car, but the passenger might not be aware that the driver chose to use tires not recommended by the vender and/or installer. The point of all of this is that no amount of personal responsibility awareness makes one lawsuit-proof. The standard is often low (negligence), and people are often scared enough of being sued to simply settle rather than risk a large judgment. Being scared into settlements encourages these nuisance lawsuits. There, now, back on topic, I'm a big fan, like Chris Browne, of the small shop...plus they usually think it's cool to work on a Rover that's not a mallcrawler... |
