| Author | Message | ||
     Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 954 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm installing a ladder (genuine) that I got from a friend. He had it in his garage but didn't have the hardware. Is there anything special that I need to waterproof the holes or for proper installation? Or will just some bolts, nuts, etc. do the trick? | ||
| Joey Stompedissel (Huskyboy) New Member Username: Huskyboy Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2003 |
If I recall correctly it's quite a labour intensive affair, with special captive nuts inside the door.Check the archives, there might be a thread about it. Greetz, Joey | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Senior Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2002 |
Through several of the parts venders, you can purchase the rivnut set along with the rubber pads, then make your own rivnut tool. Not so hard, and it will go fine! There are a few posts in the archives. Peter. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 593 Registered: 02-2003 |
Use silicone to seal the holes against water | ||
| Rick Clarke (Tugcap) Member Username: Tugcap Post Number: 41 Registered: 02-2002 |
Be careful when you drill, there was a post recently about losing rear door latch after drilling into the mechanism. | ||
| Victor (Vabiro) Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 160 Registered: 10-2003 |
Blake, You may find the article in the Tech section helpful: http://www.discoweb.org/ladder/index.htm The article says that they supply rivnuts. Maybe you could find them at the dealer, or a hardware store. Cheers Victor | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 930 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blake, get the ladder mounting kit from the dealer. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 955 Registered: 02-2002 |
Thanks. I was looking for the ladder install in the tech section and must have overlooked it. I'll see about getting the kit. Its a good think I asked or I would have just tried bolting it up, lol. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 946 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/disco2ladder/ These instructions will work too. The procedures are identical. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 956 Registered: 02-2002 |
Can't believe I didn't look there. I've been on a computer modding binge and am now back to the rover. Thanks Craig | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 947 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blake, put down the watercooling blocks and Arctic Silver and focus on that ladder.  | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 200 Registered: 05-2003 |
Related question...Is there much of a difference between the LR genuine ladder or the ones available from other vendors (besides the price)? | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 952 Registered: 02-2002 |
Night and day. One's fake and the other's legit. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 203 Registered: 05-2003 |
Craig, Could you give me some specifics? For example is the tubing gauge thinner, are the welds bad, is the fitment good or sloppy, etc. I understand that to many here non-genuine parts are anathema and considered a rip-off on the design, but putting that aside, I'm asking from a functionality/durability perspective. Genuine ladder $166 knockoff ladder $90. See dap-inc.com under roofracks. I can't tell the difference from the pictures, and before spending an additional $76 I'd like to know if the difference is worth it. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 957 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yeah Arctic silver 5 does amazing things. I wish the rover was as easy as my cpu to pull more power from. I got an AMD 1700+ overclocked from 1.4 to 2.4 gigs running on air. Pretty sweet stuff. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 953 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jaime, if you don't get it, just go buy the DAP ladder. It'll match the NWP roof rack you are surely considering. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 954 Registered: 02-2002 |
Blake- Air? PAH!  Water cooling is the way. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 169 Registered: 08-2003 |
Craig - what a load of b0ll0cks! Jaime - some pattern stuff may be in lighter guage steel or inferior construction - but as a whole based on what I have seen mostly it's on par with the genuine kit. As far as sticking with "genuine" parts nonsense - guess most folks should be taking of their OME springs and shocks and of course getting rid of the Optima's - none of which are genuine. FWIW I don't think the difference is worth it. Jeff | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 204 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jeff, Thanks for the reasoned response, and Craig your condescension is as amusing as it is ignorant of my intentions with respect to what roof rack I may eventually get. I'm sure you realize that manufacturers such as Land Rover and others often contract out a substantial number of their parts to other manufacturers and then label them 'genuine' and charge a large premium for the privilege. If all you can offer in response to a question is a dig, STFU, I don't need the elitist attitude. | ||
| Wes (Wes) Member Username: Wes Post Number: 236 Registered: 02-2002 |
'OME springs and shocks and of course getting rid of the Optima's - none of which are genuine.' Ome springs and shocks and optima batteries are not Land Rover genuine, but they are genuine within their own brand. Big difference there... | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 955 Registered: 02-2002 |
I think OME springs and Optima batteries are improvements over LR Genuine parts. I hardly believe the same can be said for the DAP shit ladder. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 958 Registered: 02-2002 |
Got the lr kit from LR Birmingham. 27 bucks. LOL for like 4 rivnuts 4 screws and some pads. That is funny, but I got it anyways. Question though. I have one of these pop rivet guns from home depot (not this exact one but same idea) http://www.right-tool.com/steelplusd2162.html Will this be used. I see that they have made a "special tool" so they don't have to buy a kit for $XX.XX. Or am I getting things mixed up. | ||
| Blake Luse (Muddyrover) Senior Member Username: Muddyrover Post Number: 959 Registered: 02-2002 |
Obviously there is a difference in rivnut and rivet. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 956 Registered: 02-2002 |
There is indeed a difference between rivnut and rivet. Similarly there is a difference between the tools used to install them. However, I modified my pop-rivet gun (Similar to yours, Blake) to compress my rivnuts when I installed my ladder. It took two of us to generate enough force to compress the rivnut, but it was secure and didn't wiggle in the hole I drilled at all. I don't recommend this method of installation at all, but I have to admit it got the job done. | ||
| Ronnie McKinney (Ronnie) Member Username: Ronnie Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2002 |
Blake, I've got a rivnut tool that fits the ladder rivnuts. You're more than welcome to use it... | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 958 Registered: 02-2002 |
There you go. Get the job done right | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 960 Registered: 02-2002 |
After looking at the DAP ladder, I think you're a fool to even consider that piece of shit. The pictures on the DAP site even demonstrate why you should use a Genuine Land Rover ladder over that piece of shit they're selling below it.  Notice how the left side of the Genuine ladder mimics the angle of the window on the 5th door of the Discovery in the above photo. Now take a look at the ladder in the pic below. This is a very ugly ladder. Whomever designed the ladder obviously had no eye for aesthetics. The ladder has an awkward bend on the left side that doesn't even match the lines of the door, let alone the window on the door.  Now again, compare the DAP ladder to the Genuine ladder shown here on a D2: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/miller24k/DSC08642.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/pismo2003/pismo0066.jpg or on a couple of D1s here: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr3/DSC06373.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/miller2/DSC04571.jpg I'm sure that ladder will get you onto the roof of your truck. I'm sure it's strong enough. Don't try and drag me into some asinine diatribe about materials and metal thickness. You may call it a load of "b0ll0cks" or "condescension" but I would rather spend the extra money and have my truck look good than save $76 and have my truck look like a hunk of shit. | ||
| Ronnie McKinney (Ronnie) Member Username: Ronnie Post Number: 93 Registered: 08-2002 |
Plus I've read others post in the past that the non-genuine powdercoating is inferior and rusts quickly. It also uses sheet metal screws instead of rivnuts. Rivnuts are a pain in the ass sometimes, but they are a great design. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 205 Registered: 05-2003 |
You know Craig, I don't get you. You still had to stick the "you'd be a fool to consider that piece of shit" line. Why you can't give a response to a simple question without throwing in some digs is beyond me. On the contrary, I feel that one is NOT a fool when one takes the time to make a considered decision. And that is what I am trying to do. And I never tried to get you into any kind of argument, all I asked was for some specifics bsides "night and day". In any case, looks are a matter of taste, but I do appreciate your taking the time to select those pictures to make your point. Although I missed it because the DAP pics are taken from different angles, so I could not see how one ladder followed the line of the door, and the other did not. When I looked at the yellow D1 from the EE pic and compared it to the DAP knockoff ladder picture at a similar angle, I still could not tell the difference. Maybe I need to get the pics to a similar size to see the difference. Its too bad you had to be condescending about it, but I honestly appreciate your taking the time to make your point | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 206 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ronnie, Thanks, that's a good point to consider. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 965 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jaime- It appears you are easily insulted and offended. Have I offended you? If so, it would be best if you didn't discuss this matter further with me. Furthermore your own poor taste is the reason you are offended by my comments. I can't help it if you find that cheap-shit ugly-ass ladder to be acceptable for use on your truck. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 966 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oops, did that offend you too? | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 207 Registered: 05-2003 |
Craig, What you quoted above had to do with another thread and was not directed at you. Anyway, that has nothing to do with this thread. If I knew you guys I could handle any amount of banter that included insults amongst friends. Because I know where its coming from. But I don't know you, I don't know any positive sides to your character, so all I have is someone who comes across in a condescending way to me, and again, you continue with he poor taste comment above. You still try to establish your superiority. Insecurity perhaps? Is your sense of self determined by your impeccable taste in ladders and all things Land Rover? I don't think so, but it comes accross that way. Wait.. I do know a positive side to your character, you did help me in my question by posting the pics, But you make it so hard to remember that because of your attitude. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 967 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jaime, You've got a couple hundred posts here. Surely you've noticed the personalities on this site. I'm not being condescending when I say that ladder is a piece of junk. It's simply the truth. What I'm wondering is if you've noticed that NOBODY so far has jumped into this thread supporting that ladder. We have "cheap bastards" on this board who advocate the use of installing factory front springs on the rear of the truck to obtain a suspension lift... These same types actually ripped off a Safety Devices roof rack design and are actually selling the knock-off rack. Yet for all the self-proclaimed "cheap bastards" on this board, not one person has piped up and said "I think that ladder is cool." Tell you what Jaime, order that ladder from DAP. I think Discoweb could use even a tech article detailing the step by step installation of that ladder. Post pics when you're done. Take pictures from any angle. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 174 Registered: 08-2003 |
Craig you should of just posted the pictures and then said the dap ladder looked like crap - you'd of sounded less like a wad then Jaime - I would shop around for the ladder - you may even be able to get a "genuine" one which will please Craig | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 191 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think that ladder is cool. And Jaime nailed Craig on this one: "Is your sense of self determined by your impeccable taste in ladders and all things Land Rover?" Craig, it's not that you give poor advice, but the "anyone who thinks differently than me is an asshole and obviously stupid" attitude is pretty childish. Well said Jaime. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 969 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jeff, perhaps you're right. Shawn, have we met? I told Jamil Abassy this in another thread: "By all means, do what you want with your own rig." I honestly mean this. I don't have to live with your truck. Take your pick: DAP ladder or Genuine ladder... Either way I'll go back to drinking my favorite beer:  | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1181 Registered: 04-2003 |
As far as sticking with "genuine" parts nonsense - guess most folks should be taking of their OME springs and shocks and of course getting rid of the Optima's - none of which are genuine. as Wes & Craig commented, "aftermarket" (in this case) manufacturers such as OME and Optima are not producing some cheap knock-off of an already existing Land Rover product. You are not buying OME's cheap version of a Land Rover stock length & rate spring. You are not buying Optima's cheap version of the "stock" Land Rover battery. You are buying an improvement (as perceived by the buyer for the buyer's purposes). World of difference. If you have to ask, you must drink Miller Light.  | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 208 Registered: 05-2003 |
Craig, I'd be glad to buy you one if we ever meet...beer that is. | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 175 Registered: 08-2003 |
Miller Lite is that Beer ? I'll stick with my Theakstons. http://www.theakstons.co.uk/beer/old_peculier.html | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1182 Registered: 04-2003 |
that Theakstons looks good. Where can you get that in the States? At first I thought their home page was going to link me to the pirate bbs.... "Temptation is, peculier" "Give yourself to the dark side" LOL | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 209 Registered: 05-2003 |
Of all places, I found Theakstons at a supermarket in NYC on the upper west side on Columbus ave. This was back in the late 80's though. A memorable brew. I remember it as being a damn good beer, heavy and satisfying. The kind of beer that could easily substitue for a meal at lunch. | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1381 Registered: 02-2002 |
Especially when you're working from home | ||
| Jeff Mclaird (Granitedisco) Member Username: Granitedisco Post Number: 176 Registered: 08-2003 |
Alas - I haven't been able to find it here. I have mum bring over care packages when she comes - either Theakstons or Bishops Finger.... got to remember to invite mum over again soon | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 210 Registered: 05-2003 |
Unfortunately not today..lunch was spent blowing 8 inches of snow off my driveway. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1533 Registered: 02-2003 |
i owned the Atlantic british knock off ladder . it promptly rusted but did the job as a ladder. if i were to buy again, based on the quality powdercoat job on the LR Adventure rack, i would go genuine from a reliable source. if it rusted i'd bitch about it too. the way the ladder follows the contour of the door is a nice thing though, at least the AB ladder did that. rd | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 212 Registered: 05-2003 |
Rob, Thanks for the input. I've researched into powdercoating, and to have a bumper powdercoated would run about $100, so I'm sure that a ladder would cost around $50 to powdercoat. Sounds like in this case genuine is the way to go. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 818 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jaime, I wouldn't even worry about the Genuine vs. non-Genuine thing on your ladder. If you're going to buy your ladder from whom I predict, it won't even matter. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 213 Registered: 05-2003 |
John, I don't get what you mean (reliable source perhaps?). I looked at DAP and AB, but haven't decided. I'd appreciate an e-mail if you don't want to get specific on the board. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 820 Registered: 03-2003 |
Buy your ladder from a place that sells Land Rover Genuine Parts. Not "Land Rover" parts. Not OEM parts. Not Land Rover Genuine Equivalent parts. Even if the part number is the same, that doesn't mean anything. You can order an STC50134 from a shop and you will likely be sent a Land Rover Equivalent part and not a Land Rover Genuine Part. Most Rover shops do this. Your $160 price is a red flag that the part you were looking at is very likely not a Land Rover Genuine Part. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 214 Registered: 05-2003 |
And I thought $160 was expensive for a ladder! Thanks for the info John. | ||
| Eugene (Eugene) Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jaime, I'll echo John's comment. I recently ordered a part that had the same part number listing as the Land Rover Genuine item. When the package came, I was a bit surprised to learn that it wasn't LR Genuine. While the part I ordered was small, it was good to learn this lesson now than with a more important part (such as brakes). -Eugene | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 216 Registered: 05-2003 |
Hi Eugene, I'll have to specifically ask then. The last items I got from AB were a drag link and a track rod. Drag link was genuine (green oval sticker) but track rod was not. They did tell me however, that track rod was not genuine before they shipped. It looked just like the one on my truck...well it wasn't bent like the one on my truck! | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1184 Registered: 04-2003 |
typical chump ebay auction: FOR SALE! LAND ROVER PARTS! GENUINE PARTS! ALL ORIGINAL PARTS FOR GENUINE LAND ROVER! IT'S A SNAP TO PICK UP ON THESE! | ||
| Eugene (Eugene) Member Username: Eugene Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Jaime, I've learned that with AB, the key is to look at the part number. Genuine parts are suffixed with the letter G. So, STC8217 is a non-genuine part while STC8217G is the Land Rover Genuine item. |
