| Author | Message | ||
     Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 183 Registered: 10-2002 |
WTF was the pilot thinking? http://mywebpages.comcast.net/greentjdude/Notsosmarttow.WMV | ||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Senior Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 643 Registered: 02-2003 |
long live natural selection | ||
| Tyler kinghorn (Flippedrover) New Member Username: Flippedrover Post Number: 22 Registered: 12-2003 |
Haha | ||
| Mike M (Rangeroverhp) Member Username: Rangeroverhp Post Number: 193 Registered: 09-2003 |
What an idiot! | ||
| Musky Rover (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 1176 Registered: 11-2002 |
linky not worky | ||
| Victor (Vabiro) Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 159 Registered: 10-2003 |
That'll be my nomination for the Darwin Awards. | ||
| Robert M. Godshall (Robert_godshall) New Member Username: Robert_godshall Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2003 |
Wow, Darwin would be Proud. This Concludes my Current Statment Bob | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 133 Registered: 03-2003 |
They will pressure you into doing things that may be unsafe, use your good judgment, and remember, 'I would rather be laughed at, than cried for.' � George MacDonald "Mix ignorance with arrogance at low altitude and the results are almost guaranteed to be spectacular." � Bruce Landsberg, Executive Director of the AOPA Air Safety Foundation. We have all done stupid things before, this guy just did it in a Jet Ranger. You have no idea how hard water is until you hit it in an aircraft that has ceased to create lift 10 ft prior. | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Senior Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 307 Registered: 01-2003 |
LOL!!! Ian- "We have all done stupid things before, this guy just did it in a Jet Ranger..." Well said. While sailing on San Francisco Bay, I have often watched the Navy towing what looked like a large barge, (guessing at it being some kind of Sonar array), behind what looked like a Seaking So the concept isn't all that bad. I imagine though that the Navy pilots had some previous training before being allowed to get airborne with a tow line attached. I can only hope that no one was seriously hurt. | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 135 Registered: 03-2003 |
They were probably towing a mine sweeper Reed. I think the helicopter is called the Sea Dragon. Which is a MH-53 with some modifications. Most people know the airframe as the jolly green giant. I parked next to one in Cleveland of all places. I knew they where big but WOW those rotor blades are huge. They also have 3 engines compared to the Jet Rangers 1. http://www.pushback.com/terror/mines/SeaDragonMinesweeper.jpg That'd be a very cool sight to see in anycase. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2429 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hopefully that guy or gal in the Jet Ranger lost their license for a while. They were obvioiusly not trained to make that mission happen. | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 578 Registered: 07-2002 |
Ok, I don't know anything 'bout choppers and planes but wouldn't you need a much longer rope/strap to successfully tow something like a boat? For those of us who don't know much about anything, could you guys clarify what exactly happened (why the helicopter went down)? Sorry for the ignorance... John | ||
| Steve Andrews (Sillybus) Senior Member Username: Sillybus Post Number: 427 Registered: 08-2002 |
You'll have to get Morgan to verify this but if I remember correctly, there was a military publication regarding this.... DOD 74-81172. I remember the reg/document but specifics I am rusty on. Doc title was "Rotary wing aircraft recovery of seaborne vessals"... basically it was about 25,000 words telling all pilots "not to do it". Ok, that was a joke. I can only fly the seat of my pants. | ||
| Reed Cotton (Reedcotton) Senior Member Username: Reedcotton Post Number: 308 Registered: 01-2003 |
Mine sweeper? Makes sense. Yes it was a very large helecopter. I am not sure that more engines would have helped. As Paul put it, "They were obvioiusly not trained to make that mission happen." On the other hand, a larger helicopter just might have had more inertia and reacted more slowly to the forces thrust upon it. -Not a rotary pilot, nor do I play one on TV. | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 748 Registered: 08-2002 |
This is my non-technical seat-of-the-pants explanation....remember when you were a kid John, and you got that first gas powered glow-engine airplane on a tether line that you were supposed to fly in a circle? Remember what happened if you didn't keep that circle parellel to the ground? You caused a controlled nose first landing into the sidewalk and then cried cuz the plane broke? It's sorta like that. (Please don't make me use the remote corded dildo example cuz you didn't understand this one!) | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2430 Registered: 02-2002 |
Joe Pilot in the Helo could have pulled off the recovery. If he would have SLOWLY transitioned to forward flight instead of gunning it like Airwolf; he probably wouldn't have had a problem. Pilot Training: Single Engine IFR Rotary $20K Bell single engine Ranger: $1 mil Your stupidity becoming popular viewing fun on a Rover BBS: PRICELESS | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 137 Registered: 03-2003 |
LOL Paul Nice. Although, who the hell would let someone with a new certificate be PIC in a Jet Ranger? Someone with more money than brains I guess. That always works for doctors in Bonanzas and Barons. | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 579 Registered: 07-2002 |
Randy, thanks for the explanation ... "gas powered glow-engine airplane" ... can't relate 'cause where I grew up the only planes we had to play with were made of paper. Now the dildo one I can relate to...  Thanks again... | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 749 Registered: 08-2002 |
Did ya fly a kite John? Same principal when you are holding the string tight and the wind drives it towards earth and it feels like you pulling the string actually pulled it into the ground.... | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 581 Registered: 07-2002 |
Kite, what's a kite???? Don't answer that... Man, we were so poor..... ah fougetabotit I get your point!! | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 338 Registered: 02-2003 |
What a moron...If the guy lived, he should be have his ticket pulled... What were thay thinkin? He lost it right when he brought the power up...maybe he could recovered with more altitude. Frank | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1143 Registered: 04-2003 |
Oh man, that was beautiful too. I thought he was going to dip his skids on the first go-round. What an asshole. I'm surprised the people in the boat didn't get turned into ground chuck. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 358 Registered: 08-2003 |
"If he would have SLOWLY transitioned to forward flight instead of gunning it like Airwolf;" I totally agree with Paul on this one. I'm no flight expert at all... but any joe blow could tell you he took off/accelerated too fast. Hopefully the retard flying was the owner. That way he can be mad at nobody but himself. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2435 Registered: 02-2002 |
Just remember folks: Nobody and I do mean nobody can fly a helicopter like Stingfellow Hawk and his super secret Airwolf. | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2894 Registered: 02-2002 |
But his brother Singin was close. But with Ernst Borgnine in the back, you'd have to be good, to handle the weight bias..... lol... -L | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2436 Registered: 02-2002 |
Yeah, funny stuff. Stingfellow hauling ass through the desert, getting shot at by cattle thieves; and you have Ernst Borgnine in the back eating a cheeseburger. Now if they only could combine the technology between KITT and AIRWOLF.... | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2895 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well, that's what it was supposed to be, KITT for the air..... Dang, they've got all about Stringfellow Hawke and Santini Air at http://airwolf.tv-series.com/ lol.. -L | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2437 Registered: 02-2002 |
For you Les: http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/1595/image.html This is my favorite: http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/1595/airwolf44.jpg And http://www.geocities.com/area51/vault/1595/airwolf04.jpg "Got a Cheesburger?" | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2896 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sweet..... Now, if only we had Highlander pages thrown in too, we'd have all the closet geeks coming out of the woodwork..... -L | ||
| Randy Maynard (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 752 Registered: 08-2002 |
Did you say Highlander? Now you have my attention! | ||
| Krys_P (Krys_french) New Member Username: Krys_french Post Number: 30 Registered: 04-2003 |
And one thing that catched my attention looking at the video (astonishing BTW) the guy towed the rope using the front left landing "tube". When pulling, the weight of the boat brought an unbalance in the motion of the helicopter (pulling it to the left and making it tilt to the front), this could explain that the helicopter accelerated too much (tilt to the front), and collapsed on the left side. Heavy towing using helicopter are usually done using a winch and tow ropes that are centered (maybe around the center of gravity of the helicopter ?) and that reduces the compensations the pilot has to perform when the weight is not balanced. Krys | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1170 Registered: 04-2003 |
I think the cause of the crash was just the simple fact that the dude flying was an asswipe. | ||
| Don Leichtling (Scruffy) New Member Username: Scruffy Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2004 |
Being a Helicopter CFI , and not being able to see the above video clip; what you describe is a condition called Dynamic Rollover which is caused by the helicopter rotating around something other than it's center of Gravity... Once this starts to happen no amount of cyclic input in the other direction will do anything other than make the rollover happen faster. It is a math/vector thing... The only solution is to reduce power and land the helo and reconnect or disconnect the load. This has happen many time on Tuna boats due to one ty down strap being left attached before liftoff or during hot weather when one of the skids sticks to the "ass-fault" . The accident was probably caused by someone hooking the load to the skid or by the pilot tangling the load line in /on the skid before doing a max proformance takeoff. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 735 Registered: 07-2002 |
That gyro-effect is mean stuff on a helichopter. You have to be careful with it on a taildragger with full power on takeoff. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 736 Registered: 07-2002 |
That reminds me, here is the way it is supposed to be done: http://www.usbusiness.com/helicopter/index346.jpg Now that is some good flying. | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 177 Registered: 03-2003 |
Interesting stuff Don. Too bad you can't see the video. Do you fly commercially or just instruct? There appears to be a good deal of people involved in aviation here on Dweb. | ||
| Ian Kreidich (Ian95rrc) Member Username: Ian95rrc Post Number: 178 Registered: 03-2003 |
Wow Bailey, that is some good flying indeed. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 873 Registered: 05-2003 |
Idiot Air Services Incorporated I wonder how many ribs he broke? |
