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     Steve (Skid) New Member Username: Skid Post Number: 2 Registered: 01-2004 |
I have a 02 Discovery that smokes under heavy acceleration. Two dealerships have told me this is normal operation. Some research has revealed carbon fouling on the valves may be the problem. I'm going to the dealer (while still under warrenty) and would like to be armed with as much information as possible. Please help | ||||
| Brian O'Connor (Hooky) Member Username: Hooky Post Number: 70 Registered: 09-2003 |
Steve, That is the punch line to a classic Rover joke! "Do you smoke?" I think it's odd though in an 02, what is your mileage? Can you notice it as you drive, or how have you been made aware? | ||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1151 Registered: 04-2003 |
I think he has about 25k miles. This is my good buddy Stevie K, aka Skids, aka Special K. Spewing black smoke (enough to leave stains on pavement & wall of garage) is not normal. Some of you D2 boys arm this guy with info so he's not told by the dealer that he needs a valve job or new engine 5 miles after warranty expires. | ||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1276 Registered: 09-2002 |
is '02 GEMS that much different from any other year? Black smoke means it is running rich - a "scope trace" of O2 sensors (say, using obd-2.com gadget) can verify that. It'll also show the potentially dead O2 sensors. I'd also check the fuel pressure. | ||||
| Steve (Skid) New Member Username: Skid Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2004 |
Brian, The miles are around 25k. I see the smoke mainly at night through the headlights of the cars behind me. I called Consumer Affairs of Land Rover, they said they would research the complaint. They responded with no previous problems. As Blue mentioned, I believe the dealerships will continue to avoid me until the warrenty has expired. The truck drives normal, no loss of power or rough idle. If the truck is running rich, will this show up on the shop diagnostics? | ||||
| Kenny Bissett (Jetson) Member Username: Jetson Post Number: 134 Registered: 07-2003 |
Is it possible to get to another dealer? I know that's not a great solution, but it might be worth a try. My engine gave out at 20K miles and was replaced under warranty - leading up to it, I had valve problems accordin to the service guys. I never noticed any black smoke though... Maybe it's an adjustment based on te "running rich" theory. Kenny | ||||
| Brian O'Connor (Hooky) Member Username: Hooky Post Number: 75 Registered: 09-2003 |
Skid, I have to side with Kenny. I'm no engine man - but that ain't right! Your dealer must really stink, which is very unfortunate. I've had great experiences, and while under warranty I feel my Disco was actually cared for like it was their own truck - even when I traveled cross country, but enough of that. Not sure where you are located, but I would expand your "service area" to include other dealers. In AK I had to drive 8 hours one way to get dealer service (the only one in the state) - so anything less than that should seem easy :-) I was hoping you were going to say you bought one with a ridiculous amount of miles on it, or something else - B | ||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 597 Registered: 02-2003 |
I'd do a couple of things...one go to the local emissions station and ask to check the emissions through the rev range and two run some of that BG? BD 44 stuff through thats meant to clean stuff up on the inside.... Also, are you doing short runs, I swear every vehicle I've owned has benefitted from a long high speed run | ||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1153 Registered: 04-2003 |
don't put any aftermarket stuff in that engine only have it serviced/inspected/studied by the dealer and document everything if, when you are out of warranty, the dealer tells you that you need a new engine because you were dumb enough to run it rich or with bad valves or whatever for so long, you can at least show documentation that you were in their shop every 3 months complaining about engine problems and they always told you "Everything just fine, Sir, would you like some bottled water?" | ||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1278 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, it's a bit odd - to ask the board for suggestions, and then to give another advice which contradicts everything said. FWIW, your advice is perfect. Just what he has to do - the original post had no indication whether it was under warranty or not. I'd just add that if emission tester finds it out of spec and documents it, the dealer will have to address the issue. | ||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1158 Registered: 04-2003 |
I suggest Skids post here because I was hoping someone would post similar experience (black smoke) and advice. I just would be sure to not do anything that could void the warranty (like try to do my own internal engine cleaning). Running it through an emissions test and getting screwy results may indeed get the dealer to open it up... | ||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1279 Registered: 09-2002 |
People are throttle-happy here in San Diego - I've seen black smoke (rather, dark-gray) coming from different vehicles during the aggressive take-off. I guess OBD-2 has some tolerance for short-term rich conditions - you could compare your Disco with his. IME, nearly all vehicles stained the garage wall if parked closer than a foot and a half, and left to warm-up for a minute or so. | ||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2440 Registered: 02-2002 |
BULLSHIT Steve, #1 Has your oil level dropped at all? I just went through this BS with LR last year. The Pig started smoking; brown smoke / black smoke / blue smoke. I went back and forth with 2 different SM's and finally the third SM agreed that the Pig had a problem. D2 4.0 blocks have been known to shit the bed in many ways. In fact, there are several of us on this board that has had long blocks warrantied by LR. #2 Go to Dealer and complain. They will document. Have them check the oil, run a diag and document. It might take a few trips back and forth, but keep at them. Email LRNA; then Call LRNA; When they contact you back, be polite and inform them that emitting smoke is not normal. Until they fix it, keep hitting them with it.
BULLSHIT Your D2 is not driving normal and there is a loss of power. For 25K miles, Your D2's performance is deteriorating at a rapid pace. | ||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 599 Registered: 02-2003 |
Would an oil analysis help on this one? | ||||
| Steve (Skid) New Member Username: Skid Post Number: 4 Registered: 01-2004 |
Thanks for the input. I will be heading to the VA area LR dealership next week. I'll let you guys know what they come up with. Hopefully, I will get better results in VA than I did in GA. | ||||
| Brian O'Connor (Hooky) Member Username: Hooky Post Number: 81 Registered: 09-2003 |
Good luck! | ||||
| Leigh Mikolajczyk (Leigh_m) New Member Username: Leigh_m Post Number: 3 Registered: 01-2004 |
I had a good experience at the Alexandria Land Rover dealer and I was visiting from chicago. there phone number 703-370-6565 | ||||
| carl J. Drumgoole (Carl_kps) Member Username: Carl_kps Post Number: 96 Registered: 02-2003 |
You can go to Land Rover Alexandria or Land Rover Rockville. Both very good. (I bought my Rover at Land Rover Alexandria and bought the extended warranty at Rockville because it is closer to were I live. Northern part of DC area I would go to Land Rover Rockville and southern part of DC area I would go to Land Rover Alexandria.) I have been having most of my recent work done at Land Rover Rockville and they have been able to get me in and out very quickly lately. They also replace my transmission for me, (under warranty no questions). They were very good. I also know there is a Land Rover Richmond and a Land Rover in Virginia Beach but have no experiance with them. | ||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1206 Registered: 04-2003 |
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