| Author | Message | ||
     Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 116 Registered: 05-2003 |
I finally got the time to dive into the hard start problem. My initial thoughts were the fuel injectors but after sending them off to have them cleaned and inspected, they came back with a clean bill of health. I'm suspecting now, the issue with the hard start is that the pump is weak. I have two options, British Pacific is selling a generic pump for 179 - and according to them, they've had no problems with them. The other option is to buy a genuine pump from roverconnection for a 100 dollars more. Now, I know that generally genuine products are better for the most part, but in this case - should I really trust a genuine pump that has had loads of problems based on the people from this board? | ||
| Joey Stompedissel (Huskyboy) New Member Username: Huskyboy Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2003 |
If you're not sure, then I'd say have the pump tested before investing in a new one. Worth a few bucks if you can save $$$$$ | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 117 Registered: 05-2003 |
That leads me to another question then, can a pump be rebuilt? Besides the fuel pressure regulator, I can't think of any othe site where there would be pressure loss. I remember reading in a past post that another person also had a leak in the pump. | ||
| Joey Stompedissel (Huskyboy) New Member Username: Huskyboy Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2003 |
My Haynes manual from 2000 says pump and sender both only available as whole unit. What type of car do you have? I can find out through a friend that has the partscatalogue on file. Greetz, Joey | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 118 Registered: 05-2003 |
its a 96 Disco I. By the way, I sent the injectors to RC Fuel Injection in Torrance, CA. The day they recieved the injectors, they put it on tester and contacted me an hour or so later (thanks to UPS tracking). They called back and said that they found nothing wrong and only charged me 10 dollars for the check and new O-rings. Honest and great service, something that's difficult to find nowadays. | ||
| Joey Stompedissel (Huskyboy) New Member Username: Huskyboy Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2003 |
Sure sounds like good service ! I assume you've had your OBD checked out? That could reveal any faults in the fuel system. by the way , you can email e on postbus@jstompedissel.demon.nl , might be quicker | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1280 Registered: 09-2002 |
Porter, check the archives or rangerovers.net for fuel pump. The certain years' Cadillac Sevilles had exactly the same pump, with the only difference being the connector. | ||
| Robert Sublett (Rubisco98) Senior Member Username: Rubisco98 Post Number: 1121 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yeh, do some research, I replaced mine with a pump for a GM vehicle, it even had the same plug. I wish I could remember what model exactly that I purchased, but just do a search here and the rest of the web and you'll find it. I ended up getting it at O'Reilly Auto Parts for around $50-60 if I recall correctly. Perhaps it was a "Carter fuel pump", but I don't remember the numbers. As far as installation, it's not too bad, just hope you don't have a full tank when you pull that thing. Good luck.. Robert | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2002 |
I just replaced mine with generic, Part number is here on Disco Web. I was trying to trouble shoot a starting problem. It turns out it wasn't a pump problem after all, but now I have a spare. Since I replaced the pump with generic, my truck has been hard to start, as in it takes a while to fire (it has always cranked right up). I'm also wondering if there is a pressure difference in the pump. I'm going to swap my original back out, and see if it makes a difference. Anybody else seen anything like this after going with the Napa pump? (The slow start issue may also be related to my wiring fix on my ignitor problem, which is what I finally tracked down the problem to...) | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 98 Registered: 10-2002 |
PS- The generic pump was $89.00 at Napa. | ||
| Randall Smith (Mr_smith) Member Username: Mr_smith Post Number: 190 Registered: 04-2003 |
Here's another example of an electrical part that you don't want to experiment with. I am an industrial engineer, not an electrical engineer. I don't really understand motors. But i do know from experience that there could be 50 different motors that all look the same on the outside. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2002 |
In installed the Carter P74006 in my '96 earlier this year. The electrical pump is one component of the whole assembly you get when you purchase it from LR. You can easily swap out the only worn out piece (the pump itself) and same some money by not buying replacements for the rest of the setup that still works fine. The hoses and wiring plug were identical. Fixed the problem on my rig and cost me ~$80. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 600 Registered: 02-2003 |
http://www.discoweb.org/parts.htm | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 583 Registered: 07-2002 |
Porter, I swapped out the fuel pump on my 88 RR with a Caddy pump from Napa. It worked fine for a few years and then started to fail. I replaced it with a used LR pump and works fine. The only problem with the Caddy pump is that the pos and neg connectors are reversed, so all you have to do is switch the connectors (one is bigger than the other). If I were you I would go with the original. Just my opinion. John C. PS: I have pics of the Caddy pump if you want to see them. | ||
| Tbow (Tbow) Member Username: Tbow Post Number: 175 Registered: 12-2002 |
I don't understand is why people are so afraid of using non-dealer or non-OEM parts. Keep this in mind, LR like most manufactures does not make every single componet that goes on the veicle. Suppliers provide parts to vehicle manufactures AND the aftermarket industry. Save yourself some money and get the generic part it will work just fine. It could be the same supplier. With regards to whether you need a fuel pump, before you start changing parts needlessly, you need to do some simple diagnostics i.e. fuel pressure test. You should be getting 2.7 bar or about 39 psi. If you got that then your fuel pump is ok. | ||
| Joe M. (Little_joe) Senior Member Username: Little_joe Post Number: 297 Registered: 11-2002 |
Python/Venom makes a direct swap fuel pump (rebuilt - just the pump part, not the whole assembly). Locally owned auto parts store sells them for ~$75 + core. joe | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1522 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah, copnsider the caddilac pump as a spare i am using it but i know my days are numbered. my friends RR used it and it only lasted 6 months. rd | ||
| David Zymowski (Davidz) Member Username: Davidz Post Number: 70 Registered: 04-2003 |
does anyone know if the pump for the 3.9 will work in the 4.0? the part list doesnt show it. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1285 Registered: 09-2002 |
Randall and Enoch, check rangerovers.net - there's a write-up on which generic pumps work and which don't, and what is the cause of the difference. | ||
| David Zymowski (Davidz) Member Username: Davidz Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 |
thanks for posting that site Peter, thats what i was looking for. | ||
| John Cinquegrana (Johnc) Senior Member Username: Johnc Post Number: 584 Registered: 07-2002 |
Tbow, I have no problem using non-dealer or non-oem parts. I've never purchased a part for any of my 3 Rovers from a dealer. I am well aware that most of the parts are not even manufactured by LR but I can tell you that some after market parts are better than others. For example, I know that the Genuine Dist Cap (the one AB sells) fits tighter on the dizzy than the non-genuine one. I too keep the Caddy pump as a spare.... Just my experience. | ||
| Enoch Snyder (Esnyder) Member Username: Esnyder Post Number: 102 Registered: 10-2002 |
Peter, thanks, that's a great resource. I'm going to experiment by putting the LR pump back in and see if it cures the starting issue. If it does, I'll know for sure it what it is. Be fine for a spare, though. |
