| Author | Message | ||
     Sam Hayes (Mulesnx) New Member Username: Mulesnx Post Number: 17 Registered: 09-2003 |
I need some sliders, and I need some good advice. What is the best kind? Where should I buy for a D1? | ||
| trevor griffiths (Trevorgriffiths) Member Username: Trevorgriffiths Post Number: 206 Registered: 11-2002 |
I have RTE on my Disco, 2 of my tech's Rovers and probably 20 customer's Rovers. I haven't seen the Dreadnought units in person, but I like their design. (I think Expedition Exchange doesn't ship them). My .02c | ||
| Will Tillery (Will) Senior Member Username: Will Post Number: 311 Registered: 11-2002 |
Rovertym. They are the best on the market. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 351 Registered: 02-2003 |
RTE, can't beat 'em | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 999 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sorry Frank, RTEs can be beat. They're called Dreadnoughts.  | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 22 Registered: 01-2004 |
That remains to be seen. Plus, the fact that unless you live near EE or feel like driving there then you aren't getting them since they won't ship them. Slick rock fab looks like the same thing as the Dreadnoughts also. Not sure about either of them since I have never seen a set of them. Your best bet would be to get RTE sliders without the extra side rails. However, if you are in CA and want some "Dreadnoughts" go and get them and then pound them against some rocks and let the rest of us know how they hold up. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 353 Registered: 02-2003 |
really...I'd like to see that... | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 99 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe, but for anyone who isn't willing to drive to CA to get them, RTE are the way to go. P.S. The design weakness in the RTE can be corrected. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 1001 Registered: 02-2002 |
Eric, it's been done already. Bashing Dreadnoughts is boring. They hold up just fine, that's why you never hear about or see pics of Dreadnoughts bent up into the door. | ||
| Davis Reed (Davis_reed) Member Username: Davis_reed Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2003 |
David, Whats the weakness in the RTE that can be corrected? | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 355 Registered: 02-2003 |
haven't bent mine...but i've scraped the powercoat off...i think i left most of it in Colorado, or maybe Moab...i think there's some in Paragon too... | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 23 Registered: 01-2004 |
Craig, I haven't seen any PICS of an RTE slider without the nerf wings bent up into a door either. And there are many, many, many more people with them than the Dreadnoughts. The more folks that have them the more they are likely to get the crap beat out of them by someone who will actually use them hard. I have never seen a set of the "Dreadnoughts" though so who knows. I'm not going to take someones word on it though. I'd have to see them in action before I'm believer. | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 100 Registered: 12-2002 |
Okay, I will try to explain this clearly, BUT it is alot easier in person and if you are familiar with the RTE design. The main complaint I read against RTEs (especially with the nerf bar option), is that they get will get 'levered' or rotated upward if they catch a tall rock. This is a problem and leads to them being bent into the door. The problem is the way the sliders mount to the sill. It uses two seperate componets to form a U shaped mount to attach to the sill. This design lacks rotational resistance. The Dreadnoughts use a one piece U mount design, for much improved rotational resistance. To "fix" the RTEs, one needs to weld a thin plate of steel along the bottom of the RTEs, joining the two seperate pieces. This creates the desired one piece design. One catch, this plate must be removed if one should want to remove the sliders. I have done this change on mine, and it saved my but on Lower Helldorado, but I digress... | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 1002 Registered: 02-2002 |
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/dreadnought/dsc00183.jpg | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 311 Registered: 05-2003 |
Craig you beat me to it... look at the white Disco I the RTE sliders are bent up into the doors.. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 612 Registered: 11-2002 |
That brings back bad memories...  "Blow me" | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 358 Registered: 02-2003 |
I've beat the shit out of mine and haven't had a problem...now if the EE boys wanto send me a set to test with... | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 317 Registered: 07-2003 |
I have seen a number of the RTE sliders. I have also seen a number of the sliders get the crap wacked out of them, drug across rocks, and used as a jack point. But, I have never seen one do that. Just kindda makes you wonder what really happened, or if they were installed correctly. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 845 Registered: 03-2003 |
"P.S. The design weakness in the RTE can be corrected.... The problem is the way the sliders mount to the sill. It uses two seperate componets to form a U shaped mount to attach to the sill. This design lacks rotational resistance. The Dreadnoughts use a one piece U mount design, for much improved rotational resistance. To "fix" the RTEs, one needs to weld a thin plate of steel along the bottom of the RTEs, joining the two seperate pieces. This creates the desired one piece design." LOL. In other words, modify the RTE into a copycat Dreadnought. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 301 Registered: 05-2003 |
John, I think RTE already has done that. http://www.rovertym.com/ourprod/images/products/1.jpg | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 846 Registered: 03-2003 |
Jamil, I think you're a bit lost. Take a look at this page: http://www.rovertym.com/drew/slider.html I wrote that page. Drew didn't write it. John didn't write it. Steve didn't write it. My name has mysteriously disappeared from that page, but I wrote it. I know how to install RTE sliders. And they don't install the same way as Dreadnoughts. Not even close. The RTE fascia and inboard L-channel are two separate pieces. That pic you showed above doesn't mean anything. | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 24 Registered: 01-2004 |
Craig, those have the nerf wings. Also, it doesn't look like the slider was levered by the wing in that picture. It looks more like he landed on some thing so hard that the sill crushed in. In that picture the slider isn't bent so I'm wondering if the "Dreadnoughts" wouldn't have had the same sill crushing effect as the RTE slider did. I have seen where the sill gets levered and bends due to the wings, causing the doors not to open. That picture though is different. Hell, if those were SG, AB, and all those other 8 rivinut sliders they would have ripped right up the side of the door before falling off. Like I said, till I see a pair in action, I'm not convinced that they are any better then RTEs without the wings. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 847 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, you remind me of the OJ and Marion Barry jurors. | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 25 Registered: 01-2004 |
Really how so? | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 302 Registered: 05-2003 |
John, I see what you are saying with that tech article which I have read before. But I think they have a newer improved version that they are now showing on their site in that pic...it surely looks like a U to me. My sliders arrived at the shop today...going Tuesday so I will be able to see if this is in fact true. | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 26 Registered: 01-2004 |
No, John is right, they are still two pieces. I think that they are still doing an additional mounting point as well but, you would have to ask for it when talking to him but, I'm not sure. | ||
| Davis Reed (Davis_reed) Member Username: Davis_reed Post Number: 49 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thanks David, Is it worth making a homemade version of rock sliders, or would it be a worthy investment to buy a set considering they are protecting expensive parts of the truck? | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 59 Registered: 03-2003 |
I like my slickrock sliders. Built very strong and they go around the entire sill and bolt thru it for more protection(like Rovertym) and they stick out away from the doors to offer a bit of protection (not as much as the Rovertym with the nerf and more than regular sliders, right in between) which I personally like. And the price is good as well! But between the two I think it comes down to what you think looks the best. | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 60 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh yeah, they are one piece like the later Rovertym and the Dreads. | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 848 Registered: 03-2003 |
Eric, if the gloves don't fit, ya gots to acquit. Perry, the Slickrock sliders are not "like" the Dreadnoughts. They ARE the Dreadnoughts. They are unabashed copies of the Dreadnoughts. | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2004 |
I guess John. But, I would have sent them both down the river. Or worse. I still wonder if the sliders would have done the same thing though. No real way to find out unless someone wants to go and hit all the same rocks he did. Either way I'm sure they are both good choices and they both look better thought out and better built than most everything else being sold today. But, if the guy doesn't live near you or want to drive out to your shop then he probably isn't going to get a set in which case the RTEs would be the way to go. Unless he wants to get the Slick Rock Fab sliders. | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 225 Registered: 05-2003 |
John, Stop teasing us east coasters with your sliders. I've got a case of slider envy! | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 318 Registered: 07-2003 |
"Is it worth making a homemade version of rock sliders" They seem alot easier to make than they really are. I have made two sets. You only have about 100-150.00 in metal. Add another 30-40 in cutting wheels, sawzall blades, and sanding disk. Then powder coating or paint, sandblasting, nuts, bolts, and time... You are better off to buy a set. | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 87 Registered: 11-2003 |
John, Given that you wrote the instructions -- thank you. They were very helpful when I mounted my pair a couple of months back. I take the point about the rotation, which is precisely why I didn't go for the nerf bar. All the same, I would submit that provided you bash them more or less underneath, without the moment caused by bashing just on the outermost edge / a nerf bar, they are pretty damn good. And certainly address most people's needs of (a) moderately improved vehicle protection and (b) jacking points. Something tells me the guy in the photo must have landed pretty hard on the rock, rather than just coming down on it slowly. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 546 Registered: 10-2002 |
coke can theory. just as true now. | ||
| Sheldon Charron (Rifleman) On Probation Username: Rifleman Post Number: 76 Registered: 01-2004 |
I'm not interested in the wars brewing, but I am interested in sliders. I like the clean lines of the EE sliders, and I could see how the nerf bars could add leverage. Only problem is I can't buy the EE sliders or I would. That means I'm forced to buy the RTE's without the nerfs (pictures??) or try and find the slickrocks that were mentioned here. I don't really care if they are copied from EE's, as long as they work and I can buy them. I'd be more than willing to support EE if I could, but I can't. I'm off to see if I can find the slickrocks. If I can't find them or decide they suck, I guess I try the RTEs. What other options do I have? <shrug> | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 868 Registered: 02-2003 |
That's on the RTE heavy duty sliders, which are still two pieces, and can be ordered with or without nerf bars. They are made of thicker steel. The extra mounting points attach to the door frames. See "Rovertym HD sliders install" in the tech section for pictures from when I installed mine. - Axel | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 360 Registered: 02-2003 |
I've bounced my RTE HD sliders off many a rock, had to hi-lift off them, even slid the edge off a rock taking the full weight of the truck on the edge of the slider and have not had any problems...I've really beat the shit out them and have NO COMPLAINTs... Frank | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2002 |
Just an additional comment. Or two. I think both RTEs and Dreadnoughts are very good products. I haven't seen anything about the Slickrocks, so I'm unable to comment. I also think both EE and RTE are very good companies to deal with, having delt with both. When debating the merits of one vs. the other, a more valid comparison would be Dreadnoughts vs. the RTEs WITHOUT the nerf bars. The nerf bars have pros and cons just as any product/design does. Any weakness in the RTE design is multiplied by the nerf bars. I think a better question would be, not which brand, but nerf bars or no nerf bars. EE feels the no nerf bar route is the way to go, as they do not even offer that option. I have the RTEs with the nerf bars. I would not use them (nerf bars) without having the plate welded on the bottom. My personal experience is that the bars have saved my sheet metal on several occasions. Not having the bars would have allowed the vehicle's doors to slam into rock. So for me, nerf bar pros out weigh the cons. For others, the opposite is true. FWIW David | ||
| Eric N (Eric_n) New Member Username: Eric_n Post Number: 28 Registered: 01-2004 |
True getting the RTE HD non-nerf wing sliders is a great choice. You shouldn't feel that you "are stuck" getting them. They are very good sliders. There are many options of sliders that you can get. Alantic British, Safari Guard, Trek, and many, many, more companies sell them. However, most of them are simply put on using rivi-nuts to the outside of your sill. They don't wrap around the sill or anything. They simply attach to the side of it making them pretty weak if you bash them alot. Having said that I have the standard RTE sliders with the nerf wings. I bought the sliders a long time ago before they offered the HD version. I have been very happy with them. I actually like the nerf wing ( not becuase it keeps rocks away ) due to it adds an extra area to help the wife into the truck. Hell, it helps me as well and most importantly when it's coated in mud, snow, or ice the little extra area really helps out. I don't know if you have kids or not but, I have a baby that I need to put into a car seat in the middle of the back seat and putting all your weight onto one foot and slipping off and falling with your ten month old isn't some thing that I want to do. Yes, they can lever the sills and I know they can so I try to avoid sliding across rocks on the nerf and try to get them under the main body of the slider. Depending on the use of your truck whether it's only a trail rig, a double duty trail and daily driver, or just a daily driver is what you should think about. For me having the nerfs are better for my every day use and far out weighs the risk of ruining my sills. The truck can get fixed. Not slipping and possibly running the risk of hurting my little girl while trying to get her in my truck is way more important to me. And the more you lift it the harder it is to get in and out. No matter what sliders you get go to a store and get some grip tape for the top of the slider. It will save your shins and knees trust me. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 802 Registered: 05-2003 |
I agree with Eric. Us girls NEED the nerf to get in and out Don't ever let anyone armorall your nerf, the bruises I received after sliding off of mine still look really ugly. Jamie | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 444 Registered: 10-2002 |
After looking at both the RTE and the Dreadnoughts, I chose the Dreadnoughts due to the wraparound sill design which boxes the sill for better protection. Another factor was the curved design perfectly matching the body curve and the clean look compared to the RTE. I had the AB sliders previously. I do not like the RTE NERF bars design and do not see any advantage to them. My 7 year old and 10 year old daughters have no problem using the Dreadnoughts as steps getting in my truck with 3" lift. With the door open there is plenty of area to step on. I do have plenty of other RTE items currently on my vehicle from front winch bumper to suspension pieces. They are very well built. I prefer the EE sliders and if I lived in another part of the US, I would figure out how to get them anyway. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 370 Registered: 08-2003 |
Jamie, Do you have trouble slipping on your sliders all the time? If so, have you thought about putting some of that grip tape on it? You know, the stuff that looks like sand paper with adhesive on the back. I think if you put a black strip of that on the slider where you step to get in, you wouldn't have to worry about slipping on a rainy day or such. Just a thought, Matt | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 806 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks Matt, No, that was the first and only time I ever had trouble with them. I had the unbright idea of having the carwash detail my truck while I wasn't watching. They used armorall (or a similar product) on my sliders, bumpers and my floormats. It was a royal pita getting it off. It was also embarrasing since I was getting out of my truck all 3 times that I slipped off the sliders. Ouch!! Lesson Learned!! Thanks, Jamie | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 218 Registered: 08-2002 |
I have the Trek Outfitters sliders on my Disco I and love em. They conform to the lines of the truck and serve the purpose of protection well. They protrude slightly from the truck and aid in protecting the bottom of the doors. When the doors are open they offer more than enough room for help getting in and out. The grip tape that was mentioned was installed at the same time as the sliders, and IMO, VERY necessary! 3M makes the product I used and it can be found at any good hardware store. Once it's stuck it really stays stuck, so be careful when installing. Also, heat up the sliders before installing the tape for better adhesion. This can be done simply by leaving them in the sun or with a hair dryer. I also used thin strips of the tape for the rear ladder rungs, again very helpful. Just another viable option in sliders for people to consider. They throughbolt to the sill and don't use rivnuts at all. Good luck, hope this helped someone. | ||
| jay caragay (Jcaragay) Member Username: Jcaragay Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2002 |
Sam- Lots of opinions here on all kinds of sliders. Personally, I have the RTE Sliders with the nerf bars and I think they perfectly fine. I purchased mine after the whole nerf bar tweaking incident and after JBS made modifications to the design to compensate. The RTE Sliders are an excellent product. Quality construction and design all around, I've had no regrets and it certainly seems that 99.7% of the RTE owners here feel the same way. And I'm one that would not go out of my way to have dreadnoughts shipped to me since RTE readily ships their sliders anywhere. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 616 Registered: 11-2002 |
99.7% of the RTE slider owners dont use them. Thats what you need to think about...That gay ass little bar sticking off the side is a serious downfall... "Blow me" | ||
| Sheldon Charron (Rifleman) On Probation Username: Rifleman Post Number: 78 Registered: 01-2004 |
I have never tried to climb rocks like you guys do. Man you guys are insane - and you guys were killing me for suggesting I'd abuse my truck! I have seen some pictures, and that's wicked. Bill Burke from the Unstuck Video is the one who suggested the nerf bar RTEs to me. I wasn't particularly excited about the look, but the idea that they might protect the sides a bit when sliding over on trails and shit seemed like a good idea. I also wanted to be able to jack the truck from anywhere on the sides. Then I saw the EE page on them. Yikes. I'm not sure what it took to do that, but they didn't look like they did much good. I also talked to Steve, who suggested I shouldn't really use them for jacking (correct me if I misunderstood Steve). I might never get to climb rocks like you guys, but I will likely get hung up a time or two, and rock sliders will save a lot of damage and I think will make getting unstuck easier. I want to be able to jack from them. I want the EE's but they don't ship. The Slickrock copies don't seem to be available. Oh well. I'll decide later. The lift and other gear is on it's way from EE. I am almost decided on the RTE bumper, skid plate and Husky 10 winch, so those mods will keep me busy for the next few weeks. The sliders will just have to wait I guess. Kyle. Are you still selling bumpers?? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 620 Registered: 11-2002 |
Landing them on a rock has much more force then jacking on them........ "Blow me" | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 539 Registered: 04-2003 |
Guess that answers Sheldon's other question, too, eh? BTW, on what other site did I rip DWeb? I said on Pirate that people there were more willing to cut apart their trucks than here (generally I think that holds as true), but on no other website have I criticized DWeb. And even that wasn't really a criticism; it was a recognition that the Pirate folks are more willing to hack things apart and go "outside the mainstream" with their mods. Or is that not true? Regardless, I like the EE sliders, but can't get them here in the midwest. Ergo, it's the AB sliders for me. | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 445 Registered: 10-2002 |
Andrew- Your comments about "more willing to hack things apart" and "go outside the mainstream" are oxymoronic IMHO. Your average jeeper will advise you to "bolt some D60's under that rover" when you talk about stronger axles or upgrading diffs. When you talk about more power out of your rover their automatic reaction is "you've got plenty of room for an SBC in there". Hacking off fenders and putting on 37's seems more mainstream than not to me. Maybe using a more thoughtful and subtle approach (yes, and probably more expensive) to upgrading one's LR is "outside the mainstream". My 2 cents- | ||
| Andrew Maier (Newman) Senior Member Username: Newman Post Number: 542 Registered: 04-2003 |
Mainstream is lifting with matched OME's and BFG 35's and using the KVT-suggested fender clearance solution. Out of the mainstream is putting portals, or Dana's, or crawler gears in your truck. Not saying one is better than the other; just that one is more commonly associated with DWeb. That's all. | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 88 Registered: 11-2003 |
Now I am fascinated.... who has put portals on their Disco? Details? Pics? Also did not realise there were two variants of RTE slider (hd versus non hd) -- now I am wondering which I have.... will go check out their website again. what is the difference? | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1396 Registered: 02-2002 |
Portals are AUS$16K, whatever that means. And a speed limit of 40 mph. Imagine having those, with the effective 5" lift, and then removing all your current lift! Imagine how happy your drive shafts would be to return to normal! | ||
| Donald McFarlane (Dsmcf) Member Username: Dsmcf Post Number: 89 Registered: 11-2003 |
Didn't say I wanted them, just curious... Of course, one of these days I may have to take a closer look at a Pinzgauer. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 47 Registered: 06-2003 |
Please, speak for yourself. Although many women might appreciate you speaking up for us as a whole on this matter, I don't. I don't NEED anything to help me get in or out of my rig, even with a substantial lift. Your representation isn't fair and accurate, IMHO. (Jamie, PLEASE don't take this the wrong way, either. Just don't make all women sound so helpless and needy next time, okay?) In any case, although I don't yet have sliders on my disco (I haven't yet decided which style I prefer), my husband fabricated some for his disco. It took him quite awhile to complete, but overall I was quite surprised how well they turned out. They also perform great, as we've had many occasions arise where they've saved the truck from what could otherwise have been some pretty nasty scars. Carry on... | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 446 Registered: 10-2002 |
I guess your definition of "mainstream" is different than mine- Matched OME's and Kyle's D1 fender clearance solution may be mainstream for Dweb, but elsewhere?. BFG 35's? I have not seen that on many rovers, but yes, on many jeeps. Portals-that is definitely not mainstream except on competition rock buggies. Dana's? Nearly every Jeep, Bronco or even the rare Scout I see wheeling has at least D44's and D60's are certainly not rare. Crawler gears? Not so uncommon here in California on toyota's. I know several toy wheelers with Marlin crawler kits. My point is that many of the "answers" you're pointing out are the common ones used on Jeeps, Toys, etc. I'd like to see more creative Rover-specific answers. I would definitely like more torque than my 3.9 makes. Bolting in an SBC is the answer your average wheeler would think of. Why not bore and stroke a 4.6 cross-bolted block? If the answer is a D60 or an SBC, why have a rover? | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 551 Registered: 02-2002 |
greg, it's a jeep thing, we'd not understand. Ho Chung | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 448 Registered: 10-2002 |
I guess- So when are you putting those portals on Ho? | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2002 |
For your viewing pleasure...  | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 552 Registered: 02-2002 |
well greg, i do play the lotto you know. so, yes, i'll have portals very soon. Ho Chung | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 449 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yep- And four-wheel steering to boot-Must be someone from POR... | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 450 Registered: 10-2002 |
LOL- You speak English so you'll never win, Ho. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 621 Registered: 11-2002 |
Whoa now. Thread getting too far off track. You wanna talk about all that other shit and the "Pirates" , start a new thread about it. This one is strictly for bashing sliders... So to speak.. "Blow me" | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 809 Registered: 05-2003 |
helpless?? hmmm... I can't quite imagine anyone driving a rover as helpless however, I find the nerf makes entry and exit easier (and less revealing) when I'm wearing a dress | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 321 Registered: 07-2003 |
I'm 6'3" and still use my sliders as a step | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1557 Registered: 02-2003 |
there is a point to be made about how you are using the slider. i see no issue advising some one who needs standard protection to get the RTE slider. it will work well if you are the type of person who is going to find yourself high centered on mounds of rocks dirt, or maybe slip off a rock and get a little bump, nerf bar or not and because i know where i drive and what i'll be getting my self into. now if you are off in rock heaven bashing away i can see where you NEED the absolute best solution. i've seen the EE dreadlock slider and it was not art as i had expected. true it was the best i had seen , but far far from the prefection i expected. so for me there was no added value in the fit. i would have to pay extra just for the strength. all things considered i'd stick with the RTE slider becasue it would suit me fine. rd | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 48 Registered: 06-2003 |
Believe me, there are plenty of women, and some men, too, that are 'helpless' here in Colorado, even with their almighty rovers. Some wouldn't know a diff lock if it slapped them in the face! Sorry for the thread drift, Kyle | ||
| Brendan Kearns (Howboucha) Member Username: Howboucha Post Number: 220 Registered: 01-2003 |
Howboucha Don! Just thought I would share that I recently owned a Pinzgauer. It was an incredibly impressive machine, but the lack of articulation made for some extremely scary moments. Check out the photo in the banner of www.redbirdsra.com to see one of my scary moments. The lockers saved the day. Oh, and the portle axles were very cool. Brendan | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 104 Registered: 12-2002 |
Well, I guess I must fall into that 0.3% of RTE oweners that "use" them, because the "gay ass little bar" is the only thing that saved my sheet metal on Lower Helldorado, when my rig slammed onto it's left side on one of the V shaped obstacles. No one took a photo of this (unfortunately), but those interested can do a Google search for Lower Helldorado; I found several shots of non Rovers having their sheetmetal rearranged by the same obstacle (sp?). Don't know nerf bars if you don't know how (or when) to use them, IMO. David | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 105 Registered: 12-2002 |
Correction: "Don't knock nerf bars...." It's past my bedtime... David | ||
| Clif Ashley (Cta586) Senior Member Username: Cta586 Post Number: 498 Registered: 04-2002 |
I dont understand how you can argue with the damage done by the nerf bar that has been clearly documented. It is an extremely logical situation, involving a whole lot of leverage. So, I think the "nerf bar knocking" is quite accurate and fair. | ||
| Craig Kobayashi (Koby) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Koby Post Number: 1021 Registered: 02-2002 |
Rob. Come on now. Seriously. First of all, it's Dreadnought. Secondly, do you really expect all of us to take your design critique seriously? Ater all, you do sport a couple of fashion faux pas in your Rangie. http://www.discoweb.org/robdavison/misc/ho020.jpg Don't make me sic the Fab Five on you. | ||
| Jack Quinlan (Jsq) Senior Member Username: Jsq Post Number: 551 Registered: 10-2002 |
there is the whole "sliding sideways" argument for the benefits of the nerf bar. i've experienced it and i know i would have definitely dented a panel had the bar not protruded as far as it does. That said, i knew the "leveraging" theory when I got my sliders and had first hand experience with the dreadnoughts, but I am generaly pretty methodical and gentle and when I do hit, it's not too hard, so I went with RTE specifically because I wanted the nerfs for sideways protection. | ||
| Roger Fastring (Fastring) Member Username: Fastring Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2003 |
One point to consider - for those with the RTE flares, I called RTE and he'd make some with custom dimensions (shorter) for no extra charge. That was before the DNs at EE. I've posponed the project and will call EE as they've been good to work with in the past and are local for me, but still, that sort of supprt (RTE) and free custom work is noteable. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1562 Registered: 02-2003 |
Craig, Pah! Talk to my hand! You've seen my roofrack. Just wait till you see my bumper and eventual sliders. They will set the new standard. my friend it's always been dreadlock to me. | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 106 Registered: 12-2002 |
Clif, Please refer to my earlier post related to the correction of the RTE design weakness. Has anyone seen levered damage from RTE sliders, with nerf bars, that HAD the plates welded to the bottom? Case in point, I went through Lower Helldorado, mucho levering, no damage. Ran into a guy that evening who had RTEs with nerf bars and had done the same trail the day before. He couldn't believe that I had done Lower Helldorado, because he DID have some "levering" damage. Of course, his RTEs had not been "fixed." Which is my point. To have a proper comparison of the pros and cons of nerf bars, other variables need to be elimnated. In this case, it means welding plates to the bottom of the RTE sliders. Or you could weld nerf bars onto EE sliders and compare their perfomance to standard EE sliders. Or we could just go wheeling..... David | ||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 853 Registered: 03-2003 |
"Or you could weld nerf bars onto EE sliders and compare their perfomance to standard EE sliders." Oh, the horror. The horror. | ||
| david summers (Texmoto) Member Username: Texmoto Post Number: 107 Registered: 12-2002 |
John, I just KNEW that you would love that idea! LOL David PS When do you want to do the Maze? | ||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Senior Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 453 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hmmm... "Rob's Garlic Bread Sliders"... Art? Perfection? I admit I prefer the name "Expeditionware" to "Dreadnought" Sliders, Rob. | ||
| Sheldon Charron (Rifleman) On Probation Username: Rifleman Post Number: 84 Registered: 01-2004 |
I see advantages and disadvantages of both depending on what kind of wheeling you do. Take a look at this picture of Kyle's Disco: www.expeditionexchange.com/kyle/DSC006376.jpg There appears to be damage to the bottoms of the doors. Did this happen from this particular rock? Dunno. Would this have happened (on this rock) with the nerf integrated RTE sliders? Dunno. Would the rock have cammed the nerf bar up and bent the sill and damaged the doors in a different way? Dunno. How about with the improved RTE slider with Nerf? Dunno. Anyone care to guess? | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 883 Registered: 02-2003 |
And that picture tells us absolutely nothing about neither RTE or Dreadnought sliders, because the slider in that picture is an Atlantic British slider. - Axel | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 623 Registered: 11-2002 |
That particular damage happened here http://www.discoweb.org/area53/alone8.jpg you notice any sliders on the truck ? I didnt think so.... Thanks , have a nice day... "Blow me" | ||
| Sheldon Charron (Rifleman) On Probation Username: Rifleman Post Number: 85 Registered: 01-2004 |
Alex: I saw the EE logo on the side and I made an assumption. I guess I should know better. No knocks intended. I'm just trying to sort out the options. Kyle: Like I said. Dunno. It looked like the rock had the potential to do it. I don't know shit about climbing rocks. I'm not educated enough in Disco photo interpretation to be able to tell if there are sliders on your truck in that Area 51 shot. Apparently there are some hidden or nearly invisible sliders out there too. I'll take your word for it though. ;) | ||
| Sheldon Charron (Rifleman) On Probation Username: Rifleman Post Number: 86 Registered: 01-2004 |
Axel. When do I get the "On probation" takern out from under my name? How about replacing "On Probation" with "On Prozac" or something more interesting. | ||
| Ron L (Ronl) Senior Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think its when you stop making assumptions....eh? | ||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2002 |
Does anybody have or have an opinion on Rockware sliders? I know this is a little late in the post but I'd like to know more about them. I know they actually mount to the frame instead of relying on the sill. | ||
| Greg Bright (Gregd2) Member Username: Gregd2 Post Number: 130 Registered: 06-2002 |
One thing that has been debated before but has not been brought up yet is keeping the bolts tight. Some in the past made the statement that one piece slider can't tighten up on the sill once it takes a hit and the sill compresses. Is this really happening? With the RTE's you can tighten them up more (kind of a sandwich effect) but with a one piece slider can this be done. I've never seen or used a one piece design, just wondering. Ho or John, you guys use them and sell them, has this been a problem yet or does the one piece design collapes enough around the sill that you can keep them tight? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 630 Registered: 11-2002 |
Its going to be a problem on all of them if they get used... "Blow me" | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1302 Registered: 09-2002 |
What are you guys bitchin' about? Bad sliders make you a better driver (guess how I know) | ||
| Jake Porter (Beluga) Member Username: Beluga Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2003 |
I just thought I would share my experience with the RTE sliders. I spend about every other weekend in Moab Spring and Summer, with some of my Rover friends and ran pretty much every trail about 5 times. The wing on my sliders has saved my ass more times than I care to remember. They are great for piviting off of in places like lower Heldorado where others place the rock directly against the door. Last time I was in Moab the wing kept me from rolling, that little extra on the side landed on the rock and stopped the roll-over thank god had to clean my shorts after that one. I guess the best way to pick a slider or any other accessory is to buy what you want and be happy with your purchase. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 330 Registered: 12-2002 |
i have to admit, i talked sh#t on Jakes sliders (i.e. RTE with wings) but i was there when he almost went over, in fact his damn truck would have crushed my sorry ass if it weren't for the wings. i no longer talk crap about the RTE sliders. they are the Bomb in my book! don't hate em', embrace em' marc |
