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     Thomas Bielecki (Bielecki) New Member Username: Bielecki Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hey, I wanted to get everyone's advice on my 2001 DII with 48.5k miles on the clock because the dealerships (Denver South, Denver East, and Flatirons) have so far been unresponsive, and it's almost out of warranty. Lately it's been blowing black smoke at high revs (downshifting while going up a hill). I can get that to replicate with the truck in neutral and when I rev it from idle to ~3.8k-4k rpms. In addition, I believe I hear a knock when I'm doing this from idle (running rich, fuel detonation in the exhaust?). The exhaust also leaves black marks in my garage and driveway at idle. The dealership chocked this up to bad gas, not to mention they said they could no replicate it (unfortunately I couldn't do a tech drive when I dropped it off, because it was towed to the dealership after hours for that visit). At 45k, the dealership did the oil change and service. I just checked the oil, and it's slightly below the add mark. I know the oil capacity is around 6.2 liters. Does anyone know how much oil loss that equates to? I checked the undercarriage for leaks and I saw fresh oil leaking around the front of the sump. It doesn't look like this oil leak could be the sole cause of loosing all of that oil in just 3.5k miles. Is it possible I have a porous block or am I burning it? The car was just in for service -- in fact, it's been in 4 times in the last 3k miles - pw steering pump, radiator, maf, wheel speed sensors, etc, etc. But despite the Denver South service advisor telling me they checked everything out with respect to the engine, I feel rather lied to on my service report because the tech obviously didn't even check the engine oil level. Any ideas on how to make some forward progress here? | ||||||
| Peter J. Kelly (Pjkbrit) Member Username: Pjkbrit Post Number: 75 Registered: 05-2003 |
Call Land Rover NA and tell them what's going on. Don't let that Truck go over 50K until this is all resolved. Sounds like something fairly major is going on...you mention a radiator replacement so did it ever overheat? If so you could have head and/or block issues. Maybe a loosened piston liner allowing oil up through a sleeve seal. | ||||||
| bluesman (Hywy61) Member Username: Hywy61 Post Number: 85 Registered: 02-2003 |
I agree - DO NOT LET IT GO OVER 50K!!! I would demand every little thing fixed before you go off warranty. That sounds like a major problem. The dealership shouldn't care - they get their money from you or LRNA. | ||||||
| Corey (Discobro) Senior Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 326 Registered: 12-2002 |
Yes call LRNA - They will solve this for you and punish the dealership for yankin you around! I believe there is a member of Dweb that works for LRNA in the mid west somewhere. A very well informed lassie with a good head for LR mechanics. I don't remember her name but any regular Dwebber would know. Maybe email Ho or Axel (moderators) for her name?? | ||||||
| gil stevens (Gil) Senior Member Username: Gil Post Number: 385 Registered: 02-2002 |
"The dealership shouldn't care - they get their money from you or LRNA" ..but the get alot more money from you as opposed to LRNA. Pourous block, dropped liner.. both very common with your truck. did you throw any codes?? Tell them it also hesitates under load. document everything. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1207 Registered: 04-2003 |
../2/42125.html"#333333"> | Thomas Bielecki (Bielecki) New Member Username: Bielecki Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
Okay, I've had a friend get a poor response from LRNA for a really obvious brake problem, but I'll give them a try anyways. No codes have been thrown. And to clear something up, the truck emits both black and blue/white smoke. I've never seen the blue/white smoke, but while driving on the highway to go fourwheeling a few weekends ago, my buddies said that there was a considerable amount of blue smoke emitting while chugging up a long hill. My friend tried to back me up at the dealership, but LR South said they couldn't reproduce it. So....I want to try to gather as much evidence as possible before heading back to the dealership. Also it just clicked that there's a large hard blob of oil crusted to the bottom of the dip stick. I mean I can't even get it off of the dipstick with just a shop towel. I've never seen this before; my 10 year old D90 doesn't even have this, and looses only %20 of the oil as marked by the full to add line every 4000 miles (synthetic) instead of 100% in 3500 miles on my DII. Could this crusty oil be an additional clue? Is it worth just doing a compression test myself on it with my Autozone compression gauge? I'm rather loath to try it due the painful accessibility of the plugs on the driver side. Would getting a mechanics stethoscope be worthwhile here? Not that I actual know what to listen for since I've never used one. Peter, I've had the radiator replaced twice so far. I have never noticed it overheating. Corey, thanks for the tip on finding the LR rep, perhaps she services my area. | ||||
| eric johnson (Eric2) Member Username: Eric2 Post Number: 241 Registered: 05-2003 |
Tom Go to the link that Blue posted and scroll down to the big BULLS%#T. Read that post, procede as advised. | ||||||
| Jack Parker (Jack) Senior Member Username: Jack Post Number: 282 Registered: 03-2002 |
Thomas, I used to deal with Denver South. Once, while explaining a mysterious "horn working/not working" senario to the service advisor, the mechanic at the parts desk overheard my explanation and suggested it was a faulty ground in the steering column. The service advisor had no clue....They couldn't get the horn to replicate the problem, but went ahead and replaced the column (under warranty) based upon the mechanics advice/knowledge. I had a similar experience with another problem, where I pulled in, and started talking to this mechanic (Rodger??) prior to the service advisor. He diagnosed the problem, and a couple of others, and told the advisor what to do. They have two very experienced mechanics there, but damn if I can rememeber their names. I think one is Rodger, and the other is a tall, lanky guy w/ a beard. See if you can get a couple of minutes with either and explain your issues. They also (like most places) have some total slackers. I once drove back to Winter Park after an oil change, to find the crankcase one quart too full. I took photos of the dipstick and emailed them to the dealership owner, GM, and service manager. |
