| Author | Message | ||
     michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
i am the proud owner of a 95 d1, i have already replaced the transmission and the rear diff with a truetrac, the problem i am having is that the truetrac dosnt seem to be disengaging, when i go around corners it sounds like the diff is binding and when i am screwing around the back end feels like the rears is locked, i put the locker in about two months prior to noticing the problem. on dry surfaces it does the same thing followed sometime by a loud bang. i have checked the oil in the diff and that is good i was wondering if this is a common problem and if so how would i go about fixing this. any info would be greatly appriciated | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 634 Registered: 11-2002 |
YOu sure it isnt a detroit locker ? Or a front Trutrac that you installed in the back ? "Blow me" | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
no it is a truetrac rear limited slip diff. i ordered it from rovertym | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 635 Registered: 11-2002 |
uh huh Better have it checked , it sounds like a detroit thats too lose.... Did it do it from the time it was installed ? "Blow me" | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 15 Registered: 03-2003 |
no i installed it so i think i know manufacturer that it was, i didnt replace the carrier bearings could that have something to do with it | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 636 Registered: 11-2002 |
What ? That doesnt make any sense and tractec makes both the TT and the detroit... What do you mean you didnt replace the carrier bearings ? Did you swap the old ones over with a press ? I dont think they interchange... "Blow me" | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 16 Registered: 03-2003 |
yes i put the old ones on the new carrier of the TT | ||
| Bruce Potier (Brucep) Member Username: Brucep Post Number: 122 Registered: 06-2003 |
Is it too late to ask why in the world did you not listen to that little voice in your head saying "Stop now, and get some new bearings FOOL". All of that work and now it's suspect? There is a nugget for some in here somewhere. | ||
| Ho Chung (Thediscoho) Moderator Username: Thediscoho Post Number: 559 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL what's the part number of the stuff you put in the back? do you still have the box? Ho Chung | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 686 Registered: 09-2002 |
yep, that TT sure sounds like Detroit. It's not a locker BTW, unless it's a Detroit, then it is  SC | ||
| Bill Bettridge (Billb) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Billb Post Number: 1447 Registered: 02-2002 |
Mike - if it was a new TT or Detroit - then in the instructions there would have been a BIG brightly lettered warning card that explicitly said NOT to resuse the Rover bearings because they are different. Bill | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 333 Registered: 07-2003 |
Seems to me like my diff came with a tag attached to the unit saying something like, dont reuse bearings. Do the stock bearings even fit right? | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 687 Registered: 09-2002 |
My TT came with new bearings pressed on. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 376 Registered: 02-2003 |
depends who u got it from...John (EE) will ship with the new bearings... | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1306 Registered: 09-2002 |
GBR will ship it with the bearings on, too. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 640 Registered: 11-2002 |
All of this is somewhat irrelivant. What ever it is its broke and needs to come out... Dude doesnt make much sense though... "Blow me" | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1307 Registered: 09-2002 |
it is to find what Frank asked - where did it come from. You almost have to specifically ask for NO NEW bearings pressed on, esp. when they come at no extra charge! | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
i got the true trac from rovertym, there was no tag attached to it saying not to reuse bearings, they looked alright the surfaces were smooth and the races were also smooth, if the old bearings were not supposed to fit then why did they? i was driving around town lastnight and i found a slippery road, gave-er hell and heard something let go, now the problem is fixed.... for now no binding no sound at all. If the bearings were bad wouldn't it make my rear hellish noisy under normal driving conditions? | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1308 Registered: 09-2002 |
It would explain some bangs that you were hearing. There are no clutches or teeth or anything else in a TrueTrac that could engage or disengage with a bang - it must have been something else. Did you loctite the ring bolts? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 641 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ofcourse it may very well have been locked up and now you are running around on one axle , since the other broke under the load on pavement. Should be interesting. I used to like to fix things that way myself... USED to............ "Blow me" | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 18 Registered: 03-2003 |
alright here is an update i took my rover down to my shop and put it on four jack stands, when in 4hi with the cdl disengaged if i spin the drivers rear wheel clockwise, the passenger side rear wheel also spins closkwise until some resistance is applied, then the one is able to stop while i am still rotating the other and the front tires are spining opposite directions. when i spin the drivers front wheel clockwise, the passenger side spins counter clockwise and the rear tires remain stationary. when the engine turned on and the gearbox in 1 all four tires spin the front turning faster the the rear, with the cdl engaged in 4hi and the gearbox in 1 all four tires spin the same speed. and the banging and binding is there again, i appreciate you guys givin me some help. | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 380 Registered: 02-2003 |
pull the axles and 3rd member, sounds like you blew something in the diff...that's really the only way to tell... | ||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 577 Registered: 11-2002 |
OK flame me..... wheel bearings...I'll bet I give him 2 days tops till next up date MM | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1110 Registered: 05-2002 |
My vote is in for the Transfer Case. With a TT in the rear it appears that all is normal until you engage CDL. Since you have the rig on jackstands why don't you crawl underneath the rig and locate the source of the noise? ** The above reccomendation does not come with the blessings of myself, DiscoWeb, or anybody else. If your rig falls on top of you it is your own damn fault** | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1310 Registered: 09-2002 |
Curtis, from what he posted, it doesn't sound like everything is normal until he engages CDL. Almost sounds like loose ring bolts or bearing cap bolts. | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2003 |
well the noise and problem have been occuring for more than two days so that assumption is out the door. i guess i have my saturday planned already, take the axels and third memeber apart and see what damage has occured thanx for all the input guys | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2003 |
alright i pulled the third memeber earlier tonite on friday and found no metal shavings or broken gears or loose bolts anywhere. i then pulled the cover plate off the TC and out came some metel chucks, i then proceded to take a closer look at the gears and none of the visible ones were harmed, i think there is a box to lock the CDL bolted on the TC and that i would think is where the gears i being grinded from maybe the linkege or whatever actully lock the center diff is fouled up. any body have any ideas?? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 623 Registered: 02-2003 |
If you drain the TC now, you'll get a bunch more chunks. You've either chipped a gear or there is a bearing failure in there. Mike pull the TC before you get total failure and get left stranded. Sorry mate, the Land Rover wallet vacuum system is clearly working well | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 385 Registered: 02-2003 |
Drain the t-case, see what else comes out. Can u describe what size the chunks were... | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 21 Registered: 03-2003 |
the chunks were about pea size but they looked like teeth almost. the teeth seemed to have come from the TC but where the CDL lever is connected on that box attached to the TC, is there a conversion that is available that will give me the option of having selectable 4wd instead of full time, maybe a different TC that can be adapted or some type of conversion kit maybe, i am really looking for some way of taking off the full time strain on my wallet and my parts. anybody... | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2003 |
nobody has any other ideas | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 347 Registered: 07-2003 |
"but where the CDL lever is connected on that box attached to the TC" I found bits and peices of a ring in mine. Not real sure where it went, but it must have had something to do with the diff lock linkage. | ||
| Peter J Blatt (Peteb) Senior Member Username: Peteb Post Number: 334 Registered: 10-2002 |
There are plenti of used t cases here on the d-web, sounds like it's time to use one, I keep a spare in my garage, Mine started to make a few noises 2 years ago, so i bought a low mileage used unit, and well my t case got all quiet again. You should be able to get one for less than 500.00 | ||
| michael sipe (Mikesipe) New Member Username: Mikesipe Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
where should i find these used t cases for under 500 i looked in the classified ads in the d web and couldnt find one, am i not looking in the right place. |
