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     Jay Reeves (Jay) Member Username: Jay Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2003 |
Looking for a few personal opinions from the Colorado folks. I'll be moving to the Boulder area next month and need a new set of tires - 'scuse me, that's tyres ;). My LR is my only vehicle, so it'll mostly be used on-road, with a fair amount of off roading. Here's the 2 tires I'm considering: http://www.procomptires.com/allterrain1.html http://www.procomptires.com/mudterrain2.html The nice thing about the AT's are they have a 50K mile warranty and are "severe weather" rated. Being from the south, I know the importance of mud tires, but out there, there's not THAT much mud, is it? Mostly dry, right? Given the ratio of on/off road use, will I be able to do a pretty reasonable job getting around on the A/T's, or do you think the mud tires are the way to go? What about snow use? Thanks - all thoughts welcomed, but not flames. | ||
| Bill Mallin (Billmallin) Member Username: Billmallin Post Number: 117 Registered: 09-2003 |
All-Terrain T/AŽ KO http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/catalog/tires/allterraintako.jsp I have them and they are awesome. They were just fine all throughout our trip to CO: http://www.houstonlandroverclub.com/photo_CBA_03.html I do not think the ProComps have the reinforced side walls. Nor do they have the rim protector that the BFGs do. Snow: "The All-Terrain T/AŽ KO tire meets all requirements set by the Rubber Manufacturers Association for use in severe snow conditions." There are obviously lots of opinions on tires... | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 237 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jay, check out the Land Rover Colorado list - you may get a broader range of opinions there. http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/landrovercolorado/ I'd recommend the all-terrain tire for a daily driver in Boulder. Personally, I wasn't as pleased with the ProComp AT as compared to the BFG AT/KO (on my D90s). The BFG performed better on road in snow and ice than the ProComp and although I never took the ProComp off road, I'd guess that it wouldn't do as well as the BFG. As far as mileage, I ran my first set of BFG's for 50K miles before replacing them. Welcome to Colorado, Art Vigil Denver, CO | ||
| Steve Sherman (Ssherman) Member Username: Ssherman Post Number: 136 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jay, I second Bill's suggestion on the BFG AT's as I've been very pleased their performance in all of the conditions that I've encountered. Bill, I'm glad to see that the EE sticker I put up at Cadillac Ranch is still holding up  And also, thanks for the informative articles you've posted. Steve | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 441 Registered: 02-2002 |
I will third the recommendation for the BFG All-Terrain T/AŽ KO, I think you will find that it is a good on road tire for Colorado and also works well for the terrain in Colorado and surrounding areas. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 52 Registered: 06-2003 |
I use BFG MT/KO TM for all around use. I was going to get the BFG AT, but I got a better deal on the muds, plus they just look better! My husband uses the BFG ATs. Overall, I'm quite impressed with the MTs. They handle great in snowy conditions, too. They are not much noisier than the ATs, plus, in comparison, our mileage doesn't seem to differ much, either. Maybe look at Michelin, too. Sidewall protection is key. I don't think I've ever seen Procomps on a rover... Either way, welcome to Colorado. As a sidenote, there really isn't that much mud here except during the runoff, in which case alot of the trails are still closed at that time. (Mud bogging is a HUGE no-no here anyway. It's imperative that we all tread lightly here otherwise our trails will be closed for good.) There are huge rocks. Boulders, really. Lots of trails that are really just streams that hide, well, lots of large rocks. Prepare yourself for some fun rides. Enjoy the scenery! Check out http://www.solihullsociety.org/index.shtml. Great group of people and there's always someone who'd be willing to join you for an impromptu outing. There are also organized events several times a month, which is great to learn your new surroundings & to meet people with like interests & talk rover-talk. | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 53 Registered: 06-2003 |
Oh yeah, check out Goodyear, too. Those were what I was thinking of when I said Michelin-duh... | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 50 Registered: 08-2003 |
Jay, I also am a huge fan of the BFG A/T KOs. I just bought a set two weeks ago. I think BFG mud terrain look the coolest, but for road use they're just not practical. Also, mud terrain don't do to well in the snow. I love the BFG A/Ts because they were the best looking A/T tire I could find. They have enough tread to be worthy off-road, they do alright in the snow and the noise level on the road isn't near as bad as compared to a BFG mud terrain. I know you can get cheaper A/T tires, but IMHO I think it's worth saving a little more money to get BFGs. Good Luck. JRS | ||
| Craig Dickson (Red90) New Member Username: Red90 Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2003 |
I used to drive on the BFG AT and was very pleased. When I was looking for some mud tires for the 90, I found the procomp mud terrains have the siping already in the tread which the BFG MT do not. Also 4 wheel parts wholesalers runs a sale price of buy 3 tires get one free about every 3-4 months. I have had the Procomp MT on my 90 for about 2 years and found them to be a good tire. I commute from BOulder to Denver every day and the tires don't seem to be any louder. Of course with the softtop at highway speeds I can't hear anything anyway. I do think the BFG MT has stronger sidewalls which is important in the rocks but if you drive them in the winter I would get them siped. | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 127 Registered: 07-2002 |
Jay, First off, welcome to Colorado. I think you'll find most of us in this neck of the woods are pretty friendly. If you're going to be doing a fair bit of wheeling, I think that out here its hard to wrong with either the BFG AT/KO or the Goodyear MT-R. If you get the MT-R siped, it makes for a really great all around tire. You could also consider the BFG MT-KM which is a pretty good tread pattern, but a bit loud for daily driving IMHO. You're right, there isn't much mud out here, but mud terrain tires seem to do a lot better on the rocks on most trails than the ATs do- bigger chunky edges to get you up and over the rocks. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 121 Registered: 05-2003 |
BFG AT/KO under my rig and I love them. Took them out to play in the snow last weekend and made me feel like a mountain goat with them. Great traction in the snow, and very smooth ride on the freeway. By the way, has anyone used the BFG factory towing certificate before - the Adventure Assurance Program, where if you get stuck, they'll come pull you out? | ||
| Mark & Bev Preston (Markp) Senior Member Username: Markp Post Number: 256 Registered: 02-2002 |
Welcome to Colorado ... On mileage, good luck getting the manufacturers mileage out of a tire. Colorado roads are rougher and there is more opportunity for fun. Bad combination for tire life. BFG's are good. Another option is the Dunlop Radial Rover R/T. Good center section and lugs on the side. One of the few, if not only, tire rated for severe snow conditions. It is a commercial rated tire. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Radial+Rover+R %2FT I've been running the 245/75-16's now for a couple of years. Very happy with them, on and off road. Shop around though. They are a little tougher to find so the price spread from dealer to dealer can be in the $200 for a set of 5 range. | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 128 Registered: 07-2002 |
Porter, I've never used the BFG Adventure Assurance program but it sure seems like a publicity gimmic to me: First off- if you get a flat, they'll come out and replace it for you. Aside from the fact that I'm perfectly capable of changing my own tire, I have no desire to wait for the countless hours that it would take for BFG to find a tow truck that's willing to come out and help you on the trail, plus have the tow truck physically come out to your rig. I'd bet you'd be waiting at least 5 hours (assuming you have cell phone service out on the trail). Secondly, read the fine print: "Services are limited to a maximum of $60.00 per incident" Good luck with that. Starting costs for a tow truck here in CO on pavement nearby is about $75. If you're out on the trail, I could easily see the tow truck bill exceeding $500. I spoke with one tow truck driver in Glenwood Springs last year who mentioned that his insurance company won't insure them for any recovery out on the trail. As such, when they take their 4x4 tow truck out, it usually costs about $1000-1200. All in all the BFG Adventure Assurance seems pretty useless to me. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Bill Collett (Bcollett) Member Username: Bcollett Post Number: 43 Registered: 07-2003 |
Jay, I recently put the Pro-Comp MTs on my Discovery. They seem to be wearing really well so far. However, these tires are terrible on the icy streets in Denver. I knew this when I bought the tires being a Mud Terrain and everything. As of right now, I would not recommend these tires for a lot of street driving. I have heard great things about and the Bridgestone REVO AT's for the streets and snow, but I don't know how they perform off-road. I hope this helps with your decision. Welcome to Colorado | ||
| Jacquelyne Davis (Jmdavis) Member Username: Jmdavis Post Number: 54 Registered: 06-2003 |
Actually, they've improved the on-snow handling of this model; I've been able to compare these directly with the ATs, which are kind of proven (well, at least tested with good results) in the snow. (I do alot of driving in the mountains in the winter, for skiing/access to skiing mainly, but also for exploring the trails along the Peak-to-Peak highway when there's plenty of snow to play with). YMMV There's also alot to be said for the way SOME (not all) people drive. Let's face it, not everyone lives where they are able to practice their snow-driving skills on an almost yearly basis, and in reality, some people just drive better in the snow than others. Besides, aren't you from Texas or something??? What do you know about snow? ;)
I hear nothing! Wait, maybe it's because I drove that J**p for all of those years. I've lost my hearing!! | ||
| Brett A. Naquin (Bnaquin) Member Username: Bnaquin Post Number: 53 Registered: 09-2003 |
Jacquelyne, You said you were able to get the MT tires cheaper than the AT's. Where did you find them at a better price? Down here in San Antonio they seem to run about $30 more per tire for the MT's. | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 57 Registered: 08-2003 |
Jacquelyne, Yes, I'm from Texas. And, you are correct. I know little to nothing about snow driving. However, I was looking at some job opportunities in Colorado. When I was buying tires I had moving to CO in my mind so I wanted to buy a tire that I wouldn't regret having if I lived in the snow. I read some info on the differences between the BFG A/Ts and M/Ts. Snow handling was one of them. The A/Ts seemed to be a better choice for the best of both worlds. Again, this is all IMO. JRS | ||
| Jay Reeves (Jay) Member Username: Jay Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2003 |
Thanks, folks! Lot's of good info here. The BFG A/T has a little more aggressive tread than the ProComp, which is really what I was looking for. Price-wise, the BFG is only about $30/tire more. However, according to the BFG tire salesman, the rating is 2-ply. All the ProComp's have a 3-ply sidewall rating, so it sounds to me like the ProComp is a tougher tire in that aspect. The ProComp M/T is about the same tread as the BFG M/T, but the ProComp has the siping the BFG doesn't, plus the ProComp is about $60-70 cheaper per tire. | ||
| Nathan Hindman (Nathanh) Member Username: Nathanh Post Number: 130 Registered: 07-2002 |
AT's in most cases will be better than MTs in snow. However, I've been running 235/85/16 Goodyear MT-Rs with the center lugs siped year around for the past 3 years and I think they grip great in the snow... Kind of the best of both worlds, IMHO. Thanks, Nathan Hindman http://www.pangaea-expeditions.com | ||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 239 Registered: 02-2003 |
I have to admit, the new BFG MT is much better in snow then its predecessor and lots quiter also, but I still recommend the AT's for your use. Art Vigil Denver, CO | ||
| Bill Mallin (Billmallin) Member Username: Billmallin Post Number: 124 Registered: 09-2003 |
Jay: Your salesman is a dumb ass. The BFGs do have 3-ply sidewalls--that's why it is called TriGardŽ construction. He probably gets a better commission on the ProComps. If you do get the ProComps, make sure you put the white letters out. | ||
| Steve Sherman (Ssherman) Member Username: Ssherman Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2002 |
Jay, I think you need to find a more knowledgeable tire sales person...BFG's use Trigard construction versus Dualguard for the Procomps. Steve http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/bfgapp/catalog/index_7.jsp http://www.4wheelparts.com/product2.asp?imseqn=746&occlass=PCTC&cat=TIR | ||
| Steve Sherman (Ssherman) Member Username: Ssherman Post Number: 139 Registered: 11-2002 |
Damn Bill....you beat me to it | ||
| Bill Collett (Bcollett) Member Username: Bcollett Post Number: 44 Registered: 07-2003 |
Jay, another thing to consider for the snow in Denver is that the main roads are usually dry a day or two after the storm moves out. As far as the BFG being 50 to 60 dollars more a tire, shop around a little more. At the 4Wheel Parts store near me they were: $156 - Pro Comp MT $168 - BFG MT $153 - BFG AT $142 - Pro Comp AT | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 58 Registered: 08-2003 |
http://www.tirerack.com/ | ||
| Sergei Rodionov (Uzbad) Senior Member Username: Uzbad Post Number: 299 Registered: 08-2003 |
Nathan, M/Ts actually better in snow, for same reason as they better in mud - they cleans faster. They are wee bit worse on packed snow/ice b/c of less surface contact, but then it somewhat compensated by softer compound, so they arent freezing that easy. | ||
| p (Pfb) Member Username: Pfb Post Number: 92 Registered: 08-2003 |
I couldn't be more happy with my Yoko Geolander AT II+'s. They work great in the snow, decent on the highway, goot AT tread, and they where priced RIGHT at discount tire... In fact they are proven in Boulder, CO | ||
| Jay Reeves (Jay) Member Username: Jay Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2003 |
Bill: it was the BFG salesman that told me the BFG's were rated 2-ply - that guy doesn't sell the ProComps, another store does. From what I understand, there can be a difference in what the ply "rating" is versus how many actual plies a tire has. Does anyone here honestly know for a fact about that? I can get the Procomp A/T for $120 here, but they look more like a street tire. I've pretty much decided to go with the BFG A/T since it has more of an agressive tread along the lines of what I was looking for. | ||
| Bill Mallin (Billmallin) Member Username: Billmallin Post Number: 129 Registered: 09-2003 |
Dood. The BFG ATs have three plys. I'm not sure how many different ways I can say it. | ||
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