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     john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004 |
In December 03, i purchased an 01 D2 SE (w/ Cold Climate Package, 32kmiles) for my wife to replace her 89 RRC. I took over "Rangie" as a hand-me-down [after me putting 8 grand in her the past year happily at Arlington (VA) Motors 703-276-8022]. "Rangie" is now our "grand damme of a certain age." The LH mirror on the 01 "Disco Rovey" developed a single straight nearly vertical crack recently. On the upper outboard corner of that mirror, in warm dry weather, I installed a 2.5 in. diam. 360 degree swivaling offset convex "bubble" mirror using its white foam double stick tape applied with the tape strip's longitudinal axis aligned vertically also. The LH mirror did not crack upon application of the small mirror. Could the bubble mirror being applied there have created a hot spot mid mirror after its heating in recent cold weather and crack it through thermal stress? When I applied the bubble mirror, I tried to minimize the cantilevering of the shear load [induced by pushing down on the bubble mirror] by pushing only directly on the inboard side, only where the adapter mount circle is underneath the LH mirror. I also minimized the stress induced by the shear load by spreading out the push area with a thick cotton rag. Perhaps the pressure of pushing it on started a subsurface crack. I live in Kalorama Triangle in NW DC where we are in a walled spot so no mirror smacks by passing vehicles is a possibility there. No evidence of such a smack [perhaps in a parking garage] is on the mirror body. I attempted installation of the LH Altantic British replacement mirror this A.M. It was freezing rain at the time, so unfortunately I broke it attempting to push it on to the adapter mounting ring on the vehicle by: - after connecting the leads and feeding the green guide tag into its slot, - slipped the square inboard side of the mirror mount located on the back side of mirror over the adapter mounting ring, and then tried to push the outboard sloped latch side down on its interface on the adapter mounting ring on the mirror body. mirror broke in a star pattern just off center, indicated to me, - i was pushing within the center of the adapter mounting ring and caused a circular deflection of the mirror. I have a replacement on its way. 1) Should I remove the adapter ring from its installed position on the mirror body and install it to the mirror first then install the mirror/adapter ring as a unit to the mirror body? (i bought a spare adapter ring as a just in case) 2) Should I heat the mirror up first by connecting the leads to the built-in HTR CKT strip on the mirror then I assume idle the vehicle in Park with the Defrost button of the heater in DEF mode for a few minutes. 3) Will the mirror surface temperature come up to a state that it will feel as "warm?" 4) If I can't pull the Adapter Mounting ring off the mirror body and i have to push the mirror on to it directly, Should I use any petroleum jelly or other non-oil lube on the mirror's mounting tangs to aid in its installation, or does it need that friction/stickion of a dry mount to retain it after mounting? john kazeva | ||||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
To continue my discussion thread of above I started, I reviewed my copy of the Bentley D2 manual, (item # 9291D2 on http://www.atlanticbritish.com): - I looked up the Auto Temp Control (ATC) description for the Defrost mode, it did NOT indicate that the side mirror heaters are energized when DEF is selected. -I also looked through the description of the Body Control Unit (BCU) functions to see if it mentioned the mirrors, I saw no description of their operation there. I don't see a separate switch in the vehicle to operate the mirrors' heaters. The above manual only shows mechanical de-install/install of the entire mirror body to the door. thx, john k. btw, item #9809 in the AtlanticBritish catalog/link above is a "Daktari" miniature, a fun item to put on the dash sideways and use as a tilt/roll indicator! ;^D | ||||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2004 |
i read in my owner's manual the mirrors' heaters are energized with the rear windscreen HTR, which is of course also energized when the DEF is selected in the ATC. I had the mirror replacement overnighted by Atlantic British, but apparently somewhere along the chain UPS somehow didn't get or act on the message that I requested a signature waiver. So the mirror sits in a brown truck until Monday. Why is the whole world full of flunkies would can't even get a simple delivery request scenario right? | ||||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2004 |
ATC is Air (not Auto) Temperature Control | ||||||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 221 Registered: 02-2002 |
John, Just wondering, would that not have been coverered for you under warranty? My 2001 is in for servicing right now and they are dealing with one bigger problem and a few small things, all under warranty. Karen | ||||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2004 |
KJ, Thanks for the post. I did call its original dealer LR/Rockville, MD and it would have been covered, but only if the vehicle is left there so I declined. Heating it up prior to its installation and ensuring I pressed ONLY directly over the outboard portion of the adapter ring/mounting interface was the key. I plugged in the leads, then idled the vehicle while operating the rear windscreen heater so the side mirrors were also energized. They became warm to the touch on the glass surface in approx. thirty seconds in 45 degree weather here in DC this evening. I let them heat soak for a few minutes then I pushed it on as described in my previous post above. I applied a smooth but thorough gentle rocking pressure and it popped on ok. | ||||||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 223 Registered: 02-2002 |
Hi John, Been offline for a couple of days and just saw this. I'm glad you were able to get things worked out. Leaving the truck at the dealer IS a pain. Mine was tied up at Alexandria LR for four days and I thought I'd perish without it. I was cranky and didn't want to go anywhere since I didn't have my Disco to drive. Getting it back and feeling my sense of well-being return REALLY made me ponder this human/aluminum relationship. I don't know if it's healthy, but I sure do feel better! Karen  | ||||||
| Bill Mallin (Billmallin) Senior Member Username: Billmallin Post Number: 427 Registered: 09-2003 |
John: After reading your post, I said, "This guy's an engineer." I'm allowed to say that because I am an engineer and my questions are usually thorough as well. Then I looked at your profile--you're a rocket scientist! I also work with Ph.D. nuclear physicist; he would have asked the question exactly the same way you did. Me, I would have left off after the first post. Well, that's not true, I've answered my own question before: ../2/42708.html"#333333"> | KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 225 Registered: 02-2002 |
Wow John, neat page you created! I wish I had time right now to look at the many, many links, but I got the gist, and it's very cool. You kids reading DiscoWeb on the company dime, hey, it's Friday, take a look at John's personal web page. Karen | ||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2004 |
Dear karen, I too was off line for a bit so please forgive my delayed response. I want to say a humble "thank you!" for the plug about my 'personal space' web page. It was a rough year in human space flight, not much of it good; you can see I use my space web page as "journals' therapy" to vent about it. I am humbled that it is so well received. Seeing two space shuttle disasters from deep within the organization and then seeing the political non-scientific craziness of this moon/mars initative that is only serving to gut the US space program when i feel robots and telepresence development is what would result in real growth of technology (vs. a fourty five year old design that will be only white collar welfare) is, well, disheartening to me. But let's leave it on good note, here's a shot of a family of two very spendy custom made ALL-wheel drive "Rovers": http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA04421 some other off road hill climbers: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/videos/technology/mars_rovers.html john kazeva P.S. I would LOVE any such CD if its an extra. You would have me as a forever technical supplement to understanding it also, as, yes i do, love to tinker. My current work is installing an x10 cam nightowl rear vision system on my vehicles, per a post I saw somewhere. I have arthritis in my neck so craning around to see behind the back of my disco is difficult, and especially knowing my room/depth behind me also is tricky. If you would like, please email me separately on my web-based email rocketjohnnyk@yahoo.com, I would send you an express mail package you could drop it in, or I could put some funds in a paypal account if you have one to defray any mailing costs to Kalorama Triangle in NW DC. thx! | ||||||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2004 |
Bill (and Karen), Sorry I got confused on who had the CD (sometimes it does take a rocket scientist to read a message board improperly), sorry about the confusion. Bill, I would love to make use of that CD, my offer stands, I would interpret ANY questions that came along on discoweb that would pertain to use of the CD. Please let me know how I could defray/preclude any mailing costs you would incur for me to receive this. In the spirit of such good will, I have an extra Clarion cassette radio from my 89 RRC and the RRC 1970-1992 Haynes Manual still in plastic I will give to anyone for shipping costs. i'll post that on the classifieds. | ||||||
| KJ (Karen) Senior Member Username: Karen Post Number: 231 Registered: 02-2002 |
I'm always reading the most interesting things when I don't have time to devote to them. I'm bumping this note up to the top for a couple of reasons. First, the page John has created is fascinating for anyone interested in science as well as being very, very human in content. Also, I think John is not full of internet crap as is so often the case. I think John DOES do the stuff he says he does. Either that or he's stuffed his rocket-scientist twin brother into the closet and stolen his identity Karen |
