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     Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 9 Registered: 09-2003 |
I have a 2000 DII with the 18" wheels and performance package. I am looking for a mild lift maybe a 2" OME lift.. basically want to move into a larger tire size. What would you all suggest? I think that 3" would be too extreme, I tow a boat in the summers and dont want to lose much power in the tire swap. Could anyone provide some pics of mild OME lifts? | ||
| Dean Brown (Deanbrown3d) Senior Member Username: Deanbrown3d Post Number: 1428 Registered: 02-2002 |
Jarrod, 265/75/R16 and 2" lift (Rovertym or OME) is just about the most common D2 setup. You'd have to loose the 18's though. Dean  | ||
| Leigh Mikolajczyk (Leigh_m) New Member Username: Leigh_m Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jarrod, I have a 2000 disco II with the 16" rims if you want to swap the 18". My 2000 is for street use only I also have a 94 disco I. Let me know if you are intested. Leigh | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jarrod, I'm in a similar position; actually it's becoming more and more common for SUVs in general to come w/ 18's. W/all the research I've done I've decided to go w/ 2" RTE lift & Rancho 9000X's. I'll be using 285/60/18 Terra Grapplers. That was my toughest decision because I really wanted to go with BFG A/T's but the only 18" tire they have is a 33" (285/65/18's actual 32.8"). 32.8 vs. 31.6 in the T/G is a big step for the stock drive train of a D2. For now I'm not going hard core, just wanted to put balls on my rig instead of panties- make it look a little tougher and slightly more capable. It's my daily driver but I don't want it to be a mall crawler. I just know that as soon as I get the T/G's though, BFG will come out with a 32" tire for 18" wheels. Hope I'm wrong. I'll let you know how it goes. The install is going in this week. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 10 Registered: 09-2003 |
Guys & Girls, What about the BF Goodrich all-terrain K/O's in the LT285/65R18. What does that size equate to? would that fit with a 2" Old Man Emu lift? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 631 Registered: 02-2003 |
How tall is my tire lesson using 285/65-18 ((285*0.65)*2/25.4)+18 = 32.5 | ||
| Leigh Mikolajczyk (Leigh_m) New Member Username: Leigh_m Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jarrod, I have the BFG K/O's on my 94 and they are great tires. No lift on the 94 yet. Mr. Leigh | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 11 Registered: 09-2003 |
Chris, So if the tire is 32.5" tall, would it fit on a DII with the 2" Old Man Emu lift?? | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jarrod, yeah, those LT285/65R18's you're asking about are the ones I mentioned in my post. They're 32.8". Specs here: http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/all_terrain_ta_kd.pdf They're the only 18" tire BFG makes as far as I've found. I actually wasn't able to find any info on a 2" lift w/ 33"s (or 32.8") in this case. ...I really wanted to go w/ that BFG but I'm going to play it safe w/ the T/G's. Let me know how it goes if you go w/ the BFG's. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 12 Registered: 09-2003 |
I will, its some serious cash for the tires, $211 a piece from tire rack, then install. I can put the OME lift on myself, thats another $600. So it will not be soon. I am just trying to find something that looks and handles very well. I am by no means a hardcore off-roader. You will not see a dent in the Disco until it is paid off, just how I am. I might try emailing Old Man Emu and asking them about my situation and see if they respond. I would love to find people that have put the 2" lift on with the LT285/65R18. Just to get their ideas on it. | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1591 Registered: 02-2003 |
for the love of God do NOT use the Rancho shocks... go 2" ome lift, 265/75 that wide shit will just lead to breakage. rd | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 13 Registered: 09-2003 |
what wide stuff are you talking about? The wide wheels I assume? I do not need an extreme set up. I would define extreme in my situation as going back down to the 16" wheels ,when I dont plan on doing any rock crawling that would require airing down. So the 18" would work well. I am not going to use rancho shocks.. OME is the only one for me. 2" lift with their shocks. I asked if the LT285/65R18 would fit without modification to a DII with the ome 2" lift? | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 632 Registered: 02-2003 |
Jarrod: I'm a d1 owner and don't know he D2 stuff, but try to follow it cos I know a D2 will make it into my garage one day.... | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 14 Registered: 09-2003 |
yes, i kindof do the same in reverse. DI has been out alot longer so I read that stuff trying to find other good ideas. I was just starting the tread to see if any DII owners out there had put in a 2" ome lift and if it was possible to get the 285/65/18's in there without modification. | ||
| Alan E. Foster (Vt_alan) New Member Username: Vt_alan Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2003 |
Jarrod, 285 can be a little wide, especially if you're trying to keep the mods mild; still, I don't know much about DIIs, you may be able to fit them without much fanfare ... wider tires typically will require you to adjust steering stops, losing turning radius. Then again, I just found a 335/80R18 tire for you ... check out http://www.goodyearotr.com/catalog/SP-T9_L.html works out to about 39x13! Top speed: 25mph; they also make that in a 405/70R18. In all seriousness, look up a 275/65R18 on Tirerack, which is 32x11, roughly. ... it may be closer to what you want ... and you can get the BFGoodrich. | ||
| Brian Dickens (Bri) Senior Member Username: Bri Post Number: 1006 Registered: 08-2002 |
Jarrod, You should be airing down some even on bumpy dirt roads. For the money in those tires get some steel rims and R16s for offroad. Why so many rancho haters out there. They make a longer shock than OME and they are adjustable. For the money they are damn nice. I hear nothing but good about them from the people I talk to. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 15 Registered: 09-2003 |
alan, ok so the 65 means its about 11 inches wide? thats sounds really wide, what is the stock wideness on a 18 factory rim? is there a 32x9.5 or 32x10. what would those wideness in metric be? another question, whats the smallest width you could put on the 18"? man I am almost out of breath, I love the internet at work haha... | ||
| Alan E. Foster (Vt_alan) New Member Username: Vt_alan Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2003 |
Well, I don't actually know the width of the factory 18" rim, would hazard a guess that it's 7-8" ... metric tire sizes are as such: Take, for example, the size 275/65/18. The first number is in mm, and is the section width, not tread width (section width is measured from sidewall across to the other sidewall, where the tire is the fattest at recommended pressure). 275mm -> 10.83 inches -- remember that number. Now, the second set of numbers is a ratio and represents a percent of the section width, in this case it's 65, so the section height (from rim to road) is 65% of 10.83 inches, or 7.04 inches; the overall tire height is 2ce that number, since the tire sits above and below the rim, and the overall height also includes the rim, so to get the final height we have to add section height + rim + section height -- 7.04 + 18 + 7.04 = 32.08 inches. So this tire is 32x11x18; I'd say you'd be safe to run this size on an 18x7 or 18x8 rim. So now you can derive that the 285/60/18 and the 285/65/18 are the same section width, 285 mm, or 11.22 inches; only a 1/4 inch larger than the 275s, but that does add weight to the the equation, meaning your internals have to work a little bit harder to spin the 285 than the 275 (although height is usually a greater load). I don't know the smallest size you could put on the 18 inchers, depends on the height (imagine a 44" gumbo mudder, has to be fairly wide to retain the bead (or run at an ungodly pressure), vs. a low profile race tire, which can be a hair over the rim width). Hope this helps, and I've not circulated any misinformation. -Alan | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 335 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jarod 265/75r16 265 is the width in mm. so multiply by .04 to get inches 75 is the percentage of the width. so take the width times the percentage. 16 is the rim size. now when figuring total height add the percentage number twice for the top of the tire and the bottom plus the rim size. example:: 265 x .04 = 10.60 inches 10.60 inches x 75% = 7.95 height of tire. now add 7.95+16+7.95= 31.90 total height . so a 265/75R16 is close to 32 inches high and 10.6inches wide. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 16 Registered: 09-2003 |
ok the 285/65r/18 will fit on a rim width of 8-10"..has a section width(sidewall to sidewall) of 11.5" on a 8.5" rim...and has an overall dia. of 32.8". now those tires are .1" taller then a 33" tire, in overall dia. off of BFG's website. So now let me ask if anyone knows the specs on the 18" prolines that I have now? are they 8,8.5 or 9" in width? I am looking at sites now, and haven't found it yet.. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 337 Registered: 05-2003 |
18x8 | ||
| Alan E. Foster (Vt_alan) New Member Username: Vt_alan Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2003 |
I ran a 285/75/16 on my D90 (which on the 16" rim, works out to be almost identical to the 285/65/18 you're interested in), and it was a sizeable tire -- see a photo at http://www.d-90.com/bio/alanf.html Nothing wrong with running that size on a Disco, but if I were trying to keep the mods minimal (and still be able to tow that boat!), I'd be looking for something smaller. FWIW ... | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 17 Registered: 09-2003 |
I love this site. ok here is why I asked all the ?'s, I used to have a 98 wrangler with a 2" old man emu lift and I ran 33x10.50 on the stock 15"rims. With no mdifications anywhere. That was an excellent set up for what I did. Now I have the DII and I want to do pretty much the same thing, since I was so happy before.. as much as I can tell the BFG AT/KO in 285/65r/18 is close to the 33/10.50/15, other then the 15 to 18" rim. I really want to stay with the BFG AT/KO if I switch. Does the 18" rim mean that really there is less weight because of the 2" difference in rubber missing if I stay with the 18 opposed to the 16", that would be a plus for braking.. Would the 32.8" tire(285) rub anywhere with the 2" OME lift? Body, trailing arms or anywhere? | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 4 Registered: 02-2004 |
I agree... 32" max for 2" lift and stock drivetrain. Basically two best choices for a 32" tire, the Nitto T/G 285/60/18 and the BFG Rugged Trail 275/65/18. Unfortunately to have BFG A/T's one has to go to 285/65/18 which is a 33" (actual 32.8"). Just got back from Cityside Garage in Massachusetts USA. I'm goin' w/ the 2" Rovertym setup. I'm pretty sure I'm going w/ the T/G's but I'm still going to sleep on considering the BFG Rugged Trail. Anyone had any experience w/ the BFG Rugged Trail? | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 5 Registered: 02-2004 |
Jarrod, there's a suprising amount of variance between Discos. It's a Rover thing. With 32"s and a 2" lift there is tiny bit of trimming on the plastic OEM boot-kicker liner where on the sill where rock sliders go- at the back of the front wheel wells. If you go w/ the BFG A/T's w/ a 2" lift... there will be much more rubbing. Also, I talked to one guy who actually had that setup with a 3" lift. His opinion was that it would rub for sure not only at the back of the front wheel well, but on the endcap as well. It's tough because this is a relatively new trend of people keeping their 18" rims and going bigger w/ minimal lifting. I've been researching this since October and I'm still trying to decide on which tire (though I've decided not to go bigger than a 32"). | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 18 Registered: 09-2003 |
hmmm, more to consider thanks both of you!!!I guess its really not that big of a deal to go down to the 16" if I need to. I would love to stay with the stock set up as much as I could. Does Land Rover make any 15" wheels that would fit on a DII and look good, then I could order the 33x10.50x15 that I loved so much? I just really like the look of my DII now and love the prolines. | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 294 Registered: 06-2003 |
here is a pc of the 285/65/18 bfg at's on a '00 D2 with performance package and SLS and 3" RE lift. I think they are great and worth it. The extra 1.5" i tihnk makes a difference  | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 333 Registered: 05-2003 |
About the Rancho shocks... I have the 9000s too, set to the firmest setting. They feel better than the stock shocks and I haven't had any problem as of now. They come with a fantastic warranty...if they break, they will replace it. Just my 2 cents. Jamil | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hi Rick. Jarrod, Rick is the guy who I mentioned had the 3" lift w/ the BFG A/T's. I agree w/ Rick that 2" lift $ 33"s would rub. Today with 32"s & a 2" lift I discovered it would even rub a little at the back of the front wheel well as I mentioned earlier. | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2004 |
This is hilarious. Jamil, Alan at Cityside referenced your setup a couple of times. He showed me a pic of you and the BSRO group, literally about 30 minutes ago. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 6 Registered: 01-2004 |
Just my 2 cents here. I have an '03 Discovery with the 2" OME lift. I also have the 18" rims. I contemplated the BFG AT/KO but decided I liked the lift where it was. I bit the bullet and got 16x7 steel wheels to fit the 265/75R16 BFG AT/KO. My plan is just to have an extra set of wheels/tires for offroading and keep the 18" wheels and tires for my daily driving. Just ordered the rims today so I'll have to wait and see if I made the right choice. The Discovery has a poor turning radius as it is and I just didn't want to make it worse with the 285 tires. | ||
| Christian Kiely (Redrover47) Member Username: Redrover47 Post Number: 70 Registered: 09-2003 |
The BFG rugged trail is hardly an offroad tire, if you can't get the BFG ATs, then I'd say go with the Nittos. IMHO. | ||
| Adam Ross (Discodriveradam) Member Username: Discodriveradam Post Number: 193 Registered: 01-2003 |
Jamil, the warranty doesn't cover Rancho's on LR's. Be prepared to lie when they break (and they will). | ||
| Nick Sitchon (Stellarnick) New Member Username: Stellarnick Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2004 |
...thanks Christian. I've done the research on the Nittos too and people love them off-road and on-road. They look great too. As much as I love the BFG A/T's, I'm not going w/ a 33". So it's the Nitto's. | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 338 Registered: 05-2003 |
Shane get Mud Terrains if you are keeping the 18,s you won't be let down. I have the same setup. Jim | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 7 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jim, I've seriously thought about that, but what will most likely happen is that I'll put on the offroad tires and be too lazy to take them off when I get home. Meaning I'll probably keep the stock rims/tires for long trips. I am still definately contemplaing the MT though. Thanks for the input. Shane | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 864 Registered: 05-2003 |
Shane, You will like the feel of your new wheels and tires so much that you'll never put the stock ones back on. I vote for the MT's  Jamie | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 339 Registered: 05-2003 |
Shane check this out... at 7500 miles took off the 18's and put on BFG MT's thinking I'll use them for offroad only. Well like you said I never took them back off and I'm at 18000 miles. But they are fairly quiet and well behaved on the street but kick it off-road. You won't be let down by your choice .. especially if you are keeping the 18's !! -Jim | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 633 Registered: 02-2003 |
One more thing....the height of the tire varies depending on the width of the rim....been looking for the formula for an hour of so.....I'm sure I'll find it now that I've posted..... | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 867 Registered: 05-2003 |
Chris, Is this what you're looking for? http://www.expeditionexchange.com/tiresize.htm | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 336 Registered: 05-2003 |
tire size calculator program: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/tiresizenew.htm | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 9 Registered: 01-2004 |
I've had 35" and 32" BFG MT's on a previous vehicle (1957 Chevy Stepside) and loved them. I drove this vehicle every day to college and never had a complaint. I was thinking that I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference in that vehicle like I should be able to with the Disco and should go for the AT's. I may just be changing my mind though, thanks to everyone on here. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 19 Registered: 09-2003 |
Ok so what I have concluded is that the BFG AT/KO 285/65-18 will not go on a DII with 2" OME??? I do not want to trim or make any modifications..So that being said I will just have to let it be. | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 20 Registered: 09-2003 |
Another question, If I drop down to the 16" wheel, whats the largest dia. wheel I could put on a stock non-lifted DII? | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2004 |
Ok, I got ordered my 265/75R16 BFG MT's today. My rims will be here tomorrow and the tires will be in on Monday. Jim, How bad is your speedo off? Is there a way to fix this with the DII that anyone knows of? | ||
| Jim Reynolds (4x4xfar) Senior Member Username: 4x4xfar Post Number: 340 Registered: 05-2003 |
I used a friends GPS to check the speed it is about 10% off . I don't know of a fix. Jim | ||
| Jarrod Williams (Jwilliams) New Member Username: Jwilliams Post Number: 21 Registered: 09-2003 |
When I lifted my Jeep I actually went up to jeep and told them how much larger my tires were 33x10.5/15 and they ordered me a new speedo gear that I put in my self... It was a couple years back, it was in the transfer case I think. It only took 15min to put in and my speedo was almost dead on. Anyone know of something like that for a DII?? Shane, So you put the OME 2" in, how do you like it? Any negatives? | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) New Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 16 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jarrod, I'll let you know more on the looks when I get my tires put on next week. For now the stock tires look pretty small with the lift. The lift itself is great. It's a little stiffer on the road but expected. I haven't had it offroad yet with the lift. The one negative is that OME and BP recommended the springs to use for an even lift with the ARB bumper and winch but it looks like the front is slightly lower than the rear. I have two of the Rubberized Spring Isolators (ANR2938), I just have to put them on the front. That will hopefully even it out. The springs are OME779 front and OME781 rear (I think, it might be the other way around). |
