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     Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2004 |
I spoke in great detail with a master land rover tech about the type of gas I need to use in the 1998 D1. He had me convinced that 86 was perfect for my D1; however I am now getting a strange shiver (the car is shaking when I am stopped or when it first starts) Since the "shake" started I have ran 93 octane in the rover ?? So what gives ?? Which is best .. what can I get by with? Was the rover tech feeding me a line ? A friend of mine has a 1996 RR HS 4.0,he too uses the 86 octane and is convinced it is fine. My dad says no 93 is the only gas to use . Dad has a 1995 RRC, 2001 DII, and a Series III . | ||
| Pugsly (Pugsly) Senior Member Username: Pugsly Post Number: 298 Registered: 11-2002 |
The ECU adjusts ignition timing based on the fuel you use. You shouldn't do any damage running lower octane, but you will have less power. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 950 Registered: 05-2003 |
Melissa, If I were you, I'd stick with your Dad's opinion. I have always followed the recommendations in vehicle documentation for whatever I drive. In my D2 that is 93. I could be wrong, but I figure it is a matter of pay now as you go along or pay big time later when things don't hold up so well. Good Luck, Jamie | ||
| Justin Sherfy (Jrsherfy) Member Username: Jrsherfy Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2003 |
Melissa, I go with premium in my Disco II. I see you're in Oklahoma City. There's a mechanic by the name of Bill Jansz who owns a Land Rover/Jaguar repair shop in Moore, OK. His e-mail is in the classified section on this board b/c he rebuilds t-cases and advertises them here. He is very, very knowledgeable about Rovers. If you like the mechanic you have now, that's cool. But if you need to get a hold of a second opinion, talk to Bill. I can't say enough good about him. Very friendly and very knowledgeable. FWIW JRS | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2004 |
Justin.. Thank You for the help with the mechanic. Yes, I need one! After a three battle with the clutch fan change out, I now realize that maybe I can not do it all? I had been using Rover Cannibal .. and a rover tech in Austin, Texas.. But who wants to drive 4 hours just to have the care serviced? THANKS AGAIN!! I will look him up and put him on SPEED DIAL!! | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 847 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hey, read my post about valve jobs. "VALUE JOB PRICE" Especially the theory about how a poor grade of gas can lead to early valve failure. Hey you have a nice rig, treat it like to you like it! | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2004 |
Thanks Mr. Moore for the advice on the gas. It seems that when you get conflicting information from a certified master land rover tech and millions of rover owners, you are a bit confused where to go and @ 2.00 per gallon times a 23 gallon tank even a lawyer cringes when they fill up .. Nevertheless, it is well worth it running properly now and avoiding the 3000.00 bill later.. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 849 Registered: 10-2002 |
Melissa, "John" will do! LOL! Sorry, if I dogged you in the other thread! I didn't put two and two together and see you had posted until I re-read both. Hey, usually premium is .15 to .20 more per gallon which adds up to an additon 3.00 to 4.00 per each fill up, so it's cheap insurance and your Rover will appreciate it. You can use cheap gas and the ECU will react to it and you will never notice the difference, maybe a small drag in power it's designed to use cheap gas when needed. But the difference is in the long run, with accumlated build up of carbon on the valves from the retarded timing to prevent detonation. Pay now or pay later... | ||
| Ryan Graham (Ryangraham) New Member Username: Ryangraham Post Number: 40 Registered: 01-2004 |
Personally, I run mid grade. But from a purely technical standpoint, it shouldn't matter. The only difference between regular and premium is the burn rate. Premium fuel burns slower so pre ignition and spark knock are reduced. If you run regular and get some knocking then move up until it runs how you think it should. I think in the end it comes down to whatever your comfortable with. | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) New Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2004 |
Mellisa, Your vehicle shaking shouldn't have anything to do with the octane of your gas. The rough running engine would be due to some tuning issue... Check things like your wires, plugs, injectors, etc... I tend to agree with ryan on the octane issue. As long as you are not experiencing spark knock, you should be ok. Having said that, my DII only runs on 93. It will ping with anything lower  . -justin | ||
| Andrew Homan (Andy) New Member Username: Andy Post Number: 18 Registered: 01-2004 |
I'm new here, but when I was fixing German cars the oct rating wasn't as important as the use of injector cleaner. granted some of the higher octane fuel has it, or claims to. Audi had an entire recall for carbon build up on the back side of the valves causing stumble and hard start problems. Is 20 cents a gallon gets rid of that concern i say it's worth it. | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hey Andrew! I usually use a fuel injector cleaner every fill up?? Then I will use a "Gumm Out Cleaner" about every 1000 miles..On top of the 91 or 93 Octane. I have a hard time finding 93 in Oklahoma City due to certain regulations(it is not mandatory).. So I usually use 91 or 93 when available.. What are your thoughts on the fuel cleaner? Am I going over board? | ||
| Andrew Homan (Andy) New Member Username: Andy Post Number: 20 Registered: 01-2004 |
Personally I think every fill up is a little over kill.Probably not going to hurt any thing but your wallet. maybe every third fill up or even more. Some of my old customers did the injector cleaner with every oil change. Do you do a lot of stop and go or city driving? or short trips? this can cause carbon build up faster if the engine is'nt getting to operating temp before being shut off. Lets face it highway miles are better on vehicles. I did a test with my Triumph superbike and ran "cheap gas" every other tank with no problems or noticable power loss (didn't put it on the dyno though) but this was durning a long trip to Canada and almost all highway, open road riding. fwiw. | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 850 Registered: 10-2002 |
Speaking of injector cleaners, I use Chevon with Techron at every oil change. Then again, I change my oil, every 5000 miles since I run Mobil 1 and a K&N filter. But as I said before, I run premium gas 99% of the time. | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Senior Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 292 Registered: 10-2002 |
Is 93 octane still available somewhere in this country? Damn. All we get in California is 91. BTW, I always burn 91 in my '02 Discovery, and can even tell which brands run better. Shell and Chevron seem to give the best performance, perhaps because their octane is just slightly higher and the ECU is "aware" of that. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 968 Registered: 05-2003 |
Now I'm wondering if the number on the pump where I fill up is 91 or 93. I'm going to try to remember to take a closer look next time  | ||
| Greg French (Gregfrench) Senior Member Username: Gregfrench Post Number: 675 Registered: 11-2002 |
Anybody else notice better mileage with Shell? I reset my trip meter every time I fill up. I usually use BP/Amaco, and get around 270 miles between fillups. I filled up at a Shell a few weeks ago, and noticed 300 miles before I had to refill. I filled with Shell again and got the same results. Next tank, I went back to BP/Amaco, and it dropped back to 270's. Is this just me? | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 301 Registered: 10-2003 |
I see a few things that have not been metioned. First of all, LR calls for use of 90 octane gas. I do use premium in mine but it is 93, meaning I would actually be closer to the recommended octane if I used 89, which is what my dealer told me to run. Either way, I agree with the whole cheap insurance thing. In higher elevations it would actually be fine to use a lower octane gas. As to the injector cleaner, I have heard some things about using it too often. It seems that over time it will strip off the injectors "teflon like" coating which helps them not get the buildups in the first place. This is dependent on what type you use and how diluted it is. If you put a bottle in every fill up you are probably diluting the cleaner at least four times over what it is called for--which would be good if what I heard about the stripping of the teflon is true. As I said this is what I read, I am not a scientist who spent countless hours in a lab studying fuel injectors. Personally, I put a bottle of techron in about every 3k or so. | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 16 Registered: 02-2004 |
I have been using Sinclair(they are the only gas station in OKC that has the 93 octane)..They are hard to locate but luckily I know where they are all at now. Since I stopped using the 86 octane, I am now getting about 310 miles per gallon. Prior, the 86 octane gave me about 250 miles per tank. Andrew, I do mostly highway driving: trips to Dallas about every other weekened. This is about 200 miles one way or to Austin that is 410 miles one way... It looks as though the overall consensus is premium. I am very appreciative for all the opinions and the insurmountable amount of knowledge that I have gained about gas octane. Looks like the "LAND ROVER TECH" was a bit misleading.. I should have known better he does not own a rover. ;) | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 854 Registered: 10-2002 |
WOW, I wish I could get "310 Miles per gallon"! That is some Rover! | ||
| Adrian Strata (Adrians) Member Username: Adrians Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2003 |
I always use 89 octane in my 98 Disco and got at least 300+ miles on a full tank (combined city/highway) all the time with the stock tires. Now with 245 MT Futuras, it went down to 260-270. When I fill up I usually put in 22-23 gallons and always use the Lucus fuel injector cleaner. | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 17 Registered: 02-2004 |
Mr Moore .. Looks like I am not the only one who gets "300 plus" Maybe we all drive the same rover?? What an anomaly that would be! Does this have something to do with the typo that you dogged me on?? REMEMBER THE VALVE JOB ? | ||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2004 |
Melissa, it looks like mr. moore was pointing out "310 miles/gallon" you stated when we all know you meant "310 miles / tank." 310miles / 23 gallons = 13.48 mpg; 250miles / 23gallons = 10.87 mpg i think i read thru that previous post you mentioned, your brilliant sharp-witted comebacks i read showed me you will be a great attorney or whatever you pursue once you get your degree. In my business, of course choice and consistency of mathematical units are very critical, as the JPL and lockheed-martin folks learned in a very embarrassing and humbling way on Mars a few years ago, but we also know when to let somebody slide when we know they mean something else as they inadvertantly say/type another. johnnyk | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) New Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 33 Registered: 02-2004 |
I hate to bring this up, but with gas being a little over $1 a gallon here, I still don't mind using the lower grade 93 instead of the more expensive 98 octane. Of course, I always use the 98 when filling up the R1 wheelie machine. That said, we change fuel filters and fuel pumps like underwear!!! I once installed a "door" in the cargo space of my 1989 RR just above the fuel pump so I didn't have to drop the gas tank to change it out every year! Fuel pumps were standard in the spare parts kit in Saudi! SandMan | ||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 856 Registered: 10-2002 |
Geez, just having a little fun at your expense! | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 18 Registered: 02-2004 |
My bad... That WOULD be an incredible Rover.. Looks like maybe the smart -witted law kid needs to spell--check and meticulously review her posts for any typo(s).. This appears to be a monotonous pattern that I have set forth for myself. Mr. Kazeva thanks for pointing out my poor math skills.. Hey my undergrad degrees were both B. A.'s: one history and the other in psychology ... | ||
| Christopher Boese (Christopher) Senior Member Username: Christopher Post Number: 295 Registered: 10-2002 |
Greg, I'm also trying to decide whether Shell gives better mileage or not. They do claim that their newest formulation is designed for higher mileage. I'll post if I figure anything out. | ||
| Sterling Sliter (Sterling) New Member Username: Sterling Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
...anyone ever heard of "octaine boost?" I use it every few fillups, works great, they have it at NAPA | ||
| Sterling Sliter (Sterling) New Member Username: Sterling Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2003 |
sorry...octane | ||
| Dave Statler (Falconx84) New Member Username: Falconx84 Post Number: 19 Registered: 02-2004 |
I thought the owners manual said octane boost wasn't a good idea.... | ||
| andy coleman (Andy0826) New Member Username: Andy0826 Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2003 |
Personally....... I get my gas from the cheap guy on the corner. 82 octane. I like how he smokes when he fills up my rig at the pump. Hes got dog biscuits. I slap down the plastic, and tell him to throw in a tip for himself. Then I tear ass out into the hills and red line it on the dirt roads all day. I took that little sticker off the fuel door that said "premium fuel only," and replaced it with my own. It says, "Andy, you the man!" | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) New Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2004 |
Andy...I saw that same sticker on your mechanic's new Porsche. And his name isn't even Andy! Gods Speed Son... SandMan | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 20 Registered: 02-2004 |
Hey Sandman.. I am looking for a job(the legal profession JD/MBA), Any prospects in UAE? And the Rover is going to need the 67.5K check up soon... Maybe you can help me out with that ? | ||
| Peter Carey (Peterca) Member Username: Peterca Post Number: 66 Registered: 10-2003 |
93 octane isn't too available around here so I usually use 91. I usually use Shell and notice when my wife puts in something else, expecially if the tank was really low below she filled it. Nothing scientific, but it doesn't run as well, and ran horridly the one time she put in Arco/AM-PM. That being said, they had a report on tv a while ago that only 10% of the cars on the road require premmium (be it 91 or 93 octane for us in the US) but 30% or the sales in the area are for that grade. If the manual says 90 and you use 91, that's no big deal. But a lot of 'normal' cars only require 87 and the people putting in 93 in those cars are wasting money essentially. If you car is built to use 87, you don't get much, if any, true performance boost or insurance from higher octane. pwc | ||
| john kazeva (Jkazeva) New Member Username: Jkazeva Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2004 |
Melissa, I apologize my post about mathematical clarifications potentially came across to you as any sort of indictment of math skills, please understand it was not meant in that manner. BTW, have your seen? http://www.rovergirls.com/ It seems like a neat resource for Rover women on the web. Mr. Moore, I saw in your later post the context of your post to Melissa and that it was just for a little fun and nothing more. I apologize if I came across as being mean spirited in any way regarding your post to her. I so appreciate everyone here who all take a lot time to read and reply to the posts on this valuable resource, and I don't want to jeopardize any of the respect everyone has shown me on discoweb. Humbly, john | ||
| Andrew Homan (Andy) New Member Username: Andy Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2004 |
Melissa, going back a few posts but don't be ashamed of poor math skills or a major in history. Good math skills brought us the atomic bomb and eron accounting. And remember those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Anyway filled up with 89 oct and put some injector cleaner in. God save the queen the rovers running good. cheers Andrew | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2004 |
ANDY : I need to study !! Stop worrying about my damn rover and read thru this Advanced TORT BULL SH**! HA! HA! I love school... And I keep thinking about the income that will come in once I graduate. JOB (sign on bonus)== ARB BUMPER,WINCH,AND THE MOTHER LOAD THE 2004 RANGE ROVER 4.6 HSE !!! Dude the On Board Navigation has a british accent! I filled up today as well. I thought about some fuel injector cleaner..Then I decided no not today..Remembering what you said before about Over Kill!! I am going back to the books for awhile ..Best, Mel | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) New Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2004 |
Roverchic, Everybody wants to live in an overpaid, taxfree, 4x4 paradise like the UAE. What makes you so special? I sent you an email offline about jobs. AS for your next service, I don't think I can afford you! SandMan | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 309 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mel......haha what kind of tort are we dealing with here.......defamamtion? Is Andy telling you to run low octane gonna be a proximate cause negligence tort? Guess who else on the board is a law nerd. Ha if you love school you must not be a first year. | ||
| Melissa Nance (Roverchic) New Member Username: Roverchic Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2004 |
Matt: Not a first year ! I am a 2L... Got an internship for the summer and I am so stoked ! The rover and I are packing up and heading to Dallas, Texas for three months! Good point about Andy0826, that would be an excellent tort/case for negligence( 82 Octane?) leading to the destruction of my fuel filter, later my engine .ect ect. As far as defamation of character goes, slander would be most appropriate here.( I would have a substantial case against Johnny K... Punitive and Compensatory Damages...Notice how he tried to re-direct me to another site ?Some girly site?? I am not going to go away that easy!) And Sandman.. What makes me soo special? How many girls other than Jamie Puppy (WHO IS SOO COOL!!) .. Can change their own fan clutch? Mel | ||
| tomish lan para hindoola (Mca) New Member Username: Mca Post Number: 15 Registered: 02-2004 |
yup, no girly sites. they are detrimental to one's health. check it www.pirate4x4.com if you dare. so when is halloween? | ||
| Matt Anderson (Disco01) Senior Member Username: Disco01 Post Number: 312 Registered: 10-2003 |
Haha....that is funny. Congrats on the internship, I am working on that one myself. I want to stay around here in K-town and do it with one of the profs who is practicing. | ||
| Bruno Tome (Bruno_tome) Member Username: Bruno_tome Post Number: 72 Registered: 01-2004 |
'81 R65... SWEET ! BT. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 996 Registered: 05-2003 |
Melissa, If your going to Texas, you've gotta hook up with MikeyB!! | ||
| Ray Wallace (Rayd2) Member Username: Rayd2 Post Number: 43 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, I don't see your name as a member of Rovergirls (http://www.rovergirls.com/). Somehow I figured you would sort of enjoy those folk, especially Alyssa and Teri Ann Wakeman (former Santa Cruz hippie but really coooool lady these days) and a few of the others. They kick a** sometimes, but generally are really good on the trails. Ray |
