| Author | Message | ||
     Darren Weda (Dassa22) New Member Username: Dassa22 Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
im also looking at fitting a 2" body lift to my disco series 1. how hard is it? are there any things i should be looking out for, or is fairly straight forward. any info would be great | ||
| Matt (Doc175) Member Username: Doc175 Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2002 |
Forget the body lift and do it right with a suspension lift. | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 131 Registered: 06-2003 |
I installed a 2" Rovertym body lift.. The seatbelt frame mounts (thingys that secure seatbelt mounts to the frame) where a b*tch to get off!! Spray those down early with lube. You'll have to get your steering extended (aluminum welding required), Radiator mounts need to be raised, CDL shifter needs to be extended...The Rovertym kit comes with everything and helpful service! I'd recommend it with a 2" suspension lift... Watch carfully when jacking up the body, and lift one side at a time. Take some photos of your install if you can and post in the tech section.. I didn't have a camera at the time.. | ||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 756 Registered: 07-2002 |
Why? Why not spend less time and money and put the whole thing up, not just the body? Buy any size lift you want here: www.northwestparts.com | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 132 Registered: 06-2003 |
YEAH If I had the quid I'd go for the NWP 5inch "thats the ticket!".. but you'll need alot more if you go with 3inch or more suspension lift... Andy at NWP will fill you in.. You'll need brake lines, roto-flex to U-joint conversion, and front drive shaft ( contact Great Basin for the front driveshaft) The roto-flex will most likey be alright but wear out much quicker.... and depending on your tire size there could be more.. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 282 Registered: 02-2003 |
Guys, Don�t confuse "lift" (i.e. tire clearance) with "Performance Suspension" (i.e. suspension modifications). IMHO, a suspension modification is to answer better load capacity, performance and durability for offroad, and as an AFTERMATH, you usually get a "lift". However, if you want more CLEARANCE, you should either do a body lift and/or flare installation, since both these are a. cheaper, b. easier on the drivetrain, and c. keep the COG lower hence giving you a far better performing truck, ANYWHERE. However, if you should do ONLY one, I'd suggest goign suspension, then body, then flares. Enjoy those "tippy" moments on 5" suspension lift!  | ||
| Will Tillery (Will) Senior Member Username: Will Post Number: 334 Registered: 11-2002 |
Darren, WE put one on in about 3.5 hrs minus the steering shaft which I had to take to a friend to reset. THe biggest pain was the seat belt tensioners. Spray all the body mounts and tensioners down with pb blaster the night before. The 2" body lift and 2" spring lift make a nice combination. | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 134 Registered: 06-2003 |
Here's some photos I have of what a body lift consists of... This picture is the seat belt retainers that connect the seatbelt floor mount to the frame. The left one is Rovertym.com's and the other is stock. These were a battle to get off!! The pins had seized and some needed to be cut out.  This is the mount that is attached to the under side of your rear floor.. I'm pointing to the pin from hell!! Some finnally came out with a lotta lube and coaxing...  This pic shows the modification to the steering. I took this to a local aluminum welder and had it done for $30 bucks. Basically You cut your steering shaft and slide a peice of aluminum tube over the gap and weld..  Last is a pic of the radiator mount raising thingys....  | ||
| Joseph DeLautre (Mudderducker) New Member Username: Mudderducker Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2004 |
I agree with using springs. I have done a body lift before another truck and did the springs on my D1 and was shocked at how easy an install they were. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 807 Registered: 11-2002 |
Body lift is just a trashy cheap ass lift... Doing things right costs money , thats just the way it is... And Nadim , please enlighten us all with exactly how much COG benefit you get ? Seems you must know the math.... While you are at it please send some pics other then ditch hopping to reinforce your opinions of late... Thanks... Kyle "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 136 Registered: 06-2003 |
Micky's right once I added the lift and some aftermarket decals heads were turning like I was driving my Ferrari Enzo... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2002 |
YOu know , god damn. Nadim ? Where do you get this shit from ? IMHO, a suspension modification is to answer better load capacity, performance and durability for offroad, and as an AFTERMATH, you usually get a "lift". That would be the case if you bought springs with the same uninstalled height as stock with a heavier rate. But that isnt what people are installing is it ? Thats why they call it a "Lift". This lift can be obtained with any rate , including a lighter rate then the truck came with. YOU might not want it , but you can get it... "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 810 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nevermind Mickey , I just looked at your profile pic..... That says it all...... LOL I think Nadim has you beat... "Blow me" | ||
| DW (Dcw) New Member Username: Dcw Post Number: 21 Registered: 01-2004 |
My .02 I put a 2� suspension lift and a 1� BL along with a 1� MM lift on my Wrangler. This allowed me to fit 33s on the rig without all the expense of installing a SYE and upgrading driveshafts. But I did this mostly for looks, I just didn�t like the squatty look my jeep had stock. I haven�t really looked at the rover to see what would be involved in a BL, but I would say that IF the cost is minimal and the install is on the easier side then I�d consider a 1� BL. Any more than an inch looks cheesy and compromises the rig. IMHO | ||
| Chuck Stroud (Str0ud) New Member Username: Str0ud Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
Phil's got an Enzo ? Sweet Ass Sweet. | ||
| Joseph DeLautre (Mudderducker) New Member Username: Mudderducker Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2004 |
I don't think a 1" BL exists? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 812 Registered: 11-2002 |
YOu can make the 1" easy enough but it still throws everything off an inch.. One of the cheesiest things you could ever see is a transfer case shifter all sucked down into the console..... Bumpers not lining up and frame hanging down like some hill billy truck... "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 137 Registered: 06-2003 |
A body lift will lift the body off the frame including the wheel wells and fenders..so YES there will be more room for the tire to stuff into the wheel well and possibly lessen the ammount of trimming required, it did for me? (depending on the tire) The difference between a body lift and a suspension lift is that the frame is lifted with a suspension lift, but the drive train is not lifted with either a body lift or a suspension lift. (Thats done with tires) With a bodylift you can raise your truck without affecting the handling with stiffer springs. This can be helpful for people who want maximum articulation. What I mean is if you raise your truck 3inches with OME springs your using stiffer and taller springs which will require more force/weight to compress and get maximum articulation (great for heavy loaders and those huge ass heavy bumpers some guys have)... I think NorthWestParts and Rovertym (possibly others) have addressed this situation with springs that lift even taller but are not as stiff and allow maximum articulation with out needing the weight.. Anyway IMO a body lift works and works well. I always thought they look cheesy if you go to big but they do the job ... If anyone can tell me wats wrong with a body lift let er rip...besides the welfare jokes.. I hope I didn't go and offend anyone... I'd rather not get ragged out.. or have my crew goofed on... 81 | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 813 Registered: 11-2002 |
Phill we have seen a good many trucks setup the cheesy way here and we have sat and watched them fall by the wayside. How many things did you change when you installed the body lift ? You think these things will outlast the rest of the truck ? YOu think the truck will remain as solid ? I hear these people new to the 4x4 world yapping about what is right and what isnt constantly and it drive me insane. A body lift isnt anything new and it is just as cheesy now as it was on my V-8 Bronco 11 back in 87. The !! is still sitting there with the same poly lift blocks and its still looking just as cheesy as it always did... Boy it fit some big meats though. And your wheel opening is just the same size as it always was.. Tire is going in the same as it always did and will rub the same as it always did. Unless ofcourse you have jacked it up so high it hits the bump stop beforeit rubs... "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 138 Registered: 06-2003 |
I'm understanding the cheesy part..(but you can do things to get away from the bodylift look) As far as the things I changed when I installed the body lift and them out lasting the rest of the truck I'm not following you? What component of my body lift are you saying will fail? And with the wheel opening I imagine you mean the width of the wheel well? I agree wider/larger tires won't fit any better with a body lift but the wheel well will be higher? With my larger tires the truck rubbed large on the fenders and with the body lift they no longer do they slide right in... but they are narrow? | ||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 3076 Registered: 02-2002 |
Darren, The goal of a lift is to improve ground clearance by allowing taller tires to fit. On a Disco, 235/85R16 or 265/75R16 is easy enough to fit by simply swapping in 2" springs, and not messing around with a body lift. (there's a little more to it than that, but not much... adjusting bump-stops, trimming or fabbing brackets to keep the tires out of the body when stuffed...) To go any bigger than that, ie, 255/85R16, you have to do a LOT more, ie, 2' spring lift + 2" body lift + longer arms + a lot of hacking of the body. If you think you just have to have tires that size or bigger, then open up the wallet and fire up the sawzall. It's just truck-butchery and a waste of money. I'd suggest sticking with a 2" spring lift, go with the 235/85s, and learn to drive the truck that way, so that you don't have to fool with trying to fit taller tires than those.... FWIW.... -L | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 814 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well you changed the linkage on the shifter right ? Or did you just let it suck way down in there ? You canged the fan shroud and rad mounting ? You changed the steering shaft ? And if you think these things are mounted just as well as stock ? Then why didnt they use that type of mounitng system when they built the truck ? "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 815 Registered: 11-2002 |
HAd full sizes and the little one. Long beds , short beds , big blocks , small blocks.... All of it looks like shit when its body lifted.... "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 139 Registered: 06-2003 |
I extended the shifter simply by undoing the knob put on 2" adaptor and then the knob back on. (no linkage involved) The radiator only needed the two mounts on top (when I jacked the body nothing needed to be done to the rad)the rad slipped down out of the slots and I slipped the spacers in.) The steering was lengthened by a professional aluminum welder and I'm positive this won't fail and if it does It could be serious troble!! I don't think these are mounted the same as stock I do think they are mounted properly and seem durable... I've seen some shabby body lifts in my 20 yrs or so of wheeling and this is a quality product and the disco does not look anywhere near as cheesy with a body lift as a jeep or pick up..The frames tucked up more on a disco.. The bumpers do drop but I'm lucky and build my own.. Maybe I'm trying to say that even though I have a bodylift I'm cool will you all please accept me and my cheesy truck hahaha ...lol Just want to make sure I'm not missing something on this bodylift thing...I use to always point and laugh at body lifted trucks and now i got one... but i'm no beauty queen I have a gash in the side of my truck from a light roll over I call "marvelous" and people want me to fix her ?and my broke ass might have something to do with it? | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 140 Registered: 06-2003 |
Micky I can't stop laughing... "later that day...." | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1177 Registered: 05-2002 |
I wanna hear more about Phil's Enzo. | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 290 Registered: 02-2003 |
OK, here we go : 1. "who the fuck is Nadim?" The guy who is posting this message. 2. KVT's view on Body Lifts: I had a 4-5" suspension lift when I first started wheeling at 19 with 285lb/in LR Military springs and 2" spacers, Bilsteins and 32" TSL radials, all I can say is that the suspension set-up I have now is NOT due to economic decisions, but rather a better understanding (not "best", but "better") of my truck's dynamic performance. After 8 (EIGHT) suspension set-ups, I am glad to say that I have reached one that can accomodate the load capacity, mild lift, and off-the-shelf availability/cost that I think is best. So this is not my "first time" on this - not that I am the expert, but I have had my share of experience to which I generated my own conclusions (and a lot of reading on the subject). Everyone started with SOLELY suspension lifts to put larger tyres under their rig. Granted, the spring capacity was stronger, and the springs were taller, that is why you got a lift, however, going past 2-3" on a Rover would make you have a lot of issues such as DLs, Castor, links, etc... That is why, I modify the suspension on my truck to accomodate for the heavier bumper and load capacity and offroad strains, gaining a max of 3" lift with off-the-shelf OME springs that I know the company will not bankrupt and dissolve and be there for years on. After getting the "modification" they need, people usually go higher in the suspension for ONE MAIN REASON: fitting tires. That is where I believe (as many do here, on other boards, other countries, and manufacturers as well - RTE, RS...etc...) that the suspension "did its job" and should not be asked more of. Enter "fitting bigger tires" issue, which is where the BL comes into play, NOT because of the 215$ that RTE charges us (FWIW I have that kit by the way, and not a home-grown one), but because the issue is "fitting bigger tires" which the BL answers perfectly, no aftermath. Also, if you notice most of my posts addressing this issue (of fitting bigger tires and suspension mods) I usually say that there is a "winning formula" taht is 2-3" suspension, + 2" body + flares, and the total is a "FORMULA" that works great and can allow for 35" tires in a safe, sound, least maintenance manner (from the fitment standpoint). Do that with SOLELY a suspension lift and trimming, and you'll have issues far beyond anyones likings, AND you won't be able to fit offset wheels. Finally, as far as COG is concerned. As stated before, the SL lifts all the SPRUNG WEIGHT of the truck (research that if you do not know what it is ), however, the BL only lifts the Cab which is by FAR the lighter part of the unsprung weight, therefore affecting your COG far less that if you went with a SL of the same height. As far as teh flares go, they are very important to gain width, and that is where the "total" formula comes into play as you've: a. modified the suspension to cope with loads, strain, articulation, etc... b. lifted the body out of the way c. cut the body in a clean manner and widened it by ~2" each side d. allowing to fit more offset tires to gain width. The above formula is how you get the most clearance for fitting taller tires, widen the track, and keeping the heavy weights low, thereby getting a better COG that any other route on the same tires. Anyways, what do a LOT of qualified people like Simon Buck, Wayne Smith, John @ RTE, and many other Australian, American, European, etc...Challenge winning, DDing, and other aspects of LR offroading know about this set-up and BLs...right? KVT is the master! Thanks, but I like my set-up that I decided to use out of PERFORMANCE, EASE OF PURCHASE, and FUNCTION (if you guys think the BL makes it look ugly, then too bad...yours will look pretty with the 33" pizza cutters on the bottom on the hill...right?). It is NOT a "cheap" way to get tire clearance, its the RIGHT way after you have modified your suspension for performance, rather than clearance. Anyways, to each his own. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 816 Registered: 11-2002 |
Nadim , I am cracking up here. Again , you speak of COG and AGAIN (Using your cap thing here) you really have no idea how much if any is gained. If you are going to make the statement about COG atleast have something to back it. Then you go onto say that the butherey certain people have done to their trucks is the right way to go. You mention three names and I wonder if you have seen any of the trucks up close. You sound like a star struck child who reads too many magazines. As far as your statement at the end. Well , I think a 33" tired truck can cross the same ditches as you have and they can certainly climb the hills I see in your gallery.. Are you like 22 now ? "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 141 Registered: 06-2003 |
true true .. to each is his own! I'm following you Nadim... I was just concerned there had been problems or known failures with BL's and rovers.. As for the enzo... I have it stored at the ferrari dealer at the moment. They keep it right in the showroom for me... | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 292 Registered: 02-2003 |
Kyle, I am 25 now, and eventhough I have been wheeling for only 6 years, we go out every weekend, and tackle terrain that we don't need to get a licence for and so forth. It is far better than being a 50-year-old-one-year-4-day-trek cyber wheeler talking. Again, I said that this is from MY EXPEREINCE. Simple. Effective. And as far as the COG is concerned, nothing quantitative to back it up, however, the car is performing MUCH better now that my 4" of lift come from a combination of 2" SL and 2" BL rather than the previous 4" SL I had. Again, simple and effective means of testing things out. If you need to think twice to know that the cabin weighs less than it+chassis+drivetrain, then I guess I'll stop arguing now. I am certain you test out your bumper with kinetic physics and laser beams and so forth, riiiggghhhtttt... Star struck, huh? Well, unless Tyra Banks was driving, then, no, I am not and won't be, I just gave examples of trucks/owners that have won some of the toughest challenges with their trucks and have found the "better" way to go about it. Its my objective to compete in these challenges ASAP (when truck is finished) and hopefully add more so that I can do better and perform better. Excuse me that my objective is not along your lines of loading my truck for camping trips and cyber wheeling, and pushing my point of you rather than sharing it. A 33" tired truck WAS following me MOST of the time (Jihad Frem - recently added to the Photo Gallery) and he was not able to follow me, despite his equal, if not better, driving style. tell that to the Rock Crawling champs that they do not need the 37"s and now the 40"... Enjoy... | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 142 Registered: 06-2003 |
well after seeing Ken Pollacks truck in the gallery I have to say my truck will look cheesy not matter what now! Unless I do what he did..So if i was to recommend to someone what to do I'd say do what he did.. but I'm just a simple guy from the country who beats his disco on a daily basis through the bogs and tight trees and rivers of rural Ontario.. I have no money, live under a bridge and own a ferrari (lol) and if I could make a bodylift that would work from old shoe heels I probably would...just as long as it worked..lol .. maybe I am a hillbilly! I know I like wheeling with hill billys better then city slickers in there brand name flashy new parts... I always laugh when I see those big jeeps guys drowned in perfume, sporting brand new everything and they won't follow me in a disco cause they'll dent there shit for sure!! My favorite past time is pulling up beside new H2's rolling down the window and commenting on the nice ride and if they would like to go four wheeling right now...tee hee hee to tell you the truth most of em don't speak english... So I end up telling them they are leaking blicker fluid all over the road!! lol... i think I'll get some side pipes on the disco now..with those flamey things! anyhow I'm suppose to be workin ...both you guys have nice rigs (nadim/kyle) and I'm sure everyone has a good point... in the end I think its mostly personal preference... PEACE | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 817 Registered: 11-2002 |
No Phil , its mostly age...... If you actually took a poll here you would see that all the big bling trucks are owned by the younger crowd and are put together more for bling factor then for longevity... Making something look "Cool" and making something that gets the job done over and over and over again are two very different things... Kens truck wasnt the first to go that route. he just hacked and mounted the giant meats. http://www.discoweb.org/coilover/ I have the coil over setup if you want to buy it ? Nadim ? Maybe you want it so you can take that cheese off that Disco ? "Blow me" | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 293 Registered: 02-2003 |
Kyle, Coil overs are NOT reliable, OME is, and that is why I use them, and personnally I think my truck is ugly, but Form Follows Function, and it was not meant to be pretty, but USEFUL, over and over and over and over again, because every weekend, it does the job of crossing rivers, tackling snow, mud, rocks, and so forth... 25 is NOT "young", but then again, its all RELATIVE. Bling factor huh? Nice...did you get your bling hubs from GBR yet? | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 818 Registered: 11-2002 |
Actually no , I have my old battle scarred caps still... Yeah , 25 is young... You young beater guys love that "Form Follows Function" rap. It ussually follows them right into non existence or the for sale section... "Blow me" | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 819 Registered: 11-2002 |
But the "Rock Crawling champs " use the coil over Nadim....??? Whats the problem ? Have you tried them and know this to be true ? What in your experience is "Unreliable" about them ? "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 143 Registered: 06-2003 |
Kyle I get your points but this started with the 2" bodylift and you keep mentioning things like outlast the rest of the truck and longevity.. I'm wondering how my bodylift will fail? or not last? I have no experience with coil over lifts on Discos so I can't say if they are reliable or not, but I'm assuming some major modifications to your driveline would need to be made, and this I am trying to avoid. I'm in the market for another D1 and will probably just go with only a suspension lift we'll see.. BTW IMO you got some bling happening! just checked out your photo gallery where did you go in Canada? | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 294 Registered: 02-2003 |
YES, I have tried them on a desert buggy based on a 1973 VW Beetle my brother drove in the early 90s and I helped him work on it and build it. They work well on LIGHT trucks, and the reservoirs help cool stuff, but that's it. Coil overs are NOT for heavy, DDen, mud-type competition trucks. A UK entrant in 2002 RFC challenge in an Ibex found that out. That said, I have ordered a set of air shocks for a rock buggy I'll be building, but that is another story... I don't rap, fortunately I listen to better music and ABIDE by what I believe in, and if you DID know how my truck has evolved due to Form Follows Function, then you'd understand. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 821 Registered: 11-2002 |
Phil , when you start to add onto and extend things. They go beyond what they were designed for and simply dont last as long. Your steering angle has changed. You rad mounting is not what it was before the change. The seatbelt portions are longer and longer means more leverage. More leverage means weaker.. Enough to matter ? We shall see down the road I am sure... Nadim , so NO , you havnt had them on a truck and you dont know and cant make that statement. Again you quote what you see on TV. In fact , that statement was a bit silly....lol I would really like to see under that thing of yours. Get us some good pics would you ? Phil , it was in Ontario I dont like to post the exact locations... "Blow me" | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 981 Registered: 05-2003 |
From my observations, you guys are asking for trouble when you start messing around with proportions without having an overall game plan in place. When I was told that I needed to get my truck higher and change out the suspension, I did NOT want to do it because of all the problems that it would cause. Nor did I want to keep pouring endless cash down the drain trying to fix all the things that changes would bring on. I was ready to come unglued each time I was told: - it is going to take you awhile to get everything working properly together - you'll have to change out this and then we'll see what happens - it will be trial and error to see what will work and then go from there. I called Bill Burke and asked him if there was anyway that I could get everything working together from the get-go and avoid the section of "trying to get everything working together properly". He thought that was pretty darn funny, told me to trust him, that he would send me all the parts I needed to have installed, and it would all work. He also explained the importance to me of having a "plan" so that everything stayed within proportion and worked well together. He explained that in more detail, and you are now reading much of what was explained to me in Kyle's posts to this thread. Yeh, I followed the advice of the "old guys" and have been fortunate to have the parts on my truck that have been put to the test, and have been proven to be tried and true in the field. Besides avoiding the frustrating stage of getting things to work properly together, I spent 1/3rd of what some with similar trucks have spent, and some of them are still pouring out the cash trying to get them to work right. In my opinion, you are wasting your time trying to prove Kyle wrong. It's just not gonna happen. As far as the center of gravity issue goes, think of it as the imaginary point where an object would balance if suspended. Start imagining adding the weight of equipment ond gear to the suspended object and imagine keeping that weight balanced on the imaginery point. Now start imaging that object beginning to move - out of balance loading will make control more difficult and increase the stress load on the parts of the object as it is forced to move. The "math" is not going to make a bit of difference to the "old guys". They've been around long enough to know that "even if the the numbers are right on the money", it's gonna take the skill and the experience of hard knocks to get from point A to point B. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm way out of my comfort zone well before my truck it. Keeping the CG, weight and balance into consideration when I make changes just helps me feel safer within my comfort zone. Building things up the way that is tried and true helps to know that when I get scared, I can stop, get out, refuse to drive, and one of the "old guys" can take over to get my truck through the difficult sections. Way more important than that, I'd sure hate to be driving something "unknown" when they force me to push the boundaries of my comfort zone while they coach/spot/yell at me. Again, this is just my opinion. My post will probably just land me in the doghouse again - but, oh well... | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1303 Registered: 04-2003 |
nothing is more boorish than spelling it wrong dump this jackass | ||
| Aaron Richardet (Draaronr) Senior Member Username: Draaronr Post Number: 466 Registered: 09-2002 |
Gotta agree with Blue, Micky has been starting shit in the Range Rover section also. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 829 Registered: 11-2002 |
Micky who ? "Blow me" | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 144 Registered: 06-2003 |
Hey Darren your post really turned into something here eh, Not bad for your second one!! The BodyLift Suspension debate of the year! I'm not sure who spelled what wrong but I hope my spelling and punctuation are up to par..lol I'm not trying to change anyones mind just picking at them so I will be better educated in my older know it all years... Hey kyle if you don't like BL's how about those rubber spring stiffiners they sell at Wall-Mart, you just ram them into your coil springs and its an instant lift for under $30 bucks!! Says right on the box great for 4x4's!! ...... teeheehee PEACE | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 832 Registered: 11-2002 |
Phil , that aint funny. I have used them on more then one occasion..... Just dont do it any more"Blow me" | ||
| tomish lanpara (Mca) New Member Username: Mca Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2004 |
yup body lifts are aterrible thing to have | ||
| Big Ed (Sandman) Member Username: Sandman Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2004 |
My buddy's wife had a body lift...then she got some trimming done...and had some real nice bumpers put in...HELL - she turned out better looking than any of our rigs! Sandman is putting this tread to sleep now... | ||
| tomish lan para hindoola (Mca) New Member Username: Mca Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2004 |
alll this; how do you say "bickering" and no pictures of any body lifts? well i be a dammed fool. |
