| Author | Message | ||
     Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 984 Registered: 05-2003 |
My drivers side window is stuck in the down position. I was pushed the button for it to go down automatically, and when it reached the bottom is started thumping. It stopped thumping when I touched the switch in the opposite direction. Now it won't go up. If I push the down section again, it sounds like the window settles. Then I push up and there's just a clunk from inside the door. We've got heavy weather on our hands, which means I need to use my truck. I just checked the archives, didn't find anything. I've got truck pulled up under a slight overhang for the moment. I am going to go try to take the door apart to see if I can get a better look at it and fix it. Does anyone have any clue what the problem might be? Thanks in advance, Jamie | ||
| Will Cupp (W_cupp) Senior Member Username: W_cupp Post Number: 364 Registered: 07-2003 |
Regulator Pull off the door panel and rig up a new wheel on there. I used a fender washer the same size as the track and mounted it to the arm with a bolt. There is a coloum in the rech section to explain it in more detail, only he used a plastic washer of sorts | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 146 Registered: 06-2003 |
Jamie sounds like the window armature/regulator has become bent and either fallen out of the track or is just bending back and forth. Mine did the same thing. There are also small plastic bushin type wheel things that wear and/or break and this will cause the arm to fall off track.. You'll have to take the door panel off.. In case you don't know... start at the bottom when pulling out those plastic pins Pull carefull and straight those suckers break easy! I couldn't fix mine it was bent so bad because I kept pushing up and down listening to the sounds of it getting worse and worse!!Once your in there You should be able to get the window up at least... You might be able to straighten yours but it needs to be pretty straight to operate smoothly. | ||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Senior Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 647 Registered: 02-2003 |
While pressing the button, manually pull the window...it may come up.... Now go back inside, dry off and have a beer | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 985 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks for the input. Things have been busy here. Haven't been able to get to it yet. I just got a tarp rigged up over the door so I can now start trying to take it apart. It's still raining cats & dogs here!! Thanks again, Jamie | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Senior Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 262 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, I know how you feel. Mine went bad a couple of months ago in a really bad thunderstorm. Pulled up to a toll booth, lowered the window, and the damn thing would not go up. Drove 60 miles that way. I found that if I kept it at 60 mph, most of the rain would get blown past the window. Half of me got soaked though when I had to slow down on the side roads. It was a fun ride that night! | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 986 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks Jaime, It's not bad while I'm driving, but when it sits still well... it's pretty wet in there (must have needed a good cleaning maybe?) So, I've got the door off, all the screws are out, and didn't break any of those plastic clips. I can't see the glass. Is it behind the plastic? Thanks in advance, Jamie | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Senior Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 263 Registered: 05-2003 |
Yep, The plastic is the vapor barrier. Peel some off the bottom of the door, and roll it up. The glass is probably on the track at the bottom of the door. Reach through the hole and see if you can get under the track and push up, and hit the window up switch momentarily, You might get lucky, and the motor may 'catch' and at least get the window up enough that you can assit it manually from the top and get it all the way up. Then, leave it up until you can get it fixed. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 987 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ok, I will go try that. I just took pic if that is of any help. This is the driver door and the thumping is going on directly below the door handle - just behind the area where you can see the square of black tape. Thanks again, Jamie  | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 988 Registered: 05-2003 |
I owe you guys peanut butter and jelly sandwiches on the trail someday! Window is closed!!  I tried what you suggested, putting my hand under the glass and lifting it some while pushing the button. It would start moving maybe 1/8th of an inch then stop. It felt and sounded like it was hitting something that stopped movement. If you look at the pic below, I marked one of the openings with a blue arrow. I gently pressed forward on the glass there while pushing the button and it went right up. I'm wondering if maybe the glass has shifted and moved out of alignment? I left everything opened up as shown in the pic until the rain quits I can totally fix it. Depending on the weather, I will need to use my truck (maybe alot) before it gets put back together. Is it ok for me to leave it open like this?  When I got the plastic covering off, I saw that the inside of my doors are a mess. They're damp and there is 1/4" of mud lining the inside bottom of the door. I rested my snake lite in there to take a pic, does that look like rust to you? Or the start of rust? If it is, should I do anything to it?  One last question for the future. My truck doesn't fit in the garage because of roof rack. I know alot of you are in the same situation. This has been a pita when I have needed to work on my truck during rain. I tried something new and was able to get it in a few feet by wedging my truck in kind of sidewats angle as best I could. Then put the tarp up to keep work area dry as shown in pics below. Is there an easier way to accomplish rain repairs?. I know that is a dopey question, but if I don't ask, I'll neer know. Sometimes you have great solutions that I would never think of. What do you do when you need to work in the rain? Thanks again for your help. As you already know, I'm very grateful. I don't know what I'd do without you guys Jamie   | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 136 Registered: 05-2003 |
Remember the panels are aluminum - they don't rust. There are supposed to be drain holes in the bottom of the panel which are probably clogged by the mud. Take a hose a rinse it out. | ||
| sam (Dent) New Member Username: Dent Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2004 |
jamie, had the same problem but my window got stuck in the down position during a blizzard and i frooze my ass off and have about 5 cm of snow inside... if you look at the bottom of the window you should see 2 bolts that connect the window to the arm of the regulator.. make sure they are snug... also double check the tracks on the side of the door... as for the water and mud problems... if you look a the bottom of the door you should see some drain holes make sure that's not clogged up... you might want to stick your hand in the water and see if there's mud or crap the can be blocking the drain holes... on another note... the vapour barrier... is it just a sheet of plastic? i recently replaced my regulator and noticed there was not vapour barrier.. suspect the place i went into to get the window replace never put it back on... would i just cut the holes out where the need to be? take care sam | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Senior Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 264 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, Good to see you got as far as you did! Looks like you were up kinda late. I do most of my wheeling in the Pine Barrens of NJ, and I suspect the terrain is similar to yours in FL. Lots of sand, mud, and water. I think both our windows failed for the same reason. Sand and mud got into the window lift mechanism. In my case, the nylon roller was totally worn, and the regulator got somewhat bent due to the friction and stress form the motor. I now tape up the door drain holes before heading in to the Barrens, and make sure to remove it when I'm done. Its hard to explain how to fix it, but I suggest you look at it. Play with it by raising and lowering it a few inches with the switch. Look at it from various angles until you get an understanding of how the pieces are joined, how the rollers move on the track, etc. Then you should be able to spot the offending part. Hopefully, its something as simple as a roller jumping off the track due to sand. Let us know what you find. Oh, and as far as your garage situation, consider yourself lucky. My garage is so full of stuff that I can't even get the nose of the truck in. My last fixit projects of the past 2 weeks have been wheel bearings, brakes, and steering rods out in the driveway in anywhere from 20 to 30 degrees F. | ||
| John Roche (Jroc) Member Username: Jroc Post Number: 241 Registered: 08-2002 |
Jamie, Air down your tires to get the truck in the garage. I wouldn't want to do this everyday but in a bind it could work, depending on how close it comes to fitting with full air. Good Luck | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 1013 Registered: 02-2003 |
Don't know about that. I seem to remember having read somewhere that the D2 have more steel panels than the D1, and that D2 door skins are steel. Easy enough to find out, based on your love of stickers Jaime, I am going to go out on a limb and assume that you have plenty of refrigerator magnets too? Wherever a magnet sticks it's steel, where it don't it's aluminum. I am guessing that brown gunk is just residue left over from a water crossing, but since you have it open already, I would clean it out. It won't hurt to spray some anti-rust coating in there before you put the door together either, regardless off whether the doorskins are steel or aluminum, the inner door is steel for sure. And please post here after you do the magnet test, I am curious to know which parts are steel and which parts are aluminum, now. I am expecting the doors, hood and roof to be steel, and the rest aluminum. - Axel | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 443 Registered: 02-2002 |
My 2001 DII had steel door skins | ||
| Porter Mann (Porter) Member Username: Porter Post Number: 137 Registered: 05-2003 |
it is a DII isn't it - my bad. In that case, it might be rust. I would still rinse out all the mud and get those drain holes working. If your really zealous, then you can remove the rust with naval jelly (to get into the nooks and crannies) and then cover it with some paint like Axel recommended. | ||
| Dave_lucas (Dave_lucas) Senior Member Username: Dave_lucas Post Number: 444 Registered: 02-2002 |
"If your really zealous, then you can remove the rust with naval jelly (to get into the nooks and crannies) and then cover it with some paint" If it is a DII wouldn’t it still be covered by the corrosion warranty? I would think that the dealer would void future claims on the corrosion warranty if you start removing and adding paint. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy doing my own work and feel that I do a better job than the dealer would most of the time, but why not use the warranty you paid for | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) New Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2004 |
I somehow don't think that a dealer would touch that surface rust (at least judging by the picture). It would probably be smart to ask, but I'm sure they will say that it is nothing. Meaning either you wait until it is unarguably a problem and have them fix it (which it would then likely be out of warranty) or do some preventative maintenance. A catch-22 I guess. -justin | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 989 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks!! I stopped by dealership at the end of the day, they confirmed window regulator needs replaced. I was able to get it up just fine today when I press on the glass in the open panel. Wasn't too bad being out there today with no inner door!! I'm going to go back tomorrow afternoon and my tech will replace it and close it back up. He will also drill thru my winch bumper to attach the mounting hardware and my highlift jack. Bill Burke made the mountings for my truck so that I can get it off and on all my myself just like his. Of course I will still add Kyle's when he makes them for me. That will be totally awesome when I have help to get the jack up and down from the roof. Tech is also going to tighten my emergency break real good in case I were to lose my ABS before the recall part comes out. Sam, the vapour barrier - interesting thing about that is that it was covered in moisture drops. I'm wondering if they might trap too much moisture in there (our humidity is HIGH) preventing moisture from evaporating. Jaime, that makes sense. I may have contributed to it too b/c I have closed my winch controller line in my window a few times which put some sideways pressure on the glass. 20-30 degrees, yikes, that would be tuff!! John, that's a GREAT IDEA, I never even thought about that. I just might give that a try soon so I'll know if that will work when similar situations occur. Yep, Axel!! Magnets on my refrigerator!! I'll give that a try Dave, this is just the weirdest thing!! I'm under full warranty, yet have found myself doing the work that needs to be. The more confidence and knowledge that I gain, the more I don't want anyone else messing with my trucK Our weather has been a mess here, which has brought mucky conditions. As a side benefit of my duties, I drove thru a few awesome deep mud rutted trails. It was cool because I had to do it very slow and gently so the other vehicles would still be able to make it in and out after me. Rover rumble grumbled about that, but steadily crossed thru it. Another unexpected opportunity(??) had me going up rocks and also articulating thru a rocky area. They were slickery rocks (everything is slickery in all this tropical moisture sitting above us). Nothing extreme like you guys have and I was scared. I couldn't help but wonder if I will ever feel comfy climbing rocks. Especially since after tonight I have a tiny idea of what the big slick rocks will be like. That stuff is just darn scary!! Thanks again, Jamie Will report back with magnet test!! | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 1017 Registered: 02-2003 |
Actually, the Slickrock out west isn't slick at all. You get very good traction on it with rubber tires. The reason it's called Slickrock, is because back in the old days, the horses with their hard metal horseshoes (And I suppose any wagons with those steel rimmed wooden wheels, too), would slide all over it. - Axel | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 458 Registered: 08-2003 |
I have a low hanging garage to Jamie. Even if I took my rack off, it still wouldn't fit. Have you thought about putting up some kind of awning that extends way out with a set of poles? Maybe something that attaches to the roof of your garage, and extends out from there. I am seriosly thinking about doing that. That way you can keep the rain off, and the hot sun in the summer too. I don't know if they make something like this, but It wouldn't be too hard to make yourself. I'm just not quite sure what kind of material you could use, I don't think a tarp would last though. Matt  here you go... | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 992 Registered: 05-2003 |
Dear Teacher, I completed my homework assignment. As you will see, I didn't grab the most visible magnets off my frig on my way out the door. They blend in, so I circled them and/or put arrows to show them. There are 3 magnets: a silver star, a silver heart, and a miniature rectangular school chalkboard. As far as I could tell, they stuck to everything but the glass. My tech replaced my regulator and put the door back together. It is nice to have my "elbow rest" back again THANKS AGAIN everyone for your help so that I could get the window up in the monsoon rains!!     P.S. Thanks for the working in the rain ideas. I learned something from my experience. This morning I added this "gear" to my onboard equipment. I'm glad I learned my lesson in my driveway.  | ||
| Chris Nuzum (Cnuzum) Member Username: Cnuzum Post Number: 105 Registered: 02-2003 |
If you build some kind of Tarp or awning system. Definately use Sunbrella canvas, its breathable, waterproof, and has a 10year ( I think) fadeproof warranty. I have 3 boat covers made of it and its definately the best material out there for this kind of thing. | ||
| Matthew A. Barnes (Discoveryxd) Senior Member Username: Discoveryxd Post Number: 462 Registered: 08-2003 |
How much does that stuff run for Chris? | ||
| Axel Haakonsen (Axel) Moderator Username: Axel Post Number: 1021 Registered: 02-2003 |
Ok, so the door skin is steel. I thought so. Thanks for clearing that up. - Axel | ||
| Bazzle (Bazzle) Member Username: Bazzle Post Number: 98 Registered: 09-2003 |
The plastic layer will stop moisture getting into the door inner panel. The rusty colour is usually Rover applied goo from up the drain holes. Bazzle | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 993 Registered: 05-2003 |
That's one of those cheapy home depot plastic tarps, it was free today b/c it was doing nothing except sitting in a corner of my garage (one of those prepared for hurricane season items to have on hand) so I just rolled it up and added bunjies for when it is needed. | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 998 Registered: 05-2003 |
I think I might try taking the cases of my roof rack and airing down my tires to see if I can scooch in my garage. Wondering if anyone has similar set up with the same height, adventure rack, wheels, and tires that can guide me on feasablity. Before I added the adventure rack, I just fit into the garage door opening (sunroofs closed). I've got 265/75/R16 BFGs with 16" wheels on my truck. Any idea if I could let out enough air from the tires too fit? Any idea how much I would let to need out? If no one knows and I just try it, how low can I safely go on the psi without causing damage? Thanks in advance, Jamie | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1586 Registered: 11-2003 |
If you just barely fit without the adventure rack, then you can't let out enough are with the adventure rack to get in there is my guess. That rack adds like 7 to 10 inches to the height I think. | ||
| Joe B (Denverrover) Member Username: Denverrover Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2003 |
I agree with Greg I don't think that there is any way you will be able to let enough air out of the tires to clear the opening. Here is what you do...call construction company to get estimate on raising garage opening. Jamie you seem handy maybe you could do some construction of your own. It just seems if you have a garage with a nice level floor & like to work on your truck it is a shame to waste. Especially if you start doing things like brakes, changing all fluids; the amount of money you save may justify the garage project? Just a thought.... Joe | ||
| Phil (Discoanywhere) Member Username: Discoanywhere Post Number: 153 Registered: 06-2003 |
steel sucks eh? | ||
| Greg P. (Gparrish) Senior Member Username: Gparrish Post Number: 1587 Registered: 11-2003 |
"let out enough are " Ooops. Should say enough "air". gp | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 1001 Registered: 05-2003 |
Thanks, you just saved me lots of time and effort trying it. I checked on increasing the opening of my garage door several months ago. Because of the way our homes are built for hurricanes, it would cost apprx 10 grand in addition to a new garage door. I had to replace my garage door a few years ago when I accidently drove my saab through my old door on the way out of my garage. There are beams or tie downs or something right above the garage door, so my truck will have to stay in the driveway. At least no one has complained about my truck decorations Too much money, I'd have to sell my truck to pay for it Thanks again, Jamie | ||
| Ray Wallace (Rayd2) Member Username: Rayd2 Post Number: 42 Registered: 05-2003 |
Jamie, don't raise the roof, lower the floor. Dig out the garage entry and floor a bit, get a sump pump to get rid of the hurricane water, and you can get your favorite truck into your garage. Digging dirt and pouring concrete/laying asphalt is usually cheaper than raising the roof. Ray | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 1006 Registered: 05-2003 |
LOL, no can do, we live at sea level | ||
| Chris Nuzum (Cnuzum) Member Username: Cnuzum Post Number: 108 Registered: 02-2003 |
The sunbrella cover for my 13ft Boston Whaler was around $350. I think it comes in 3 foot wide sections. My parents have a ton of sunbrella awnings and covers on their Sea Ray, which was pretty expensive, but it's worth it. As an alternative, theres always that awning thing that unrolls off the side of your house (a commercial) for shade on your porch. No idea on price or name of product there. | ||
| Ray Wallace (Rayd2) Member Username: Rayd2 Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2003 |
Ok, Jamie, but you can do that when you move to Moab-- not a lot of ground water there unless you buy a place beside the Colorado River at water level. Ray | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) New Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2004 |
Ahhh!!! It dark and storming outside and I can't get my window up! Just happened to me as well... Just got it back up thank goodness. Jamie, how much was the regulator? Looks like I will be making a run back to the dealer... At least I'm luckier than my buddy... His has (and still is) been there for the past 4 weeks! thanks! -justin | ||
| Jamie (Rover_puppy) Senior Member Username: Rover_puppy Post Number: 1022 Registered: 05-2003 |
Free, covered under warranty. | ||
| Justin Kurosaki (Kurosaki) New Member Username: Kurosaki Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2004 |
Must be nice! ;) Found one at shop.landroverpartstore.com for $84 including shipping. Any better deals out there? | ||
| John S. Bleazard (Injun) New Member Username: Injun Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2003 |
Crap, mine just did it too. Thanks for starting the epidemic Jamie. |
