| Author | Message | ||
     John Brazelton (Florida_rover) New Member Username: Florida_rover Post Number: 25 Registered: 07-2003 |
I'm such a mud pussie now. I'm gun shy 'cause I sunk my Rover and had to call like 15 People to get me out. Can I put a winch on it without a winch bumper?>JB | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 42 Registered: 01-2004 |
I'm not sure who makes it, but my friend has a brush bar on his '99 DII with an XD9000i so it's possible. It does lower his ground clearance quite a bit though because the mount goes in front of then below the bumper to mount to the frame. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 389 Registered: 05-2003 |
I think this is the one you are talking about: http://www.roverconnection.com/Disco%202%20Acc/d2winch.htm But I think it's a POS...I initially thought I would get that too, but I have since learned it's 9000000x better to get a RTE slimline bumper. Don't feel bad about getting stuck. We've all done that. About a week before I put on my lift and winch my right rear tire fell into a deep ditch. I had told my sister I just wanted to test the HDC on a local trail. Luckily some "locals" showed up with a piece of rope and got me out. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 43 Registered: 01-2004 |
Jamil, That's what he's got. It came on the DII when he bought it. I've been trying to talk him into a new one to no avail. At least he's upgrading to OME shocks and springs and getting rid of those airbags in the rear of it. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 44 Registered: 01-2004 |
Wow, I just looked at the price of that POS. For that you can get good bumper up there. I got my ARB for $750. | ||
| John Brazelton (Florida_rover) New Member Username: Florida_rover Post Number: 26 Registered: 07-2003 |
I guess there's no way around the right way. Thanks for the options. ARB for $750? Where did you get it?>JB | ||
| Kevin Hans (Kmhans) Member Username: Kmhans Post Number: 41 Registered: 01-2004 |
John, that setup you are refering to that noone likes is the factory winch carrier. Fine if you only winch once in a while, but tends to move around a lot on harder pulls. The whole thing is designed to collapse on impact as it is DOT approved and crash tested. The RTE slimline bumper I think goes for 625 and is seriously built...I have the one with the additional A bar on it. Good luck | ||
| Jaime Crusellas (Jaime) Senior Member Username: Jaime Post Number: 273 Registered: 05-2003 |
IMO, forget the ARB, get a Rovertym. I have an ARB, and it sticks out in front way too much, so it lowers your approach angle. It also hangs lower than the Rovertym and is like a plow in deep mud. also, for as strong as it seems, it really isn't. It flexes quite easily. The Rovertym is a rock solid bumper. the only drawback is that because it is built close, and does not stick out too far, you will have to trim the plastic grille to fit the winch. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 45 Registered: 01-2004 |
I don't have any exposure to anything besides the ARB really but I like it. Yes it does stick out and down farther but with my lift and tires the approach angle is better than stock. I had it out in the mud Sat. and didn't have a problem with it(except forgetting to take the front license plate off and bending it). Yes it could be better but I knew it would work fine with my '03 DII and didn't want to trim my grill to fit a winch. I got it from British Pacific for $750, but if you can get the RTE for $625 I'd do that instead. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 393 Registered: 05-2003 |
Who cares about trimming the grill! It's cheap plastic anyway. Get the RTE and you will be happy. Here's a pic that shows my trimmed grill: http://www.pbase.com/image/26090105 and another one: http://www.pbase.com/image/21353088 Here's a pic of an ARB on a D2 for comparison: http://www.pbase.com/image/26090008 This guy has 3" lift and I have only 2", but as you can see I have much more clearance. Jamil | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2004 |
I care about trimming the grill. I agree, you have a much better approach angle. I like the ARB for a few reasons: as already mentioned the grill trimming, I can fit my stock driving lights, it's stout (not saying the RTE isn't), and I like the looks of it. That being said, the RTE is a sweet bumper and if I had it to do again I might not have gotten the ARB. | ||
| quentin charles neil ross (Qcnr) Member Username: Qcnr Post Number: 63 Registered: 10-2003 |
What about using something like the Warn multimount kit. This will enable you to keep your winch clean and serviceable, and having the option of mounting it front or rear... Just a thought... http://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-systems/multi_mount.shtml | ||
| Stephen Hawkins (Madmole) Member Username: Madmole Post Number: 46 Registered: 07-2003 |
Or fit a Bearmach Discrete mount that leaves the standard fender intact (well you need to trim the inside a little) I have a Warn M8000 on mine that works fine. OK its not as good as a full new Bumper but it means you look stock and also the scrotes in London cant steal the winch in 5 mins Check out http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/LandRover.htm Only shortcomings are that accessing the freespool lever isn't as easy and you cant keep a good eye on the "Lay" of the wire Pro's are its low, and inboard so it doesn't effect handling, it doesn't loose any approach angle (not that a stadard D2 has any) and it doesn't wipe out pedestrians Here's it being installed  and here its being used http://www.difflock.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?file=/1716/19408.jpg&type=image/jpeg | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 51 Registered: 02-2004 |
I just put a TJM on my D2...I think it looks alot better than the ARB, and if you leave the lower skid plate off, it has alot better approach angle than the ARB. My problem with Safarigard or Rovertyme bumpers on a D2 is how the profile of the truck looks so unbalanced.. You've got that great high approach angle, but it looks like you're dragging around the ass end.. Big approach angle with terrible rear departure angle does nothing for you in real world off roading. | ||
| Mike Rupp (Mike_rupp) Senior Member Username: Mike_rupp Post Number: 328 Registered: 02-2002 |
"Big approach angle with terrible rear departure angle does nothing for you in real world off roading." If that makes you feel better about your purchase, so be it. It is much easier to drag the rear over something than it is to push your way up something. | ||
| Victor (Vabiro) Member Username: Vabiro Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2003 |
John, Here is an article on the Discreet winch mount that DAP sells (www.dap-inc.com) and Stephen is referring to: http://www.disco2.com/howto/offroader/discreetwinch/ Also, if you do a search here on the term "Discreet winch" there was a thread on this topic in December. The consensus is there are trade-offs but some can be compensated for (i.e. visability to the spool: synthetic line). Victor | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 394 Registered: 05-2003 |
I agree about dragging your ass. I was wheeling with a p38 RR, he made it through, but I had to winch: http://www.pbase.com/image/21523575 But that's why you need to replace the rear bumper with a Greg Davis bumper: http://www.pbase.com/image/23098370 | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 49 Registered: 01-2004 |
Everyone has their own preference it seems. It's all really a matter of personal opinion and affordability. I happen to like the ARB for my rig but also think most of the other options (SG,RTE,TJM) perform great and look good as well. Time so start saving for the rear bumper after I get rocksliders. | ||
| Jay Raja (Jayr) New Member Username: Jayr Post Number: 10 Registered: 01-2004 |
The main issue with the ARB bumper seems to be reduced approach angle. Has anyone modified the ARB bumper for better approach angle? Maybe cut the bottom 2-3" and weld a plate to make it more slim? Any flex/strength issues with such modification? If anyone has done this, please post pictures and details on how to do this. I would really appreciate it and I am sure a lot of other members would be interested too. I also like the looks of the ARB bumper on my truck. It would be great if it can be modified to look like a slimline bumper. Thanks. Jay. | ||
| Jamil Abbasy (Jamooche) Senior Member Username: Jamooche Post Number: 395 Registered: 05-2003 |
Shane, that is pretty sweet how the new ARB lets you keep the LR fog lights. Your truck looks great. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 50 Registered: 01-2004 |
Thanks Jamil. The money has started to flow. Every time I upgrade something I want to do something else. | ||
| Dave Statler (Falconx84) New Member Username: Falconx84 Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2004 |
Instead of modifying the ARB to look like something else -- why not get the "something else"? or at least get a little more creative about it... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 52 Registered: 02-2004 |
Without a doubt, greg's rear bumper is the way to go if....you want to be married to your truck. Disco's have bad enough resale value without cutting the rear quarters. At that point, you'll have to be burried in it, or totally loose your ass if you ever get rid of it. | ||
| John Brazelton (Florida_rover) New Member Username: Florida_rover Post Number: 27 Registered: 07-2003 |
Man, thanks for all the great info. That RTE sounds like the way to go. Shane "but if you can get the RTE for $625 I'd do that instead" Where can I find one for$625? That's affordable. Thanks.>JB | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 51 Registered: 01-2004 |
Dave, If you've already got the ARB and there is a safe way of improving the approach angle why get something else? I'm not sure you could safely "trim" the ARB for a better angle though and still keep the strength. Shane | ||
| gordon german (Gordon) New Member Username: Gordon Post Number: 2 Registered: 02-2004 |
As a slight aside, one of the reasons for the ARB bar sticking out so far is so that if you actually hit something (eg a kangaroo) at speed, it doesn't total the front of your car. The close-fit bars are all very nice, but when you hit something hard (as I did), you're up for a new grille, bonnet, fender etc. All very pricey!! For this peace of mind, you lose a little in the approach angle - a fair swap IMHO. | ||
| Shane Lesteberg (Snwbord24) Member Username: Snwbord24 Post Number: 55 Registered: 01-2004 |
John, Kevin said he thinks the RTE goes for 625 in a post near the top. I have no idea where to get it. Shane | ||
| EricV (Bender2033) Senior Member Username: Bender2033 Post Number: 310 Registered: 08-2002 |
You can get the RTE from: http://www.rovertym.com | ||
| Gary Grey (All4s) New Member Username: All4s Post Number: 23 Registered: 08-2003 |
http://www.4wheelonline.com/lanrovbulbar.html arb $629 have fun | ||
| Gary Grey (All4s) New Member Username: All4s Post Number: 24 Registered: 08-2003 |
http://www.4wheelonline.com/lanrovbulbar.html arb $629 have fun |
