| Author | Message | ||
     Kevin Hans (Kmhans) Member Username: Kmhans Post Number: 53 Registered: 01-2004 |
Just wondering if anyone has run a front and rear Truetrac diffs in their rigs. Also, it seems that the install would be pretty straight forward, even for the novice. Is this an accurate assessment? Thanks | ||
| Rick Neff (Lostinboston) Senior Member Username: Lostinboston Post Number: 357 Registered: 06-2003 |
You would be much better with a Detroit inthe rear. same install and yes its fairly easy even for a novice. | ||
| Kevin Hans (Kmhans) Member Username: Kmhans Post Number: 55 Registered: 01-2004 |
Problem is, I drive my vehicle a lot in very snowy conditions (on road) in New England and I heard that the Detroit can cause some pretty unpredictable handling when it is slippery. Thats why I thought the LSD would be better for my application. I'd love to hear more of peoples experiences though! Thanks | ||
| J. Carlos Zaragoza (Carlosz) New Member Username: Carlosz Post Number: 5 Registered: 01-2004 |
Kevin, I own a 87 range rover wich comes with the 10 spline axles, last summer the spider gears in my rear axle seized on the spider pin, that caused a large amount of damage in it self at that momment. I was off road so in order to keep going I left my CDL engaged. as the vehicle moved, the broken gears caught the ring gear which in turn locked the drive train trashing both front axles and one cv joint. the total upgrade to 24 spline and lockers was astronomical $3000.00 plus just parts. I ended buying 2 true tracks and all the other parts for about $1300.00 . to date Im happy with the results, I offroad very frequently and on many occasions I am at the front of the group, many of my crossings are done in a gentle manner so as not to overstress the drive train, while my buddies use brute force to pass the very same obstacles. do dual tt's work? yes, when i get stuck I get stuck, it normally takes more than 3 trucks to get me free. I find TT's to be easy on the drive train. Are they for you or your application? speak with Bill at GREAT BASIN ROVERS. Carlosz | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 389 Registered: 12-2002 |
snows just a little bit in slc! dt/tt combo is fine on snow and icy road. experience talking, not e-mechanic rhetoric. if you are planning to wheel with the truck, you may want to consider the detroit in the rear, TT's don't completely lock up and can be frustrating. marc | ||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 425 Registered: 02-2003 |
Here we go again...Kevin, do a search, there are a lot threads about this. I'm running dual TT's and haven't had a problem in snow, ice, rock, mud, on road, off road...blah,blah,blah...it really depends on what your driving: D1 or D2? Can you lock your center diff? Bigger tires? As for axle's, even with the TT, I'd put HD's in the rear. As for the front, at least for a D2, no makes a heavy duty CV,yet...not as simple as just putting in TT's. | ||
| Shawn McKenzie (Shawn) Member Username: Shawn Post Number: 212 Registered: 10-2002 |
Kevin, Another point to consider: An automatic will 'hide' some of the adverse pavement manners of a Detroit. If you have a 5 speed, street manners are more of an issue with the Detroit. Selectable locker anyone? | ||
| Bazzle (Bazzle) Member Username: Bazzle Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2003 |
Selectable locker anyone? Yes Run ARB's Bazzle  | ||
| Nadim Samara (Discodino) Senior Member Username: Discodino Post Number: 301 Registered: 02-2003 |
Bazzle is right | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 58 Registered: 02-2004 |
Detroit lockers or tt's suck on side hill snow or mud...if you have a detroit and think this is BS....come wheel with us. I like to see people tear up their shit. | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 105 Registered: 03-2003 |
The great debate starts again. | ||
| Kevin Hans (Kmhans) Member Username: Kmhans Post Number: 57 Registered: 01-2004 |
Obviously folks have their favorites....All I'm looking for is a little advantage w/o spending a fortune. I am very familiar with left foot braking which I understand helps provide more torque to the truetrac to help it split the power. It seems that in really slick conditions, they will work similarly to open diffs unless there is some braking input....Am I totally off here? | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 391 Registered: 12-2002 |
kevin, D1 or D2 if D1, why don't you put a TT in the rear and run it for a while, if you decide you like it then put a TT up front. if you want a true lock, then put a DT in the rear and move your TT to the front. if D2, then TT is you only option, as the DT does not mesh with ETC very well. marc oh, and Lyman, why would i want to wheel in NY, when i've got Moab in by backyard. | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 736 Registered: 09-2002 |
"if you want a true lock, then put a DT in the rear and move your TT to the front" I think the TTs are different for front and rear. SC | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 392 Registered: 12-2002 |
nope, same parts, just different part#s. (part# refers to the rotation of the gear set) just flip the gear set, dadabing rear is now front. marc | ||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 1271 Registered: 05-2002 |
Now Marc - how in the hell do you know that? | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 892 Registered: 03-2002 |
marc: How is it that "DT" (assuming Detroit Locker) does not "mesh" well with ETC on the D2? | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 60 Registered: 02-2004 |
don't you ever get tired of all that rock out there in Moab? With all that traction, TT's would probably work fine. One thing's for sure...selectable lockers work in ALL situations. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 395 Registered: 12-2002 |
michael, by mesh i actually mean does not "compliment" the ETC well, the DT does not slip. but the TT will slip just enough so that the ETC will trigger braking. with ETC you don't need a true lock, because that's what the ETC replicates. lyman- get tired of the rocks? oh man , i'm guessin' you've never been to moab. a guy could spend a lifetime in moab and never run the same trail twice. and yes the traction is so great that the TT does work just fine. i won't argue with you about selectabale lockers being nice, in fact my favorite part about them is when you push that magic button and nothing happens. oh, and curtis, a little birdy told me. marc | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 106 Registered: 03-2003 |
the bearings are different front to rear. I have a DT/TT. I love the detroit in the rear for the disco I. The nice thing about the CDL is that under most conditions the power will be transfered to the front. Therefore not much locking from the rear unless the CDL is locked. If your rig is mostly a daily driver, the DT/TT combo is great. However I haven't been real happy with the TT offroad. I'm not too keen about riding the brake to get traction. I will be going with an ARB up front. I'm not real happy about the air system, but from what I understand, if it is installed properly there shouldn't be any problems. Basically, GET A DETROIT FOR THE REAR!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 61 Registered: 02-2004 |
Never been to Moab, thinking about driving my d90 (2200 miles)out this spring....ARB's are pretty simple in operation and design...really!...two years of abuse and still no air leaks... main problem people have is from lack of use and water contamination. They are actually pretty fool-proof to set up, as long as you're not doing a gearing change at the same time. p.s. ....I was kidding about all the rock.... Anyone with a Detroit experience very little locking action in reverse? What happens when you break an axle with a Detroit?... | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 893 Registered: 03-2002 |
LOL! Okay, thanks. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1415 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh yes... | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
If you break an axle, the diff will almost definately go with it. I have heard people say the ARB is indestructable. Don't believe that for a second. | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 108 Registered: 03-2003 |
O.K. Folks come on. Nothin' is great everywhere and in every situation, if so there wouldn't be other manufacturers making all this money off dozens of other products. Not even the holy ARB does it all all the time and there are weak points to each of them but telling Kevin that TT's in the rear won't help is flat out wrong. He just looking for some affordable trackion not a rock crawler. I just went wheelin' with a guy that had a limited slip in the rear of his jeep and there were other stock jeeps along and there was a no doubt he had an advantage. So, lets not tell kevin what we have but instead just answer the question! | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 62 Registered: 02-2004 |
ARB is good for 700+ Hp!....It takes 900Hp to break it on an axle tester. It also won't frag itself if an axle breaks....you might get an axle bit stuck in the diff, but with time you can pound it out. A detroit WILL destroy itself if an axle breaks due to the sudden loss of torque on the broken shaft. "The nice thing about the CDL is that under most conditions the power will be transfered to the front" what does this mean?.....these aren't subaru's.....50/50 mechanical split...i.e. LOCK. AND...no matter what anyone says....DETROITS don't work in reverse imediately after locking in forward....I didn't want to say this but....I'm forced to....DETROITS ARE MADE FOR MUD DRAGS....Nothing more. | ||
| Kevin Hans (Kmhans) Member Username: Kmhans Post Number: 58 Registered: 01-2004 |
Thanks Perry for putting it back in perspective. If I am not mistaken, the H1 uses a similarly designed Torsen unit which supplies an almost even power split to the wheels with some modulation of the brakes. I guess that is why I am asking. Not that I want an H1! | ||
| Perry Ray Miller (Discojunky) Member Username: Discojunky Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2003 |
I doubt there are many 700hp disco's out there shredding up detroit lockers. Just say you don't like em' and let it go at that. Your going to have a tough time convincing me that detriots don't work cause I use em' every weekend and I've had no problems out of mine. Most Land Rovers are lucky to see 190hp and have 33" or smaller and detroits can handle a lot more than than. I'm sure everyone is going to tell me of "one" that blew up but I'm sure the others have failed too. I mean come on this started out with a guy who wanted a little more off roading capabilty. Kevin, yes the TT's WILL help you just don't expect lockers. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 63 Registered: 02-2004 |
Holy crap....don't get me going on H1 lockers... the only way they work...and this is how the military taught it... was right foot flat on the floor and left foot to modulate speed. Granted this was a nomally aspirated diesel with about 150 Hp, but still...not much for tread lightly. OK...he actually said he was looking for more on-road traction for New England snowy roads... aggressive tires would be the first purchase... For practical on road applications....a locker is NOT needed. If you follow LR's recommendation...CDL "should" only be engaged in low range 1st or second on a manual...this is LR's disclaimer not mine. But, if you follow their recommendation...a rear TT with cdl unlocked will effectively make you force your vehicle to be one driving on the front wheel with the last ammount of traction. on-road hill climbs would work better unlocked with no tt. If you have mechanical sympathy, and know what you're doing, a rear TT d1 with diff locked will be marginally better at straight on-road hill climbs...but add side hill to the equation, and the ass end slides out imediately and dramatically down hill. You don't even have to wheel with me, just make it up my driveway....picture taken just for this post.  | ||
| Mark Devereux (Groupw) Member Username: Groupw Post Number: 132 Registered: 12-2002 |
I've had TT's front and rear in my D1 for well over a year and love them. Great roadability, absolutely no sidehill problems (like you get from detroits) even in deep snow, sand, and mud. Can't go everywhere the fully locked vehicles go, but the traction improvement over open diffs is very respectable. | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 109 Registered: 03-2003 |
Lyman, You have a beautiful home, but you don't know what you're talking about. I don't have an ARB so I'll drop that subject. However I've had a Detroit for two years and never had any problems with it acting unusual. When I said that the power usually goes to the front with the CDL unlocked, I meant in turning conditions (where many of the problems with lockers are found). I have never experienced the rear binding around turns. Sorry Perry, I know the guy just wants advice on what kind of traction to get and you're right, I just want him to know that there are no problems with the detroit on the road and the benefit offroad is tremendous. | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 396 Registered: 12-2002 |
steve, i'm curious how the bearings are different from front diff to the rear diff. same bearings, same timken #, same same.? lyman- yeah i know the ARBs' are really sweet, i'm just continually amazed at how split people can be with the locker issue. come out to moab, you won't regret it. i'd love to wheel with you, arb or not oh and Noe, curious, why was that post funny? am i missing something. marc | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 110 Registered: 03-2003 |
Marc, are you sure about the bearings? I could have sworn that I had to get two different sizes. I could be wrong. So you're saying that the third members are interchangeable? | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 111 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm not split on the lockers either. I think the ARB's and the Detroits are both great. I just hate for someone to say that the ARB is indestructable. | ||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Dweb Lounge Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 2586 Registered: 02-2002 |
You know, everytime I "think" I know what I want to install on the Pig; another one of these locker debates starts up. ARB Sucks, ARB is Good. DT Sucks, no DT rocks; but don't go in reverse. TT front and rear are not lockers. Yes they are. They suck. No they don't. Damn I am confused. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1416 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, ARB sucks. I'll buy your rear axle. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 886 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lyman , I have a detroit in a truck for right around 100K. I have also been these places you are just "Thinking" about going , up to and including CST2CST a few times with it. You sure you dont want to back up a notch on your ARB argument? Because Steve is dead on in his assesment of you and your post.. Oh , I have an ARB truck here as well so dont start telling me what I do and do not know of each system. Oh , and I have seen them fail at a drag strip in cars with much less then 900 hp. You ever been around a car that had anything close to that ? Ax had an ARB fan ride in his Disco that had a locker in it (George didnt know we had installed it) and he had no idea it was back there. I have installed many with no issues and none of the cliche "Detroit" bullshit you bring up about them. I like your posts but dont post a pic of your driveway man and challenge people... Its just,,,,, well,,,its just funny.... thats all... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 887 Registered: 11-2002 |
"come wheel with us. I like to see people tear up their shit." This is also kinda funny. Where you been man ? Give me the skinny on all the parts of the US that beast and your savvy have taken you? I wanna hear all the good ARB stories about snow in the rockies and mud in Utah.. Or some mud in California , maybe wet rocks and shit... I know you got the stories.. Hell , if you dont have em how about I tell mine ? Cause I damn sure got em. Just leave out the ARB part... | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 397 Registered: 12-2002 |
yeah steve, they are interchangable. same bearings (cup and cone)on pinion height, preload and carrier. and the same TT will work in both diffs, but the gear setup in the TT is flipped. and yeah: "I just hate for someone to say that the ARB is indestructable." i love these comments too. | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 112 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sorry dude, I guess I was wrong about the bearings. Explain to me why you "love these comments too"? | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 398 Registered: 12-2002 |
i think you're right on the money, both are nice (ie lockers) but everything breaks. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 888 Registered: 11-2002 |
Well I cant come up with any stories about having to work on a detroit. But I got several in several states and Canada of working on ARBs to get them working... | ||
| Michael Welker (Roc94) New Member Username: Roc94 Post Number: 9 Registered: 12-2003 |
So I'm thinking about beefing up my diffs, should I go with true track or detroit, any thoughts? | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 113 Registered: 03-2003 |
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| peppy (Chrisseries1) Member Username: Chrisseries1 Post Number: 100 Registered: 03-2004 |
get the detroit. IMHO | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 739 Registered: 09-2002 |
Marc, what do you mean by "the gear setup in the TT is flipped" to use a rear TT in the front? SC | ||
| marc olivares (Pugs) Senior Member Username: Pugs Post Number: 399 Registered: 12-2002 |
steve, within the guts of a TT are 2 sets of 3 worm type gears driven by a drive gear at each end. if you hold the TT with the ring gear flange side up (remove three bolts and cover) you'll see the three gears, if the gear screws up and clockwise, its a rear TT. on the opposite end of the TT, the gears will screw up and counterclockwise. pull these gears out and swap sides. the new gear pattern will be up and counterclockwise for the ring gear side and up and clockwise for the opposite (or carrier side). when flipping the gears, you also need to exchange the drive gear with their appropriate worn gears (again they are directional). that's it, sorry if the description is confusing, but it's really quite easy. right side goes to left side, left side to right. and if anyone questions this before doing it, please call Bill @ GBR or any one else who specializes in drive trains to verify, it's really all there is to it. marc | ||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 741 Registered: 09-2002 |
I get it now, I didn't know you were talking about the gears inside the TT. I was picturing somehow flipping the ring gear or whole TT over - couldn't get very far with that picture though SC | ||
| Michael Noe (Noee) Senior Member Username: Noee Post Number: 894 Registered: 03-2002 |
marc: I just don't buy into the mkt BS put out by LR about ETC, and I can tell you, I'm out with D1s with Detroits and ARB both, and I'm open-diffed, and ETC sucks more cases than not. IMO, ETC does not take the place of a locker, not even close. It has it's moments, but overall, it has short comings in most difficult offroad situations, especially those requiring a little momentum. Pair it up with dual TTs and let it do the braking for you, seems like it would be a good setup as a few have attested as differential wheel speed generally could be decreased so it wouldn't "work" as hard. Put a locker in and because ETC works on axles independently, measuring differential wheel speed, you should not get ?any? rear ETC action when locked. I'm not sure what the priority of the algorithm is, wheels first, then axles...Just the fact that I have to think about that kind of pisses me off and seems ridiculous. I'll find out soon, I'm going with the TT/DL combo, 4.11, HD axles. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2004 |
Wow....I've had detroits...not in a rover, but in a 76 Bronco with dana 60's front and rear.... Detroit breakage: 2 axles on 2 different occasions needing diff rebuild due to fragging itself. Breaking the axle was no big deal, breaking the carrier was. OK, since no one thinks I wheel, lets just use my driveway as an example. I wheel regularly with two trucks that have dual detroits, and one that has detroit rear, TT front....see the tree to the right of my driveway in the picture below? Every time they try to make the climb the ass end slides out and they end up right to the tree at the rear door handle. Locked my truck does the same thing, unlocked it walks straight and true...albeit with wheel spin.... Kyle, If you think I don't know what I'm doing....come wheel. Going out this weekend ....let me know. I'm not all talk. I don't see any invitations coming the other way here.....but I just got the SSR's balanced and I'm ready to roll..... arguably the best part of the house in the summer is across the road.... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2004 |
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| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 890 Registered: 11-2002 |
Thats pretty much what I thought Lyman. No one is saying that you dont take the truck off road. You just havnt done as much as some here. Had you put Axles in the truck when you out the detroit in you would not have had that issue.. Also , your tail wagging scenario is accurate if you cant drive and your truck isnt working. If the front is pulling then the ass wont go around. If you think a truck with a detroit in the rear and a TT in the front cant make that climb then you have really bumped your head. http://68.49.112.94/area53/2.jpg I had that picture taken some years ago just for use in these BS Detroit debates. The slope is leaning me towards that pretty large drop off and there was snow covered ice that I was running on. Yes I had to drive like there was an ice covered slope leaning me towards the edge but I didnt hesitate and I walked slowly on through. The trees on the drivers side kept me pretty close to it. The side slope argument for ARB is simply bullshit. If you cant drive , you cant drive.. When its open it will still slide if you aproach something wrong.... | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 891 Registered: 11-2002 |
And you are using your driveway again man , god damn....... | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2004 |
....Kyle, I'll give you the fact that I don't drive across the country to wheel....I don't have that much patients...I also have a pretty big investment in my own land. But I do run nearly every weekend both saturday and sunday. I even had some time, so I scouted for new trails on about 10 topo quads this week. I found a few possibilities to try once the snow melts and the ground dries up. The axle were dana 60's ..... And I think I can get the right line in my driveway after living here for 8 years! And, if the front is pulling, IT wil come around before the rear has a chance! The angle of the hill and the available traction, with the ammount of weight on the front equates to not putting alot of power to the ground. This is unbelievable! This is my practical everyday application that, under the current conditions, is a fool-proof test that shows the one of the faults of a Detroit. This isn't a one time fluke but my driveway! Hell, even the jeep guys are all switching to ARB's and Ox lockers here. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2004 |
I knew the driveway picture would piss you off!!! Cheers! I'm serious about wheeling...how about an Adirondack Extreame weekend? | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1392 Registered: 04-2003 |
shuddup Peter. The whale is not dead....it is being rebuilt, better than before. | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 115 Registered: 03-2003 |
Lyman, I still think that if you leave you CDL unlocked, you should have no problem with the ass end comming out on you going up your driveway. I don't know if you lock the CDL going up the driveway, but if you are, then you don't know how the LR works. | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1417 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue... that's what I wanted to hear | ||
| Blue (Blue) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Blue Post Number: 1395 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL | ||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Dweb Lounge Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 1729 Registered: 02-2003 |
LOL... so a long wait and unmatched springs, sweet. i'd have spent an extra few bucks and got the proper stuff now. rd | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2004 |
OK then....Tell me how CDL works.....please... this ought to be good. Actually, if you want come up and show me on the 1.6:1 t-case apart under my workbench. Perhaps you are thinking I'm talking about a traction control truck...I am not... I never said CDL was causing the back end to slide out...just rear locker. Are you trying to say lock the rear and leave cdl unlocked...sure the rear end wouldn't slide out...you'd also only make it about 15 feet up the driveway with one front wheel spinning like mad. We're talking rolled-in slippery snow with fresh snow on top....sure sand would fix it, but what would be the fun in that? Actually the detroit trucks having problems are jeeps....they have to be in 4wd to attempt the driveway...no such luxury as a center diff. No choice for them. | ||
| Steve Rupp (Steve_rupp) Member Username: Steve_rupp Post Number: 118 Registered: 03-2003 |
Maybe that's why the t-case is apart under your workbench I'm not trying to piss you off, although it seems that it is. I have a driveway very sililar to yours and we get a lot of snow out here too. I have never experienced the problems that you are talking about. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2004 |
I edited my last post...read the last line...no worries, pretty much can't piss me off. 1.6:1 t-case was a surprise....got a parts truck from the UK...put the t-case in my truck....now I was running 4000 rpm at 75mph....doh! | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 892 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lyman , a truck with an open diff will spin both wheels in the snow. Not constant , but it will if you arent driving it right. So it comes down to driving. Thats why they call it a DRIVEWAY , get it ???? I want every wheel on the thing I am driving to get some power to it. If that is what is happening then things dont slide around so much. If you jeep boys are having issues thats a damn shame. I would tell them not to let anyone know that they cant get into your driveway. Vehicle speed , wheel speed and throttle control are all we are talking about. If they are all lined up right then you will overcome.One gets out of whack and the others do too.. I cant believe I am having a convo about a god damned driveway. I also stray far away anything that has "Extreeme" in the title... So that aint happening.. So lets get back to the topic. If you cant admit that an ARB is not as reliable as a detroit there is no sense in continuing this convo with you. Its just silly to say that it is.. | ||
| Lyman Saltsman (Lyman) Member Username: Lyman Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2004 |
pretty much what i figured... excuses...ok...you name the event. Call it Poser Fest. I'm out. | ||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 893 Registered: 11-2002 |
LOL , Excuses ? Your ass has never left the state and I am running the shit you only read about in Magazines... "Events" are not where it happens and there is certainly not a damn thing "EXTREEEEEEEME" about them , well , there is ussually "Extreeme" stupidity... I will grant you that... "Pretty much what I figured" is that you will continue posting and really not going anywhere.. Its a Land Rover , not a tractor. The difference is that the tractor is meant to stay within the farms limits , the Land Rover in the right hands has no limits... (Including your driveway) | ||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 1420 Registered: 09-2002 |
Excuse me...? |
